Re: [App_rpt-users] External Controller Plus Allstar

12 Apr 2014

      I am completely confused by your first reply that said:

"If you are running a full simulcast/voted system, (multiple transmitters,
multiple receivers with ALL receivers and transmitters connected via
Allstar)  and want a backup RF link, you will need 3 total ports.  1 for the
repeater, 1 for the backup RF link and 1 for the RTCM.  Just treat the RTCM
like a "Link Radio" as that is basically what it is."

It's early now and I may be missing something. Are you suggesting that this
won't work? I of course mean no disrespect. I've just pulled a double shift
and I'm pretty beat and may not be understanding.

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From: KJ6KO [mailto:kj6ko@innercite.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:57 PM
To: Wayne
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] External Controller Plus Allstar

Well, I don't know how much help I can be here.  I don't use voting, don't
like it, never will, but that's me.  Trying to combine a voted system of
RTCM's into a regular RF link may be interesting.  Not sure how the RTCM
will react to a "link" input as it is used to discriminator input as far as
know.

There are people more familiar with RTCM's voting and simulcasting than I am
that may be able to help you.  

I use URI's and have just connected them directly to controller ports, like
you would a link radio, and they work and sound great!  I have even used
them as the controller and sound even better!

Sorry I can't be much more help than that!

good luck and 73 de Greg

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Wayne <mailto:wayne@anywherehost.net>  

To: 'app_rpt <mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>  mailing list' 

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] External Controller Plus Allstar

Hi Greg,

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

Our operational goal is a hybrid system that is voted and simulcast between
two repeaters 100 miles apart but overlapping input coverage. They have no
LOS. Site 1 and 2 are on a VLAN provided by the site vendor but Site 3 only
has wireless internet. We will be using a RF link. We don't want to use the
public internet.

Each location will also have a remote base and a WX receiver with a FIPS
code for that area only. Using some switching logic we will disconnect from
Allstar if the WX receiver triggers. No need to send marine weather alerts
to the desert.

The topology expected is Site 1 -> Site 2 (Allstar; voted), Site 1 -> Site 3
(RF link; different frequency). Since it isn't our VLAN we can't use
Ubiquity or similar to link to Site 3 as an unvoted device. There is also
significant overlap of outputs but I sure would love to be voted and have
only one pair. That would be so nice. We already have RC-210's so we don't
want to toss them aside and buy RTCM's as just controllers as has been
suggested. We will end up with RTCM's for the voting ($$$) and the RC-210's
for control. Using the RC-210's allows us cell phone access to the RC-210's
as well as through the remote bases.

As you probably know the RC-210's have a 4th port that is no frills. The WX
receivers can go on this "port".

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From: KJ6KO [mailto:kj6ko@innercite.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:48 PM
To: Wayne
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] External Controller Plus Allstar

Wayne, I think what we need is to figure out what exactly you are trying to
do.

  If you are running a full simulcast/voted system, (multiple transmitters,
multiple receivers with ALL receivers and transmitters connected via
Allstar)  and want a backup RF link, you will need 3 total ports.  1 for the
repeater, 1 for the backup RF link and 1 for the RTCM.  Just treat the RTCM
like a "Link Radio" as that is basically what it is.

  Since you are new to allstar, I assume that is not the case.  

If you are just trying to connect your repeater or repeater system to
Allstar, a RTCM is serious overkill!  I would recommend a DMK URI for 1/4
the price.  You can even use it as the controller and eliminate your current
unit!  It will still run as a standalone repeater when offline.

Does that help?

Let us know what you have and what you would like to do and we could
probably be more help.

73 de Greg  KJ6KO

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Wayne <mailto:wayne@anywherehost.net>  

To: 'app_rpt <mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>  mailing list' 

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:48 AM

Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] External Controller Plus Allstar

".If you mean you want to parallel app_rpt/allstar with a existing hardwired
controller, you will need to use "DUPLEX=0 & LINKTOLINK=YES" on the primary
node for that/each location.  It will give you the same fullduplex but with
no hang time etc that you can parallel with existing controller. A port on
your rc-210 if i remember them correct."

I sincerely appreciate the answer but as I mentioned I am new to Allstar. As
such I don't know how to ask the question. I received this reply and
appreciate the time it took to write. But I wonder if another user can offer
insight into wiring. Do I wire the Allstar device to Port 1 and then the
repeater to port 2? Do I keep the option of voted simulcast? Doing so only
leaves one port remaining. Am I missing something in the translation here?
Thank you. I appreciate your time.

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