Technically possible?
I have searched high and low and yet haven't found much good information for what I'm about to ask. I hope this mail list might help with that. I'm about to dive into AllStar and all its associated parts. BUT, I'd like to know if what I'm thinking makes sense, and that there isn't a more preferred way of doing it? I have a wide area coverage (for Atlanta anyway) 440 ham repeater, it's currently a Master II converted. I'm about to replace it with an NXDN Icom 440 repeater (digital, but it will continue to run in mixed mode as well). I'd like to be able to connect it to AllStar, or other VOIP services (yes, like IRLP, maybe Echo, and who knows maybe someday D-Star). Now don't get all excited, I'm not about to think that I can do that *digitally*. All audio will be analog either decoded or about to be encoded. Secondly, I'd like to *remote* all the services to my house and host them from there, instead of at the repeater site. It does have internet, but it's remote, not readily accessible, etc. So, is the following feasible, desired, are the better ways to do what I'm thinking? a) take the analog audio input/output at the repeater and put it into either a URI with a fanless PC install of AllStar, or a PicoNode with Pickle and LOX. b) put the other services (ala, IRLP, Echo, etc) at my house with a dedicated PC setup with URI's and another install of AllStar (ok, Asterisk and it's associated radio parts) c) connect all that together with IP and the appropriate setups to allow links to be created, torn down. NOTE: I didn't say anything about any form of *external controller*, other than the Unix boxes and their AllStar installs. I'm hoping I won't need one and will just use the NXDN repeater and its internal controller for what is needed at the repeater. If I did the above, what issues will occur when you link the repeater to oh say IRLP via an IP connection between two AllStar nodes? Will there be any issues with DTMF, tail crashes, courtesy tones, etc. Either not being there or being there when they shouldn't be? Lastly is it possible to add a simplex radio to the home node such that it will connect me to the repeater, or other services (again over and IP link)? Sheesh, I get confused just trying to explain this.. I've looked all over to try and find some similar examples of this, I'm sure they exist, but it appears that either I'm not entering the right Google search phrases or they aren't too well documented. Any help, advice, steering, etc welcome. Thanks, Alan
Hi Alan; A mixed mode FM / D-STAR repeater is quite feasible! - if you connect to Allstar node 2200 you will be cross-connected to D-STAR reflector XRF005A. The FREE STAR* team offers a solution, where you can leverage an existing app_rpt installation and add an open source D-STAR (FREE STAR*) solution on top. You can use a separate sound fob or GMSK modem board, etc., then with an external multiplexer switch between DV and FM mode into a common (true FM) repeater. Please contact me off-list for further info. Thanks to Jim, Steve and others for providing a superb FM platform! Cheers, Ramesh. On 11/05/2012 9:04 PM, Alan Adamson wrote:
I have searched high and low and yet haven't found much good information for what I'm about to ask. I hope this mail list might help with that.
I'm about to dive into AllStar and allitsassociated parts. BUT, I'd like to knowifwhatI'mthinkingmakessense, and that there isn't a more preferred way of doing it?
I have a wide area coverage (for Atlanta anyway) 440 ham repeater, it's currently a Master II converted. I'm about to replace it with an NXDN Icom 440 repeater (digital, but it will continue to run in mixed mode as well). I'd like to be able to connect it to AllStar, or other VOIP services (yes, like IRLP, maybe Echo, andwhoknows maybe someday D-Star).
Now don't get all excited, I'm not about to think that I can do that *digitally*.All audio will be analog either decoded or about to be encoded.
Secondly, I'd like to *remote* all the services to my house and host them from there, instead of at the repeater site. It does have internet, but it's remote, not readilyaccessible, etc.
So, is the following feasible, desired, are the better ways to do what I'm thinking?
a) take the analog audio input/output at the repeater and put it into either a URI with a fanless PC install of AllStar, or a PicoNode with Pickle and LOX.
b) put the other services (ala, IRLP, Echo, etc) at my house with a dedicated PC setup with URI's and another install of AllStar (ok, Asterisk and it'sassociatedradio parts)
c) connect all that together with IP and the appropriate setups to allow links to be created, torn down.
NOTE:I didn't say anything about any form of *external controller*, other than the Unix boxes and their AllStar installs. I’m hoping I won't need one and will just use the NXDN repeater anditsinternal controller for what is needed at the repeater.
