Stacy and the pttlink team, Thank you for posting this letter. It is quite a bit ti digest but it gives us an idea of what happened and what is going on. Now before VE2PF decides to troll or brigade me as he has clearly done to you guys and others I have a few questions regarding this. These questions are directed at Stacy and the rest of the hams who signed the letter. You point to the AllStarLink Wiki and a page for the Admin committee as evidence of your legitimacy regarding what you have and continue to do. What sort of agreements were in place with the donors of the VMs used by what is now the pttlink network? Was there any SLA or agreement in writing with the ASL board regarding handling of data or systems?? Was there anything procedure or policy in place that covered what happens when systems are migrated? Anything covering disposition of data? Can you elaborate on specifically what the ASL board has done for item II, III and IV of your letter? Give some details or evidence of what you are saying has happened? Why did you choose to do the opt in for users? Why not just flush the data and start over? I think you guys are trying to do the right thing here and show you intend to be good stewards of the data. It is too bad a certain person has decided to troll your efforts and cause problems. I'm guessing he hasn't requested his data be removed yet? I also applaud you on your team's pledge. Ham radio is known for its gatekeepers, people who don't like change, bad tempered people as shown here, etc. I think this community really needs to clean up its image as a whole and show that the kind of behavior from people like VE2PF has demonstrated won't be tolerated. If you can't have civil discourse then just go away. Nobody is forcing you to use any of these systems or lists. How will you handle the inevitable moderation that will need to be to these types of people? #6 of your pledge states that you will not revoke someone's access without notice or giving them an opportunity to challenge it. Can you elaborate on this?
This might be something interesting to note. The AllStarLink Community website having posts altered. Assuming the message listed at : http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/2021-January/021015.html and https://www.reddit.com/r/pttlink/comments/kpp1x6/letter_to_the_community/ were posted at the same time as: [https://community.allstarlink.org/t/letter-to-the-community/1802](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/letter-to-the-community/18023) Then it seems that someone removed this on the Community site: Users can accomplish this by adding to the /etc/asterisk/iax.conf file an additional registration line, duplicating their existing AllStarLink node number and password and changing the registration server from register.allstarlink.org to register.pttlink.org similar to the following: register=<node number>:<password>@register.pttlink.org Looks like the accusations in the pttlink letter are proving to be true. If so then this is very troubling. Very troubling indeed. Pttlink I have not had a reply to my questions from the the other day either. Does anyone from there care to reply to them? Oh and before I forget: Pierre, your continuing negative remarks and commentary on this and other posts is not needed nor is it appreciated. Stop trolling everyone who posts something you don't like. And stop trolling me. If you don't like the posts and can't reply in a meaningful way then here then please unsubscribe.
Re-establishing facts is not trolling nor negative. The reason why they changed the information is plainly at the suggestion of a member of the community... Maybe posting all the facts is hard for you. https://community.allstarlink.org/t/letter-to-the-community/18023/9 Why am I not surprised? maybe because i've seen you do the same before? If you don't like my posting, just unregister me. It is your mailing list as you said before. Pierre VE2PF. Le mar. 5 janv. 2021 à 18:47, PeteM via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> a écrit :
This might be something interesting to note.
The AllStarLink Community website having posts altered.
Assuming the message listed at : http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/2021-January/021015.html and https://www.reddit.com/r/pttlink/comments/kpp1x6/letter_to_the_community/ were posted at the same time as: https://community.allstarlink.org/t/letter-to-the-community/1802 <https://community.allstarlink.org/t/letter-to-the-community/18023>
Then it seems that someone removed this on the Community site:
Users can accomplish this by adding to the /etc/asterisk/iax.conf file an additional registration line, duplicating their existing AllStarLink node number and password and changing the registration server from register.allstarlink.org to register.pttlink.org similar to the following: register=<node number>:<password>@register.pttlink.org
Looks like the accusations in the pttlink letter are proving to be true.
If so then this is very troubling.
Very troubling indeed.
Pttlink I have not had a reply to my questions from the the other day either. Does anyone from there care to reply to them?
