Re: [App_rpt-users] Discontinuance of IRLP support
At 09:53 AM 10/23/2010, kb8ude@gmail.com wrote:
That is unfortunate. It also explains why. requests to him for a node number were ignored. Too many times the needs (wants) of the few (one) get in the way of progress.
I got on-board with the app_rpt project because it offered a way to give our users a way to access three different networks cheaply rather than duplicating hardware to achieve the same result. I won't be constructing a new system to fill the gap, that's for sure.
Actually, it could be done on an existing IRLP node in theory. A bit of a kludge, but EchoIRLP interfaces thebridge to existing IRLP software, and so I'm sure Asterisk could be interfaced to the IRLP software in a similar fashion. Not the nicest way to do things, but theoretically possible, and would be IRLP compliant. The AllStar side wouldn't need any hardware, since it would be using the radio/interface that IRLP uses. EchoIRLP, even though it's a bunch of shell scripts is GPL, so feel free to play. :) 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
Hmm, This is very bad news... I would think that connecting a single app_rpt node to IRLP would not violate their rules. There are a number of IRLP node emulators that just make sure that echolink in not currently in use before allowing IRLP. Their rules disallow interconnections to foreign networks, it should not disallow connecting to a app_rpt system used only as a repeater controller with a few local radios (during the IRLP session). The IRLP system is a bit too heavy for me, you need a controller, their card and a PC. I recall they even set up a flag for "experimental nodes" in the IRLP database. Pete/WI6H -----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon, VK3JED Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:11 PM To: kb8ude@gmail.com; app_rpt mailing list Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Discontinuance of IRLP support At 09:53 AM 10/23/2010, kb8ude@gmail.com wrote:
That is unfortunate. It also explains why. requests to him for a node number were ignored. Too many times the needs (wants) of the few (one) get in the way of progress.
I got on-board with the app_rpt project because it offered a way to give our users a way to access three different networks cheaply rather than duplicating hardware to achieve the same result. I won't be constructing a new system to fill the gap, that's for sure.
Actually, it could be done on an existing IRLP node in theory. A bit of a kludge, but EchoIRLP interfaces thebridge to existing IRLP software, and so I'm sure Asterisk could be interfaced to the IRLP software in a similar fashion. Not the nicest way to do things, but theoretically possible, and would be IRLP compliant. The AllStar side wouldn't need any hardware, since it would be using the radio/interface that IRLP uses. EchoIRLP, even though it's a bunch of shell scripts is GPL, so feel free to play. :) 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@qrvc.com http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
On Friday, October 22, 2010 04:41:42 pm Peter Elke wrote:
Hmm,
This is very bad news...
Maybe, and maybe not. It could end up being good for AllStarLink and EchoLink. It's possible that without so many IRLP nodes already in existance, that IRLP might be standing alone at some point. It's just starting to hit me how scary powerful and flexible AllStarLink is, being built on top of Asterisk.
I would think that connecting a single app_rpt node to IRLP would not violate their rules. There are a number of IRLP node emulators that just make sure that echolink in not currently in use before allowing IRLP.
It's the many to many and many to one connection possibility that is the cause for concern, and one incident that soured Mr. Cameron on AllStarLink. With each AllStarLink node being able to be a hub, that is not something IRLP can do now. IRLP uses an out dated interface (parallel port!) afterall. I refused to play by heavy handed rules and not have flexibility, which is why I am here (AllStarLink #2392/EchoLink #541558) now. I think AllStarLink is way under publicized and people just don't realize how powerful and flexibile it is. Of course, like with any tool, that power can be weilded for good or evil.
Their rules disallow interconnections to foreign networks, it should not disallow connecting to a app_rpt system used only as a repeater controller with a few local radios (during the IRLP session).
True, but some minds still need to come out of the caves and see the light. :D Until then, we do what we do and have more fun doing it. :D
The IRLP system is a bit too heavy for me, you need a controller, their card and a PC.
For a simplex node, the requirements are no heavier than for AllStarLink. Repeaters are another story, of course.
I recall they even set up a flag for "experimental nodes" in the IRLP database.
Yes, they do, and I rejected that possibility for myself. I want a fully functional legit node, which is what I have now, still in two networks. I am finding there are not too many places I care to go on IRLP anyways. :) 8-Dale
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon, VK3JED Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:11 PM To: kb8ude@gmail.com; app_rpt mailing list Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Discontinuance of IRLP support
At 09:53 AM 10/23/2010, kb8ude@gmail.com wrote:
That is unfortunate. It also explains why. requests to him for a node number were ignored. Too many times the needs (wants) of the few (one) get in the way of progress.
I got on-board with the app_rpt project because it offered a way to give our users a way to access three different networks cheaply rather than duplicating hardware to achieve the same result. I won't be constructing a new system to fill the gap, that's for sure.
Actually, it could be done on an existing IRLP node in theory. A bit of a kludge, but EchoIRLP interfaces thebridge to existing IRLP software, and so I'm sure Asterisk could be interfaced to the IRLP software in a similar fashion. Not the nicest way to do things, but theoretically possible, and would be IRLP compliant. The AllStar side wouldn't need any hardware, since it would be using the radio/interface that IRLP uses.
EchoIRLP, even though it's a bunch of shell scripts is GPL, so feel free to play. :)
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
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This is bad news. Could you use an experimental node with Allstar? How would one setup tlb to interface Allstar to IRLP. Greg On 10/22/2010 07:41 PM, Peter Elke wrote:
Hmm,
This is very bad news...
I would think that connecting a single app_rpt node to IRLP would not violate their rules. There are a number of IRLP node emulators that just make sure that echolink in not currently in use before allowing IRLP.
Their rules disallow interconnections to foreign networks, it should not disallow connecting to a app_rpt system used only as a repeater controller with a few local radios (during the IRLP session).
