GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
Gave the guy who is heading up linking GMRS repeaters together the bad news of pirated software. Let’s see how he takes it...
I guess this kid that I brought to his attention of the pirated software he is using and basing his whole network on, didn’t appreciate my efforts and he blocked me!!! GMRSlinked.com
On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:41 PM, John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> wrote:
Gave the guy who is heading up linking GMRS repeaters together the bad news of pirated software. Let’s see how he takes it...
Wait…what’s pirated? Can one pirate free and open source software? OK, so they can’t use the All Star Link infrastructure, but so what?
On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:41 PM, John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> wrote:
Gave the guy who is heading up linking GMRS repeaters together the bad news of pirated software. Let’s see how he takes it...
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I should clarify. Some might say that “printing” of free/GPL would be not honoring the GPL by not distributing/making source available with distribution packages. But I mean besides that.
On Feb 7, 2019, at 12:11 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Wait…what’s pirated? Can one pirate free and open source software? OK, so they can’t use the All Star Link infrastructure, but so what?
On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:41 PM, John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> wrote:
Gave the guy who is heading up linking GMRS repeaters together the bad news of pirated software. Let’s see how he takes it...
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Gave the guy who is heading up linking GMRS repeaters together the bad news of pirated software. Lets see how he takes it...
Pirated software is probably the least of his problems. § 95.1733 Prohibited GMRS uses. (8) Messages which are both conveyed by a wireline control link and transmitted by a GMRS station; --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On 2019-02-07 06:38, Jeff DePolo wrote:
Pirated software is probably the least of his problems.
§ 95.1733 Prohibited GMRS uses.
(8) Messages which are both conveyed by a wireline control link and transmitted by a GMRS station;
When the FCC last revisited the GMRS regulations, it expressly declined to clarify this and certain other provisions. There are arguably conflicts between this section and others that expressly authorize various forms of remote control. However, even reading the above-language to apply to things like traditional tone and DC remotes and their modern equivalents, a wireline link that merely coveys audio, such as to voter, could be found permissible so long as it can't/doesn't control the transmitter/repeater, especially if that is already under automatic control. It isn't my intent to start a legal debate about this -- just to point out that there is ambiguity that the FCC declined to address and that reasonable people can interpret the provision differently. KE6CD
Here is a MAJOR problem.... "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for activity BEFORE keying up! All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter. Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to disagree....but thats the way it is. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:45 AM <fwbray@mminternet.com> wrote:
On 2019-02-07 06:38, Jeff DePolo wrote:
Pirated software is probably the least of his problems.
§ 95.1733 Prohibited GMRS uses.
(8) Messages which are both conveyed by a wireline control link and transmitted by a GMRS station;
When the FCC last revisited the GMRS regulations, it expressly declined to clarify this and certain other provisions. There are arguably conflicts between this section and others that expressly authorize various forms of remote control.
However, even reading the above-language to apply to things like traditional tone and DC remotes and their modern equivalents, a wireline link that merely coveys audio, such as to voter, could be found permissible so long as it can't/doesn't control the transmitter/repeater, especially if that is already under automatic control.
It isn't my intent to start a legal debate about this -- just to point out that there is ambiguity that the FCC declined to address and that reasonable people can interpret the provision differently.
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Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio. The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement them. If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally. However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur radio systems. I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an Internet linked system if they thought it through. Unless you are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a calamity. KE6CD On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
Here is a MAJOR problem.... "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for activity BEFORE keying up! All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter. Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to disagree....but thats the way it is.
If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or landline or any part of the system touches a telco then the whole system is deemed illegal. All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com
On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray@mminternet.com wrote:
Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio.
The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement them. If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally. However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur radio systems.
I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an Internet linked system if they thought it through. Unless you are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a calamity.
KE6CD
On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
Here is a MAJOR problem.... "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for activity BEFORE keying up! All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter. Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to disagree....but thats the way it is.
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From what I remember, they didn't want you bypassing the long distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the radio connecting a local call to RF and terminating to another local call on the far end. Once IP network is involved, the underlying physical network architecture isn't relevant. Lots of outdated rules still on the books.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or landline or any part of the system touches a telco then the whole system is deemed illegal. All the best, John Heron561-334-6494jh0932@gmail.com> On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray@mminternet.com wrote:> > Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio.> > The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement them. If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally. However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur radio systems.> > I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an Internet linked system if they thought it through. Unless you are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a calamity.> > KE6CD> > > > > > >> On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:>> >> Here is a MAJOR problem....>> "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier>> squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend>> over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other>> local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully>> compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for>> activity BEFORE keying up!>> All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine>> to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter.>> Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's>> purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to>> disagree....but thats the way it is.> > > _______________________________________________> App_rpt-users mailing list> App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users> > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. _______________________________________________App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-usersTo unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot point since that is not regulated. On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616 <mitchmitchell1616@gmail.com wrote:
From what I remember, they didn't want you bypassing the long distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the radio connecting a local call to RF and terminating to another local call on the far end. Once IP network is involved, the underlying physical network architecture isn't relevant. Lots of outdated rules still on the books.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or landline or any part of the system touches a telco then the whole system is deemed illegal.