If I did the above, what issues will occur when you link the repeater to oh say IRLP via an IP connection between two AllStar nodes? Will there be any issues with DTMF, tail crashes, courtesy tones, etc.Either not being there or being there when they shouldn't be?
Lastly is itpossible to add a simplex radio to the home node such that it will connect me to the repeater, or other services(again over and IP link)?
Sheesh, I get confused just trying to explain this…. I've looked all over to try and find some similar examples of this, I'm sure they exist, but it appears that either I'm not entering the right Google search phrases or they aren't too well documented.
Any help, advice, steering, etc welcome…
Thanks,
Alan
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On 5/11/2012 9:04 PM, Alan Adamson wrote:
I have searched high and low and yet haven't found much good information for what I'm about to ask. I hope this mail list might help with that.
I'm about to dive into AllStar and all its associated parts. BUT, I'd like to know if what I'm thinking makes sense, and that there isn't a more preferred way of doing it?
I have a wide area coverage (for Atlanta anyway) 440 ham repeater, it's currently a Master II converted. I'm about to replace it with an NXDN Icom 440 repeater (digital, but it will continue to run in mixed mode as well). I'd like to be able to connect it to AllStar, or other VOIP services (yes, like IRLP, maybe Echo, and who knows maybe someday D-Star).
Forget about IRLP if you have systems linked; Dave Cameron had Jim take the code out of app_rpt to cross-link over 18 months ago because *he* decides how you will use his software. Echolink works fine, and there's some work that's been done with interfacing the Icom D* borg.
Now don't get all excited, I'm not about to think that I can do that *digitally*. All audio will be analog either decoded or about to be encoded.
Secondly, I'd like to *remote* all the services to my house and host them from there, instead of at the repeater site. It does have internet, but it's remote, not readily accessible, etc.
Use a solid state disk-enabled computer. You can get into it over the net, and, if you put in an IP-enabled power strip and do some script coding, you can do almost anything remotely that you can do standing in front of the machine. Yeah, you have to be there to install it, but, there are ways to make it almost not necessary to actually have to touch the thing. (For instance, I can control the power, hard reset my computer, turn on fans, change linking, and all that via the net, through an IAX-enabled smartphone app or over the air...)
So, is the following feasible, desired, are the better ways to do what I'm thinking?
a) take the analog audio input/output at the repeater and put it into either a URI with a fanless PC install of AllStar, or a PicoNode with Pickle and LOX.
Fanless PC with solid state disk.
b) put the other services (ala, IRLP, Echo, etc) at my house with a dedicated PC setup with URI's and another install of AllStar (ok, Asterisk and it's associated radio parts)
You can do that. Build a hub node into both remote and home site, and link the two hubs together. Remote radios link to the local (remote) hub, and then link back to your home-located hub where you have the other services. That way, if you loose connectivity, your remote site will still work, (you'll loose the echolink, but, to be honest, I don't worry about echo; it's there, but even in the NY/PHL area, it's more of a nuisance than not.)
NOTE: I didn't say anything about any form of *external controller*, other than the Unix boxes and their AllStar installs. I'm hoping I won't need one and will just use the NXDN repeater and its internal controller for what is needed at the repeater.
as long as the controller has a second port that can be enabled as a repeat port, that would get hooked to a URI (or, if you are handy and have the patience to modify a CM108 sound card; personally, I just buy the darn think from DMK and be done with it. My eyes aren't good enough anymore to fiddle with SMT components); the allstar computer would be seen as just another radio, and the controller would be seen by allstar as just another radio. Don't get too detailed, it's really not that complicated.
If I did the above, what issues will occur when you link the repeater to oh say IRLP via an IP connection between two AllStar nodes? Will there be any issues with DTMF, tail crashes, courtesy tones, etc. Either not being there or being there when they shouldn't be?
Well...see above, you won't be using IRLP. Remember, the system, at it's core, is an IP PBX. If you approach it from that standpoint, you'll soon figure out the easiest way. Just loose the thought of using IRLP. Asterisk, in and of itself, handles node-to-node and node-to-hub communications (with a LOT better audio quality than IRLP) itself. DTMF is not normally propagated across the network for obvious reasons, but there are command sequences that you can use to perform functions across the network. It's really not an issue (for instance, remotely connecting one node to another, disconnecting a node remotely, etc.). As for tail crashes, courtesy tones, etc., the former are a function of how you configure the radio interfaces, etc., most of us use two courtesy tones: one for local origination, a second for networked system origination (ie depends on where the keying signal comes from...either the local radio on the controller or a radio somewhere in the network determines what courtesy tone is sent...).