The IRLP system is a bit too heavy for me, you need a controller, their card and a PC.
I recall they even set up a flag for "experimental nodes" in the IRLP database.
Pete/WI6H
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon, VK3JED Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:11 PM To: kb8ude@gmail.com; app_rpt mailing list Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Discontinuance of IRLP support
At 09:53 AM 10/23/2010, kb8ude@gmail.com wrote:
That is unfortunate. It also explains why. requests to him for a node number were ignored. Too many times the needs (wants) of the few (one) get in the way of progress.
I got on-board with the app_rpt project because it offered a way to give our users a way to access three different networks cheaply rather than duplicating hardware to achieve the same result. I won't be constructing a new system to fill the gap, that's for sure.
Actually, it could be done on an existing IRLP node in theory. A bit of a kludge, but EchoIRLP interfaces thebridge to existing IRLP software, and so I'm sure Asterisk could be interfaced to the IRLP software in a similar fashion. Not the nicest way to do things, but theoretically possible, and would be IRLP compliant. The AllStar side wouldn't need any hardware, since it would be using the radio/interface that IRLP uses.
EchoIRLP, even though it's a bunch of shell scripts is GPL, so feel free to play. :)
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
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At 11:12 AM 10/23/2010, Greg Thornwall wrote:
This is bad news.
Could you use an experimental node with Allstar?
How would one setup tlb to interface Allstar to IRLP.
At this stage, a "work in progress". There's people working on a reliable TLB <--> AllStar interface along the lines of what chan_rtpdir aimed to do - to link thw two systems together for multi system conferences/reflectors. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
Well that should not be too difficult.. Why hasnt anyone asked me about this.. I think I could help a great deal in this area... JIM
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 13:45:30 +1100 To: thorn@myactv.net; app_rpt-users@qrvc.com From: vk3jed@vkradio.com Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Discontinuance of IRLP support
At 11:12 AM 10/23/2010, Greg Thornwall wrote:
This is bad news.
Could you use an experimental node with Allstar?
How would one setup tlb to interface Allstar to IRLP.
At this stage, a "work in progress". There's people working on a reliable TLB <--> AllStar interface along the lines of what chan_rtpdir aimed to do - to link thw two systems together for multi system conferences/reflectors.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
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At 01:47 PM 10/23/2010, Jim Duuuude wrote:
Well that should not be too difficult.. Why hasnt anyone asked me about this.. I think I could help a great deal in this area...
Thanks Jim, see the last email I sent to you off list. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
for me, that is one of the reasons for not playing in his (daves) sandbox. i can understand his reasons and respect that. but at the time in the past, Allstar was not yet for prime time, as it is now. i just don't like his (daves) over all attitude on things though. our asterisk system is better and is very flexible. the ILRP, well lets say, it is a very good mousetrap & now, it is not very flexible. echolink well, it has it's own host of issues and such. that is why i only allow, certain control op or -rpt only connects due to the wide and varied audio that comes from the echolink network. allstar audio is very good and well done, and we have control of our stuff. r every one i meet on the allstar network is very nice and helpful. that is all i have to say on this subject.... there is no need to flame/bash dave or his network. his room, his rules..... Allstar - ROCK ON ! yea! :)r -- Thanks in Advance Bob Brown, WØNQX Kansas City Metro Area http://sm0kenet.net http://byrg.net http://kcdstar.byrg.net Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Its not how many watts you have, its the SIZE of your watts that matter! -- Johnny Marshall, W0JM-SK -- On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 18:11, Tony Langdon, VK3JED <vk3jed@vkradio.com> wrote:
At 09:53 AM 10/23/2010, kb8ude@gmail.com wrote:
That is unfortunate. It also explains why. requests to him for a node number were ignored. Too many times the needs (wants) of the few (one) get in the way of progress.
I got on-board with the app_rpt project because it offered a way to give our users a way to access three different networks cheaply rather than duplicating hardware to achieve the same result. I won't be constructing a new system to fill the gap, that's for sure.
Hi Bob, Agreed, on all counts. I posted to sell my IRLP board, since I can't use my node anymore under asterisk. I posted my reasons for selling, being that I'm using asterisk. I think Dave took it a little personally. Sigh. Rock on, allstar! -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Bob Brown - WØNQX wrote:
for me,
that is one of the reasons for not playing in his (daves) sandbox. i can understand his reasons and respect that.
but at the time in the past, Allstar was not yet for prime time, as it is now.
i just don't like his (daves) over all attitude on things though.
our asterisk system is better and is very flexible. the ILRP, well lets say, it is a very good mousetrap & now, it is not very flexible.
echolink well, it has it's own host of issues and such. that is why i only allow, certain control op or -rpt only connects due to the wide and varied audio that comes from the echolink network.
allstar audio is very good and well done, and we have control of our stuff. r every one i meet on the allstar network is very nice and helpful.
that is all i have to say on this subject....
there is no need to flame/bash dave or his network.
his room, his rules.....
Allstar - ROCK ON ! yea! :)r
-- Thanks in Advance
Bob Brown, WØNQX
Kansas City Metro Area
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Its not how many watts you have, its the SIZE of your watts that matter! -- Johnny Marshall, W0JM-SK
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 18:11, Tony Langdon, VK3JED <vk3jed@vkradio.com> wrote:
At 09:53 AM 10/23/2010, kb8ude@gmail.com wrote:
That is unfortunate. It also explains why. requests to him for a node number were ignored. Too many times the needs (wants) of the few (one) get in the way of progress.
I got on-board with the app_rpt project because it offered a way to give our users a way to access three different networks cheaply rather than duplicating hardware to achieve the same result. I won't be constructing a new system to fill the gap, that's for sure.
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