Hi, I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on. Thanks for any pointers... Chris KB2FAF
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think) 73 Ken
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users- bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Chris(KB2FAF) Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
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Ken, Your suggestion made a huge difference! Thank you. Chris - KB2FAF On 12/18/2011 02:23 PM, Ken wrote:
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES
Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install
There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think)
73
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users- bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Chris(KB2FAF) Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
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But can you still reliably function the system? -- Tim :wq On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Chris(KB2FAF) wrote:
Ken,
Your suggestion made a huge difference!
Thank you.
Chris - KB2FAF
On 12/18/2011 02:23 PM, Ken wrote:
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES
Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install
There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think)
73
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users- bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Chris(KB2FAF) Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
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In my case, the DTMF commands work fine with this setting. The only time I have trouble is when there is some multipath distortion ... driving to the next traffic light is usually enough to fix that ;-) Ken
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:02 PM To: Chris (KB2FAF) Cc: Ken; App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
But can you still reliably function the system? -- Tim :wq
On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Chris(KB2FAF) wrote:
Ken,
Your suggestion made a huge difference!
Thank you.
Chris - KB2FAF
On 12/18/2011 02:23 PM, Ken wrote:
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES
Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install
There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think)
73
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users- bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Chris(KB2FAF) Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
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I tried removing RADIO_RELAX but touch tone decoding was way too slow for my taste. Jim mentioned that the parameters could be adjusted to perhaps find a happy medium between radio_relax and phone mode. The parameters are in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/main/dsp.c under the RADIO_RELAX compiler directive. Not being a C programmer and knowing even less about the DSP routines, I couldn't make much sense of the values. But maybe others could check it out and explain the parameters to the rest of us. :-) -- Tim :wq On Dec 18, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Ken wrote:
In my case, the DTMF commands work fine with this setting.
The only time I have trouble is when there is some multipath distortion ... driving to the next traffic light is usually enough to fix that ;-)
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:02 PM To: Chris (KB2FAF) Cc: Ken; App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
But can you still reliably function the system? -- Tim :wq
On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Chris(KB2FAF) wrote:
Ken,
Your suggestion made a huge difference!
Thank you.
Chris - KB2FAF
On 12/18/2011 02:23 PM, Ken wrote:
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES
Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install
There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think)
73
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users- bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Chris(KB2FAF) Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
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This is an interesting problem. I never hear this on any of my nodes. Could it be that there is too much audio driving the URI? Not sure, but does the URI RX level drive the DTMF detection? If so, you might be too hot.. Might be worth trying to adjust that down as a test to see what happens? -----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:25 PM To: Ken Cc: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing I tried removing RADIO_RELAX but touch tone decoding was way too slow for my taste. Jim mentioned that the parameters could be adjusted to perhaps find a happy medium between radio_relax and phone mode. The parameters are in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/main/dsp.c under the RADIO_RELAX compiler directive. Not being a C programmer and knowing even less about the DSP routines, I couldn't make much sense of the values. But maybe others could check it out and explain the parameters to the rest of us. :-) -- Tim :wq On Dec 18, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Ken wrote:
In my case, the DTMF commands work fine with this setting.
The only time I have trouble is when there is some multipath distortion ... driving to the next traffic light is usually enough to fix that ;-)
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:02 PM To: Chris (KB2FAF) Cc: Ken; App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
But can you still reliably function the system? -- Tim :wq
On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Chris(KB2FAF) wrote:
Ken,
Your suggestion made a huge difference!
Thank you.
Chris - KB2FAF
On 12/18/2011 02:23 PM, Ken wrote:
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES
Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install
There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think)
73
Ken
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Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
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No I don't think so. The URI is adjusted per the instructions and the receiver gain settings are reasonable (rxmixerset=375) My guess is that it is the users' vocal characteristics and to some extent the rig he/she is using. If you have one or two of these individuals on your system, it will drive you crazy unless you change the RADIO_RELAX setting. Ken
-----Original Message----- From: Lu Vencl [mailto:vencl@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:59 AM To: 'Tim Sawyer'; 'Ken' Cc: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
This is an interesting problem. I never hear this on any of my nodes. Could it be that there is too much audio driving the URI? Not sure, but does the URI RX level drive the DTMF detection? If so, you might be too hot.. Might be worth trying to adjust that down as a test to see what happens?
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:25 PM To: Ken Cc: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
I tried removing RADIO_RELAX but touch tone decoding was way too slow for my taste. Jim mentioned that the parameters could be adjusted to perhaps find a happy medium between radio_relax and phone mode. The parameters are in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/main/dsp.c under the RADIO_RELAX compiler directive. Not being a C programmer and knowing even less about the DSP routines, I couldn't make much sense of the values. But maybe others could check it out and explain the parameters to the rest of us. :-) -- Tim :wq
On Dec 18, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Ken wrote:
In my case, the DTMF commands work fine with this setting.