Oh and before I forget: Pierre, your continuing negative remarks and commentary on this and other posts is not needed nor is it appreciated.
Stop trolling everyone who posts something you don't like. And stop trolling me.
If you don't like the posts and can't reply in a meaningful way then here then please unsubscribe.
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 5:20 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
Re-establishing facts is not trolling nor negative.
It is when you persist and constantly post where others are. You give the appearance of toxicity and needing to be right. And then there is the general rudeness, name calling etc.
The reason why they changed the information is plainly at the suggestion of a member of the community...
Changes done without stating that a change was made gives the illusion of being sneaky and screams censorship. It provides bad optics for everyone. There are no guarantees people will read past the first few replies. I didn't.
Maybe posting all the facts is hard for you.
Posting facts? No. You accepting facts that are counter to what you believe, yes.
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/letter-to-the-community/18023/9
Why am I not surprised? maybe because i've seen you do the same before?
Not surprised? Do the same before? That would be a neat trick considering you don't know me.
If you don't like my posting, just unregister me. It is your mailing list as you said before.
Again with assumptions. That would be a neat trick for me since you obviously have me confused with someone else. You can unsubscribe yourself by clicking the link at the bottom. Ask pttlink to help you if you can't or won't do it. I am sure they would be more than willing to help you out. Ok. I'm done replying to you. Go on and keep acting the fool for everyone here to see. I bid you au revoir and may the screen door hit you where the good lord split you.
Re-establishing facts is not trolling nor negative. It is when you persist and constantly post where others are. You give the appearance of toxicity and needing to be right. And then there is the general rudeness, name calling etc. Name calling? Ok It seems that I've been the one accused of being a troll. Now if you think that when someone is stating facts, that it is name calling... if I give the appearance of toxicity, maybe it is because facts are toxic to alternate reality? Andf I am mixing you for someone else, that is clearly not my fault, it is simply because you are not man enough to show how you are. Now one or many must be asking themself why not come forward and show yourself your true identity? What do you have to lose? Why conceal your identity? Are you so much afraid of possible consequences that you need to come with a mask in front of us all? I have nothing to hide, do you? Pierre VE2PF Le mer. 6 janv. 2021 à 04:07, PeteM via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> a écrit :
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 5:20 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
Re-establishing facts is not trolling nor negative.
It is when you persist and constantly post where others are. You give the appearance of toxicity and needing to be right. And then there is the general rudeness, name calling etc.
The reason why they changed the information is plainly at the suggestion of a member of the community...
Changes done without stating that a change was made gives the illusion of being sneaky and screams censorship. It provides bad optics for everyone. There are no guarantees people will read past the first few replies. I didn't.
Maybe posting all the facts is hard for you.
Posting facts? No. You accepting facts that are counter to what you believe, yes.
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/letter-to-the-community/18023/9
Why am I not surprised? maybe because i've seen you do the same before?
Not surprised? Do the same before? That would be a neat trick considering you don't know me.
If you don't like my posting, just unregister me. It is your mailing list as you said before.
Again with assumptions. That would be a neat trick for me since you obviously have me confused with someone else.
You can unsubscribe yourself by clicking the link at the bottom.
Ask pttlink to help you if you can't or won't do it. I am sure they would be more than willing to help you out.
Ok. I'm done replying to you. Go on and keep acting the fool for everyone here to see.
I bid you au revoir and may the screen door hit you where the good lord split you.
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Pierre, Please, PLEASE quit your constant display of discontent with PTTLINK on the public forum! How many times have people said this to you now... This is no place for that kind of discussion, be the grownup and move it to private discussion between you and PTTLINK. If nobody responds back then such is life and either move on or sue the pants off of them or do whatever it is that you actually are wanting for them stealing your private info. Berating PTTLINK publicly like this is not going to fix the beef you have with them. WE ARE ALL VERY WELL AWARE OF YOUR VIEW ON/OF AND TOWARDS PTTLINK! All your doing is making the rift between the now two separate groups and us users/community members EVEN LARGER. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 5:03 AM Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
Re-establishing facts is not trolling nor negative.
It is when you persist and constantly post where others are. You give the appearance of toxicity and needing to be right. And then there is the general rudeness, name calling etc.