Lastly is it possible to add a simplex radio to the home node such that it will connect me to the repeater, or other services (again over and IP link)?
Possible. Just set up a node as a simplex node, link it into the home hub, and away you go.
Suggestion: don't overthink it. Start with the basics, get them working, then extend it as you gain experience. If you do something that doesn't seem to work the way you want, back it out to where it did work, then re-examine what you're doing. Bryan WB0YLE http://www.wb0yle.com njpaasterisk.org
The sky seems to be the limit with Allstar. As of about a day ago I've tied MotoTRBO into a Limey Linux node and cross connected it to my two analog repeaters. I don't think theres anything it can't do except make you dinner. 73 de K0JSC ________________________________ From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Alan Adamson Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 7:05 PM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Technically possible? I have searched high and low and yet haven't found much good information for what I'm about to ask. I hope this mail list might help with that. I'm about to dive into AllStar and all its associated parts. BUT, I'd like to know if what I'm thinking makes sense, and that there isn't a more preferred way of doing it? I have a wide area coverage (for Atlanta anyway) 440 ham repeater, it's currently a Master II converted. I'm about to replace it with an NXDN Icom 440 repeater (digital, but it will continue to run in mixed mode as well). I'd like to be able to connect it to AllStar, or other VOIP services (yes, like IRLP, maybe Echo, and who knows maybe someday D-Star). Now don't get all excited, I'm not about to think that I can do that *digitally*. All audio will be analog either decoded or about to be encoded. Secondly, I'd like to *remote* all the services to my house and host them from there, instead of at the repeater site. It does have internet, but it's remote, not readily accessible, etc. So, is the following feasible, desired, are the better ways to do what I'm thinking? a) take the analog audio input/output at the repeater and put it into either a URI with a fanless PC install of AllStar, or a PicoNode with Pickle and LOX. b) put the other services (ala, IRLP, Echo, etc) at my house with a dedicated PC setup with URI's and another install of AllStar (ok, Asterisk and it's associated radio parts) c) connect all that together with IP and the appropriate setups to allow links to be created, torn down. NOTE: I didn't say anything about any form of *external controller*, other than the Unix boxes and their AllStar installs. I'm hoping I won't need one and will just use the NXDN repeater and its internal controller for what is needed at the repeater. If I did the above, what issues will occur when you link the repeater to oh say IRLP via an IP connection between two AllStar nodes? Will there be any issues with DTMF, tail crashes, courtesy tones, etc. Either not being there or being there when they shouldn't be? Lastly is it possible to add a simplex radio to the home node such that it will connect me to the repeater, or other services (again over and IP link)? Sheesh, I get confused just trying to explain this.... I've looked all over to try and find some similar examples of this, I'm sure they exist, but it appears that either I'm not entering the right Google search phrases or they aren't too well documented. Any help, advice, steering, etc welcome... Thanks, Alan
Thanks, but I'm not exactly sure that your statement is 100% accurate... Both Limey (Steve WA6ZFT) , myself and many others involved in the project and related things can all attest to the fact that many, many dinners have been generated as a result of Allstar/Limey Linux :-) Jim WB6NIL Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 09:52:00 -0600 From: jeff.carrier@rmsmsecurity.com To: adamson_alan@hotmail.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Technically possible? Technically possible? The sky seems to be the limit with Allstar. As of about a day ago I’ve tied MotoTRBO into a Limey Linux node and cross connected it to my two analog repeaters. I don’t think theres anything it can’t do except make you dinner. 73 de K0JSC From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Alan Adamson Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 7:05 PM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Technically possible? I have searched high and low and yet haven't found much good information for what I'm about to ask. I hope this mail list might help with that. I'm about to dive into AllStar and all its associated parts. BUT, I'd like to know if what I'm thinking makes sense, and that there isn't a more preferred way of doing it? I have a wide area coverage (for Atlanta anyway) 440 ham repeater, it's currently a Master II converted. I'm about to replace it with an NXDN Icom 440 repeater (digital, but it will continue to run in mixed mode as well). I'd like to be able to connect it to AllStar, or other VOIP services (yes, like IRLP, maybe Echo, and who knows maybe someday D-Star). Now don't get all excited, I'm not about to think that I can do that *digitally*. All audio will be analog either decoded or about to be