The only time I have trouble is when there is some multipath distortion ... driving to the next traffic light is usually enough to fix that ;-)
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:02 PM To: Chris (KB2FAF) Cc: Ken; App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
But can you still reliably function the system? -- Tim :wq
On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Chris(KB2FAF) wrote:
Ken,
Your suggestion made a huge difference!
Thank you.
Chris - KB2FAF
On 12/18/2011 02:23 PM, Ken wrote:
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES
Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install
There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think)
73
Ken
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Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
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Some people will false DTMF like crazy and others won't touch it. I have one guy who sounds like he's talking the PL of with every ahh and ohh. He's not falseing the PL by the way, I see his DTMF on the asterisk console. -- Tim :wq On Dec 20, 2011, at 6:58 AM, Lu Vencl wrote:
This is an interesting problem. I never hear this on any of my nodes. Could it be that there is too much audio driving the URI? Not sure, but does the URI RX level drive the DTMF detection? If so, you might be too hot.. Might be worth trying to adjust that down as a test to see what happens?
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:25 PM To: Ken Cc: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
I tried removing RADIO_RELAX but touch tone decoding was way too slow for my taste. Jim mentioned that the parameters could be adjusted to perhaps find a happy medium between radio_relax and phone mode. The parameters are in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/main/dsp.c under the RADIO_RELAX compiler directive. Not being a C programmer and knowing even less about the DSP routines, I couldn't make much sense of the values. But maybe others could check it out and explain the parameters to the rest of us. :-) -- Tim :wq
On Dec 18, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Ken wrote:
In my case, the DTMF commands work fine with this setting.
The only time I have trouble is when there is some multipath distortion ... driving to the next traffic light is usually enough to fix that ;-)
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:02 PM To: Chris (KB2FAF) Cc: Ken; App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
But can you still reliably function the system? -- Tim :wq
On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Chris(KB2FAF) wrote:
Ken,
Your suggestion made a huge difference!
Thank you.
Chris - KB2FAF
On 12/18/2011 02:23 PM, Ken wrote:
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES
Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install
There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think)
73
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users- bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Chris(KB2FAF) Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
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I guess it depends on how you use the system. I only use it for manual commands. I can reliably punch the rubber buttons on my microphone at about 2 digits per second. It has no trouble keeping up with that. If your setup has a speed dialer and you are dialing 10 digit phone numbers and passwords or whatever, I can see there might be an issue... not the majority of cases, I imagine. Anyway, having to wait 5 seconds for a phone number to go through every once in a while would be acceptable to me as a trade off for continuous unwanted muting of words every minute or so .. Ken
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:02 PM To: Chris (KB2FAF) Cc: Ken; App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
But can you still reliably function the system? -- Tim :wq
I tried removing RADIO_RELAX but touch tone decoding was way too slow for my taste.
What would cause this error to happen? WARNING[20541] chan_usbradio.c: Error reading output space N5ZUA
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From: n5zua@earthlink.net To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:55:34 -0600 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Error Question
What would cause this error to happen?
WARNING[20541] chan_usbradio.c: Error reading output space
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I just tried this and it works GREAT! I used to see DTMF falsing on almost every transmission ... maybe 50 milliseconds or so when watching from the CLI at radio debug level 1. After the change, I see nothing, even when I lean on the mic and intentionally over deviate. I'm not noticing any delayed decoding of DTMF either. Thanks! N5ZUA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <ke2n@cs.com>
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES
Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install
There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think)
73
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users- bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Chris(KB2FAF) Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
Yup, this has worked very well. On 1/23/12 9:15 AM, "Steve Agee" <n5zua@earthlink.net> wrote:
I just tried this and it works GREAT!
I used to see DTMF falsing on almost every transmission ... maybe 50 milliseconds or so when watching from the CLI at radio debug level 1. After the change, I see nothing, even when I lean on the mic and intentionally over deviate. I'm not noticing any delayed decoding of DTMF either.
Thanks!
N5ZUA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <ke2n@cs.com>
My experience always has been that the standard install is WAY too sensitive to DTMF false decodes. There may be an easier way to do this (I hope to find), but, one way is to remove the RADIO_RELAX compiler flag in /usr/src/astsrc/asterisk/menuselect.makeopts it should read only: MENUSELECT_CFLAGS=LOADABLE_MODULES
Then cd astsrc And ./configure Make Make install
There is a menu for changing compiler flags in recent releases - you have to make the menuselect program when you do the install (I think)
73
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users- bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Chris(KB2FAF) Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] DTMF voice falsing
Hi,
I have been noticing an interesting problem. Audio drops on my repeater and link sporadically for maybe 500ms now and then as a conversation is taking place. If I watch debugging data from CLI it usually coincides with DTMF being sensed in certain voices. Is there a way to increase the time it takes for the system to recognize DTMF? Or is there something else going on.
Thanks for any pointers...
Chris
KB2FAF
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