Name calling? Ok It seems that I've been the one accused of being a troll. Now if you think that when someone is stating facts, that it is name calling... if I give the appearance of toxicity, maybe it is because facts are toxic to alternate reality?
Andf I am mixing you for someone else, that is clearly not my fault, it is simply because you are not man enough to show how you are. Now one or many must be asking themself why not come forward and show yourself your true identity? What do you have to lose? Why conceal your identity? Are you so much afraid of possible consequences that you need to come with a mask in front of us all?
I have nothing to hide, do you?
Pierre VE2PF
Le mer. 6 janv. 2021 à 04:07, PeteM via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> a écrit :
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 5:20 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
Re-establishing facts is not trolling nor negative.
It is when you persist and constantly post where others are. You give the appearance of toxicity and needing to be right. And then there is the general rudeness, name calling etc.
The reason why they changed the information is plainly at the suggestion of a member of the community...
Changes done without stating that a change was made gives the illusion of being sneaky and screams censorship. It provides bad optics for everyone. There are no guarantees people will read past the first few replies. I didn't.
Maybe posting all the facts is hard for you.
Posting facts? No. You accepting facts that are counter to what you believe, yes.
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/letter-to-the-community/18023/9
Why am I not surprised? maybe because i've seen you do the same before?
Not surprised? Do the same before? That would be a neat trick considering you don't know me.
If you don't like my posting, just unregister me. It is your mailing list as you said before.
Again with assumptions. That would be a neat trick for me since you obviously have me confused with someone else.
You can unsubscribe yourself by clicking the link at the bottom.
Ask pttlink to help you if you can't or won't do it. I am sure they would be more than willing to help you out.
Ok. I'm done replying to you. Go on and keep acting the fool for everyone here to see.
I bid you au revoir and may the screen door hit you where the good lord split you.
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Not that I am trying to stir the pot but I appreciate the dialog in trying to wrap my arms around this whole situation. Censoring the thread would remove my (and others) ability to form our own opinions of the situation. -Brad W4INT On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:58 PM Jeff Ackerman <kg6uyz@gmail.com> wrote:
Pierre,
Please, PLEASE quit your constant display of discontent with PTTLINK on the public forum! How many times have people said this to you now... This is no place for that kind of discussion, be the grownup and move it to private discussion between you and PTTLINK. If nobody responds back then such is life and either move on or sue the pants off of them or do whatever it is that you actually are wanting for them stealing your private info. Berating PTTLINK publicly like this is not going to fix the beef you have with them. WE ARE ALL VERY WELL AWARE OF YOUR VIEW ON/OF AND TOWARDS PTTLINK! All your doing is making the rift between the now two separate groups and us users/community members EVEN LARGER.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 5:03 AM Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
Re-establishing facts is not trolling nor negative.
It is when you persist and constantly post where others are. You give the appearance of toxicity and needing to be right. And then there is the general rudeness, name calling etc.
Name calling? Ok It seems that I've been the one accused of being a troll. Now if you think that when someone is stating facts, that it is name calling... if I give the appearance of toxicity, maybe it is because facts are toxic to alternate reality?
Andf I am mixing you for someone else, that is clearly not my fault, it is simply because you are not man enough to show how you are. Now one or many must be asking themself why not come forward and show yourself your true identity? What do you have to lose? Why conceal your identity? Are you so much afraid of possible consequences that you need to come with a mask in front of us all?
I have nothing to hide, do you?
Pierre VE2PF
Le mer. 6 janv. 2021 à 04:07, PeteM via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> a écrit :
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 5:20 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
Re-establishing facts is not trolling nor negative.
It is when you persist and constantly post where others are. You give the appearance of toxicity and needing to be right. And then there is the general rudeness, name calling etc.
The reason why they changed the information is plainly at the suggestion of a member of the community...
Changes done without stating that a change was made gives the illusion of being sneaky and screams censorship. It provides bad optics for everyone. There are no guarantees people will read past the first few replies. I didn't.
Maybe posting all the facts is hard for you.
Posting facts? No. You accepting facts that are counter to what you believe, yes.