encoded. Secondly, I'd like to *remote* all the services to my house and host them from there, instead of at the repeater site. It does have internet, but it's remote, not readily accessible, etc. So, is the following feasible, desired, are the better ways to do what I'm thinking? a) take the analog audio input/output at the repeater and put it into either a URI with a fanless PC install of AllStar, or a PicoNode with Pickle and LOX. b) put the other services (ala, IRLP, Echo, etc) at my house with a dedicated PC setup with URI's and another install of AllStar (ok, Asterisk and it's associated radio parts) c) connect all that together with IP and the appropriate setups to allow links to be created, torn down. NOTE: I didn't say anything about any form of *external controller*, other than the Unix boxes and their AllStar installs. I’m hoping I won't need one and will just use the NXDN repeater and its internal controller for what is needed at the repeater. If I did the above, what issues will occur when you link the repeater to oh say IRLP via an IP connection between two AllStar nodes? Will there be any issues with DTMF, tail crashes, courtesy tones, etc. Either not being there or being there when they shouldn't be? Lastly is it possible to add a simplex radio to the home node such that it will connect me to the repeater, or other services (again over and IP link)? Sheesh, I get confused just trying to explain this…. I've looked all over to try and find some similar examples of this, I'm sure they exist, but it appears that either I'm not entering the right Google search phrases or they aren't too well documented. Any help, advice, steering, etc welcome… Thanks, Alan _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
try doing that with some of the hardware-bound old technology...:) (i even have a cast-off, yet restored Broadcast Electronics radio studio console hooked up to a URI so i can occasionally run a net from a more familiar control surface...:)) -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone please forgive misspellings... On May 13, 2012, at 11:52, "Jeffrey S. Carrier" <jeff.carrier@rmsmsecurity.com.bdboyle.com> wrote:
The sky seems to be the limit with Allstar. As of about a day ago I’ve tied MotoTRBO into a Limey Linux node and cross connected it to my two analog repeaters. I don’t think theres anything it can’t do except make you dinner.
73 de K0JSC
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Alan Adamson Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 7:05 PM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Technically possible?
I have searched high and low and yet haven't found much good information for what I'm about to ask. I hope this mail list might help with that.
I'm about to dive into AllStar and all its associated parts. BUT, I'd like to know if what I'm thinking makes sense, and that there isn't a more preferred way of doing it?
I have a wide area coverage (for Atlanta anyway) 440 ham repeater, it's currently a Master II converted. I'm about to replace it with an NXDN Icom 440 repeater (digital, but it will continue to run in mixed mode as well). I'd like to be able to connect it to AllStar, or other VOIP services (yes, like IRLP, maybe Echo, and who knows maybe someday D-Star).
Now don't get all excited, I'm not about to think that I can do that *digitally*. All audio will be analog either decoded or about to be encoded.
Secondly, I'd like to *remote* all the services to my house and host them from there, instead of at the repeater site. It does have internet, but it's remote, not readily accessible, etc.
So, is the following feasible, desired, are the better ways to do what I'm thinking?
a) take the analog audio input/output at the repeater and put it into either a URI with a fanless PC install of AllStar, or a PicoNode with Pickle and LOX.
b) put the other services (ala, IRLP, Echo, etc) at my house with a dedicated PC setup with URI's and another install of AllStar (ok, Asterisk and it's associated radio parts)
c) connect all that together with IP and the appropriate setups to allow links to be created, torn down.
NOTE: I didn't say anything about any form of *external controller*, other than the Unix boxes and their AllStar installs. I’m hoping I won't need one and will just use the NXDN repeater and its internal controller for what is needed at the repeater.
If I did the above, what issues will occur when you link the repeater to oh say IRLP via an IP connection between two AllStar nodes? Will there be any issues with DTMF, tail crashes, courtesy tones, etc. Either not being there or being there when they shouldn't be?
Lastly is it possible to add a simplex radio to the home node such that it will connect me to the repeater, or other services (again over and IP link)?
Sheesh, I get confused just trying to explain this…. I've looked all over to try and find some similar examples of this, I'm sure they exist, but it appears that either I'm not entering the right Google search phrases or they aren't too well documented.
Any help, advice, steering, etc welcome…
Thanks,
Alan
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Alan Adamson -
Bryan D. Boyle -
Jeffrey S. Carrier -
Jim Duuuude -
Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV)