[App_rpt] Asterisk segfaults after installation
Steve,
I look forward to a logic answer as to why EVB and ACID are being
basically forced, and why nobody writes a simple howto or script to get
Asterisk, libpri, Zaptel/DAHDI from Digium's servers, and build from
source.
Instead of complaining about this, why don't you do all the work and write the scripts for the HAM community. Be a solution to the problem, not the cause. Everyone always wants to complain, but no one ever wants to take the time to help out of fix problems. Lots of folks have put a ton of time and personal money into this project and have been nice enough to share this work with the HAM community and not ask for monetary compensation. Don't complain about something you get for FREE! Like the old saying goes, "If you see something broken, FIX IT!" 73 Marshall - ke6pcv
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Marshall <marshall@cal-net.org> wrote:
Steve,
I look forward to a logic answer as to why EVB and ACID are being
basically forced, and why nobody writes a simple howto or script to get
Asterisk, libpri, Zaptel/DAHDI from Digium's servers, and build from
source.
Instead of complaining about this, why don't you do all the work and write the scripts for the HAM community.
Be a solution to the problem, not the cause.
Everyone always wants to complain, but no one ever wants to take the time to help out of fix problems.
Lots of folks have put a ton of time and personal money into this project and have been nice enough to share this work with the HAM community and not ask for monetary compensation. Don't complain about something you get for FREE!
Like the old saying goes, "If you see something broken, FIX IT!"
73
Marshall - ke6pcv
(snipped for overuse of whitespace) This is not a HAM community, it is an Asterisk based repeater community. I have it in use for commercial non HAM operations that you as a HAM are restricted from. As far as money goes, yeah, the defunct Dingotel company probably put in most of the effort and money for the idea to be ripped off. The URI is most likely infringing on a patent or several but that is besides the point. I am precipitating the fix, not creating the problem. What problem have I created? Again, why so much pushback? I paid for three URIs, that was in U$D, so much for free. Now I expect to be able to us that hardware on the OS/platform of my choosing. Am I out off line? "Like the old saying goes, "If you see something broken, FIX IT!"" I was not complaining, just asking logical questions. Try logic over emotion sometime, you might live longer... at least try opening your mind a bit, good advice for everyone. Since when is asking what the logic of be corralled into anything complaining? If there is a logical answer rather than vague answers such as "a labor of love" and "difficult to do", then I am open to hearing it, otherwise it is propaganda to someone's agenda. I logically want to be clear which it is. HOWTO: 1. Install your favorite flavor of Linux and configure it your way, optimize your way, secure your way. 2. Install prerequisites for Asterisk 3. Go into /usr/src directory on your linux box # cd /usr/src 4. b) Download the latest SVN stable release of libpri and zaptel and Jim's branch # svn checkout http://svn.digium.com/svn/libpri/branches/1.4 libpri-1.4 # svn checkout http://svn.digium.com/svn/zaptel/branches/1.4 zaptel-1.4 # svn checkout http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/team/jdixon/chan_usbradio-1.4/ asterisk_usbradio 5. cd into each of the above directories and read any READMEs or similar all caps files. 6. cd into libpri-1.4 # make clean # make && make install 7. cd into zaptel-1.4 # make clean # make && make install 8. cd into asterisks_usbradio # make clean # ./configure # "make menuselect" and make the selections you want. # make && make install 9. Edit required files 10. Start Asterisk on the console with core dump on and a bit of verbose # asterisk -vvvvvvvvvvvgc Someone please test this as I have, and post to the websites pushing EVB or ACID. Thanks, Steve Totaro
The reason for using ACID or EVB is simple. They work and are simple for the average ham who has never touched linux to get a working box. N9SH and WA6ZFT put a lot of time into making those distos for those who want to play with this stuff. Commercial use is questionable at best. Relying on commodity PC based hardware for a commercial install is nuts. PC's lockup. Dedicated controllers simply don't. FRS and MURS is forbidden by the FCC rules thats why Dingotel isn't around. their product was not legal in any way shape or form. Besides they leached phone access from basically everyone for their business model. not so bright an idea. They most likely stole the idea from Steve and Jim since the app_rpt has been around for quite a long while. Now, if you want to use your distro of choice, then you are free to do so. the source for everything is available. you know where it is, its plainly published. You can figure out how to make it work. Plain and simple. Don't ask for help as most likely your peculiar combo is at fault. Do you call GM when your after market 600HP turbo charger with red blinking lights doesn't go beep beep beep? Then why as why something doesn't work with an odd ball setup? No one is forcing you to use EVB or ACID. They exist because they are simple to use. Since the majority of the people developing are using the same setup then that is what we expect you to use if you want any help. No the users are not dumb. Its development is being based off a standard. You could have just as easily built your own fob, I did. I think I have whopping $10 in my setup total. Don't complain about your choice to buy something. It was YOUR choice to do so. I chose to solder my own. Did I complain about how easy it was to make? nope.... Your perceived hostility doesn't help very much and use of phases like "propaganda" and "logic" are flamebait. Personal attacks like the one target at N9SH are not necessary and you will simply be ignored from here out. Have fun and Chill a little _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Don Russell <w9drr@live.com> wrote:
The reason for using ACID or EVB is simple. They work and are simple for the average ham who has never touched linux to get a working box. N9SH and WA6ZFT put a lot of time into making those distos for those who want to play with this stuff.