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/letter-to-the-community/18023/9
Why am I not surprised? maybe because i've seen you do the same before?
Not surprised? Do the same before? That would be a neat trick considering you don't know me.
If you don't like my posting, just unregister me. It is your mailing list as you said before.
Again with assumptions. That would be a neat trick for me since you obviously have me confused with someone else.
You can unsubscribe yourself by clicking the link at the bottom.
Ask pttlink to help you if you can't or won't do it. I am sure they would be more than willing to help you out.
Ok. I'm done replying to you. Go on and keep acting the fool for everyone here to see.
I bid you au revoir and may the screen door hit you where the good lord split you.
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 10:02 AM, Brad Trogdon <Brad@trogdon.org> wrote:
Not that I am trying to stir the pot but I appreciate the dialog in trying to wrap my arms around this whole situation. Censoring the thread would remove my (and others) ability to form our own opinions of the situation.
I believe it is more of the incessant rants and theatrics that's being talked about. Reddit is full of this guy hounding anyone who posts anything positive about pttlink. I don't think they should remove the discussion but maybe look at moderating him for a while until he stops?
-Brad W4INT
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:58 PM Jeff Ackerman <kg6uyz@gmail.com> wrote:
Pierre,
Please, PLEASE quit your constant display of discontent with PTTLINK on the public forum! How many times have people said this to you now... This is no place for that kind of discussion, be the grownup and move it to private discussion between you and PTTLINK. If nobody responds back then such is life and either move on or sue the pants off of them or do whatever it is that you actually are wanting for them stealing your private info. Berating PTTLINK publicly like this is not going to fix the beef you have with them. WE ARE ALL VERY WELL AWARE OF YOUR VIEW ON/OF AND TOWARDS PTTLINK! All your doing is making the rift between the now two separate groups and us users/community members EVEN LARGER.
Amen.
On 7/1/21 5:02 am, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Not that I am trying to stir the pot but I appreciate the dialog in trying to wrap my arms around this whole situation. Censoring the thread would remove my (and others) ability to form our own opinions of the situation. I have been following, and it seems this is like any other "war" - the first casualty is truth. Ignoring the noise, I've seen two views - one from each side. They are in conflict as to the details, but there's no real way of knowing the actual truth of what happened from what's been said by either side (and that may take a long time, if ever).
But it has shed some light on the issues. But for me it's now a question of "Where to from here?" My main concern at a practical level is being able to maintain connectivity with both systems (Allstarlink and PTTlink), as Murphy's Law says chances are I'll want to be able to do so, to contact nodes that have gone one way or the other. I know I can add the extra registration line, but how does that affect node lookups, authentication, etc? And if you go to dial a node number that's duplicated across both networks, which one do you get? Definitely need "long distance" (actually inter-network dialing) codes now. :) I do have a spare (duplicate) configuration of one of my nodes I can play with on PTTlink. Let's work on solutions. -- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
There has been an answer from the administration to my questioning about the personal information being replicated without consent and other action done by some disgruntled individual https://community.allstarlink.org/t/my-perssonal-information-stolen/18011/15 Le mer. 6 janv. 2021 à 15:50, Tony Langdon <vk3jed@vkradio.com> a écrit :
On 7/1/21 5:02 am, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Not that I am trying to stir the pot but I appreciate the dialog in trying to wrap my arms around this whole situation. Censoring the thread would remove my (and others) ability to form our own opinions of the situation. I have been following, and it seems this is like any other "war" - the first casualty is truth. Ignoring the noise, I've seen two views - one from each side. They are in conflict as to the details, but there's no real way of knowing the actual truth of what happened from what's been said by either side (and that may take a long time, if ever).
But it has shed some light on the issues.
But for me it's now a question of "Where to from here?" My main concern at a practical level is being able to maintain connectivity with both systems (Allstarlink and PTTlink), as Murphy's Law says chances are I'll want to be able to do so, to contact nodes that have gone one way or the other.