All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com
On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray@mminternet.com wrote:
Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio.
The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement them. If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally. However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur radio systems.
I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an Internet linked system if they thought it through. Unless you are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a calamity.
KE6CD
On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
Here is a MAJOR problem.... "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for activity BEFORE keying up! All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter. Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to disagree....but thats the way it is.
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Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the only thing that did change. If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in violation. All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com
On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv@gmail.com> wrote:
That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot point since that is not regulated.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616 <mitchmitchell1616@gmail.com wrote: From what I remember, they didn't want you bypassing the long distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the radio connecting a local call to RF and terminating to another local call on the far end. Once IP network is involved, the underlying physical network architecture isn't relevant. Lots of outdated rules still on the books.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or landline or any part of the system touches a telco then the whole system is deemed illegal.
All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com
On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray@mminternet.com wrote:
Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio.
The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement them. If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally. However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur radio systems.
I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an Internet linked system if they thought it through. Unless you are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a calamity.
KE6CD
On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
Here is a MAJOR problem.... "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for activity BEFORE keying up! All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter. Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to disagree....but thats the way it is.
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So its not just Ham radio where folks love to point out how much of their hobby is illegal. Never mind. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Heron Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:45 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the only thing that did change. If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in violation. All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv@gmail.com> wrote: That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot point since that is not regulated. On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616 <mitchmitchell1616@gmail.com wrote:
From what I remember, they didn't want you bypassing the long distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the radio connecting a local call to RF and terminating to another local call on the far end. Once IP network is involved, the underlying physical network architecture isn't relevant. Lots of outdated rules still on the books.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or landline or any part of the system touches a telco then the whole system is deemed illegal. All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com
On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray@mminternet.com wrote:
Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio.
The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement them. If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally. However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur radio systems.
I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an Internet linked system if they thought it through. Unless you are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a calamity.
KE6CD
On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
Here is a MAJOR problem.... "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for activity BEFORE keying up! All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter. Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to disagree....but thats the way it is.
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But please – cite a NAL where this has been the issue. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mitch Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:47 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP So its not just Ham radio where folks love to point out how much of their hobby is illegal. Never mind. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Heron Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:45 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the only thing that did change. If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in violation. All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv@gmail.com> wrote: That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot point since that is not regulated. On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616 <mitchmitchell1616@gmail.com wrote:
From what I remember, they didn't want you bypassing the long distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the radio connecting a local call to RF and terminating to another local call on the far end. Once IP network is involved, the underlying physical network architecture isn't relevant. Lots of outdated rules still on the books.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or landline or any part of the system touches a telco then the whole system is deemed illegal. All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com
On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray@mminternet.com wrote:
Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio.
The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement them. If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally. However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur radio systems.
I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an Internet linked system if they thought it through. Unless you are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a calamity.
KE6CD
On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
Here is a MAJOR problem.... "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for activity BEFORE keying up! All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter. Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to disagree....but thats the way it is.
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John, my internet is provided by a cable network.. No telco in sight, would it still be a violation? Le mar. 12 févr. 2019 à 21:45, John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> a écrit :
Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the only thing that did change.
If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in violation.
All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com
On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv@gmail.com> wrote:
That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot point since that is not regulated.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616 < mitchmitchell1616@gmail.com wrote:
From what I remember, they didn't want you bypassing the long distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the radio connecting a local call to RF and terminating to another local call on the far end. Once IP network is involved, the underlying physical network architecture isn't relevant. Lots of outdated rules still on the books.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: John Heron <jh0932@gmail.com> Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or landline or any part of the system touches a telco then the whole system is deemed illegal.
All the best, John Heron 561-334-6494 jh0932@gmail.com
On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray@mminternet.com wrote:
Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio.
The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement them. If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally. However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur radio systems.
I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an Internet linked system if they thought it through. Unless you are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a calamity.
KE6CD
On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
Here is a MAJOR problem.... "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for activity BEFORE keying up! All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter. Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to disagree....but thats the way it is.
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Pierre Martel