Ok, so you have verified my thoughts as to why it has been dumbed down. For the HAM audience.
Commercial use is questionable at best. Relying on commodity PC based hardware for a commercial install is nuts. PC's lockup.
I am not sure I would call an HP DL380 with dual power supplies and RAID 5 a PC, I guess it is a commodity by definition. I have one with four and a half years of uptime.
Dedicated controllers simply don't. FRS and MURS is forbidden by the FCC rules thats why Dingotel isn't around. their product was not legal in any way shape or form. Besides they leached phone access from basically everyone for their business model. not so bright an idea.
Moot point, not even worth verifying, they are defunct.
They most likely stole the idea from Steve and Jim since the app_rpt has been around for quite a long while.
Patents need to be somewhat specific, Jim Dixon gave credit where credit was due at last year's Astricon (I was one of the ten or fifteen people at that track). He specifically said that the idea (USB Radio Interface) came from the Dingotel product and went on to say that app_rpt had support for Dingotel dongles. I heard the words come right out of his mouth.
Now, if you want to use your distro of choice, then you are free to do so. the source for everything is available. you know where it is, its plainly published. You can figure out how to make it work. Plain and simple. Don't ask for help as most likely your peculiar combo is at fault.
Why are HAM operators so closed minded? Anyways, from asking this same question before, tens of people have contacted me offlist with the same concerns. Maybe it is the attitude on this list.
Do you call GM when your after market 600HP turbo charger with red blinking lights doesn't go beep beep beep? Then why as why something doesn't work with an odd ball setup? No one is forcing you to use EVB or ACID. They exist because they are simple to use. Since the majority of the people developing are using the same setup then that is what we expect you to use if you want any help. No the users are not dumb. Its development is being based off a standard.
Should be developed cleanly with Asterisk and merged in the 1.6 branch. EVB or ACID are not standards.
You could have just as easily built your own fob, I did. I think I have whopping $10 in my setup total. Don't complain about your choice to buy something. It was YOUR choice to do so. I chose to solder my own. Did I complain about how easy it was to make? nope....
Please stop global whining.
Your perceived hostility doesn't help very much and use of phases like "propaganda" and "logic" are flamebait. Personal attacks like the one target at N9SH are not necessary and you will simply be ignored from here out.
Please quote one personal attack.
Have fun and Chill a little
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At 08:30 AM 7/28/2008, you wrote:
The reason for using ACID or EVB is simple. They work and are simple for the average ham who has never touched linux to get a working box. N9SH and WA6ZFT put a lot of time into making those distos for those who want to play with this stuff. Commercial use is questionable
In a way, that's not unlike the IRLP guys insisting you use the IRLP distributions if you want support. They don't stop you installing IRLP on other distros, but they won't support it either. That is fair enough. Actually using ACID or EVB would have been my first option, except that I don't have physical access to the box frequently, and don't want to spend all my time there getting it back online, as others at the site depend on it for Internet access too. :) However, I might install ACID onto a VMware VM and examine its configuration.
Now, if you want to use your distro of choice, then you are free to do so. the source for everything is available. you know where it is, its plainly published. You can figure out how to make it work. Plain and simple. Don't ask for help as most likely your peculiar combo is at fault.
Actually, this is where the community can step in. Like on IRLP, there's a number of IRLP/Debian gurus that know how to get it running on Debian. I can get it going on stock CentOS/Fedors boxes, etc. When I have luck, I'll post my results back here (note the "when" :) ). 73 de VK3JED http://vkradio.com
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