I know I can add the extra registration line, but how does that affect node lookups, authentication, etc? And if you go to dial a node number that's duplicated across both networks, which one do you get? Definitely need "long distance" (actually inter-network dialing) codes now. :)
I do have a spare (duplicate) configuration of one of my nodes I can play with on PTTlink. Let's work on solutions.
-- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 2:04 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been an answer from the administration to my questioning about the personal information being replicated without consent and other action done by some disgruntled individual
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/my-perssonal-information-stolen/18011/15
Oh look. Another Pierre Martel post. Deleted from inbox, added to kill file.
There has been an answer from the administration to my questioning about the personal information being replicated without consent and other action done by some disgruntled individual
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/my-perssonal-information-stolen/18011/15
Oh look. Another Pierre Martel post. Deleted from inbox, added to kill file.
Says the person who went out of their way to create a fake mailbox that looks like Pierre's. You can't antagonize him and at the same time complain about him responding! On a side note... between here and Reddit, how do you guys live with all of your fake accounts? This is my first one and I already feel like a piece of garbage.
Ok, I'll say it.... ENOUGH ALREADY NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THE BICKERING BACK AND FORTH! On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 6:28 PM pttlink via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> wrote:
There has been an answer from the administration to my questioning about the personal information being replicated without consent and other action done by some disgruntled individual
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/my-perssonal-information-stolen/18011/15
Oh look. Another Pierre Martel post. Deleted from inbox, added to kill file.
Says the person who went out of their way to create a fake mailbox that looks like Pierre's. You can't antagonize him and at the same time complain about him responding!
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Hamvoip loves this split, it distracts everyone from their doings :p On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:51 PM Joe Moskalski <kc2irv@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I'll say it.... ENOUGH ALREADY NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THE BICKERING BACK AND FORTH!
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 6:28 PM pttlink via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> wrote:
There has been an answer from the administration to my questioning about the personal information being replicated without consent and other action done by some disgruntled individual
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/my-perssonal-information-stolen/18011/15
Oh look. Another Pierre Martel post. Deleted from inbox, added to kill file.
Says the person who went out of their way to create a fake mailbox that looks like Pierre's. You can't antagonize him and at the same time complain about him responding!
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I don't know who you are. But please, please, don't fall in the same tactic they are using. At least one had his account banned for 14 days from /r/amateurradio already. I on the other side was never even told to back down or change my way of responding. Cause contrary to them. I am not hiding. I am not afraid from them. No one should. We are Ham radio people. Not CBer. Not mob, not theft. Well at least I tought that we were. If they have any pride left, they should just step down and accept that they have been acting like kids. The time of the recreation is done. If they act properly the voip network that Jim Dixon created, the same network he was so surprised went so much larger that he ever tought, will only get better, get stronger and better. I am not the one that can do that. They are.. Now we will see what type of man they are. Action speaks a lot. Pierre VE2PF Le mer. 6 janv. 2021 à 18:28, pttlink via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> a écrit :
There has been an answer from the administration to my questioning about the personal information being replicated without consent and other action done by some disgruntled individual
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/my-perssonal-information-stolen/18011/15
Oh look. Another Pierre Martel post. Deleted from inbox, added to kill file.
Says the person who went out of their way to create a fake mailbox that looks like Pierre's. You can't antagonize him and at the same time complain about him responding!
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I don't know who you are.
But please, please, don't fall in the same tactic they are using.
At least one had his account banned for 14 days from /r/amateurradio already. I on the other side was never even told to back down or change my way of responding. Cause contrary to them. I am not hiding. I am not afraid from them. No one should.
We are Ham radio people. Not CBer. Not mob, not theft. Well at least I tought that we were.
If they have any pride left, they should just step down and accept that they have been acting like kids. The time of the recreation is done.
If they act properly the voip network that Jim Dixon created, the same network he was so surprised went so much larger that he ever tought, will only get better, get stronger and better. I am not the one that can do that. They are..
Now we will see what type of man they are.
Action speaks a lot.
Pierre VE2PF
Pierre, I wish I had your courage. I am actually afraid of these people. I've seen the vindictive things they've done to the board members of AllStarLink over simple disagreements. I really don't want anyone throwing on a diaper and taking a several hour drive to my house to harass me.
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