How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements
I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals. Now I am helping a friend set up an AllStar site that will be used initially by an ARC then hopefully will get even wider use. At present we are using a simplex base station radio at 25 watts. One of the club members has suggested that we need to be sending out an ID every 10 minutes while the station is being used. Is this correct? If so, how would I trigger that in AllStar? I have looked pretty closely at the rpt.conf file and have read throughout he documentation. I doubt that we want to turn on the beaconing. All other lines of code concerning links and morse code are are still at the default settings. Is there a line of code I need to uncomment or add to enable this feature? Thanks of your help! George, K6GAZ
Do you have something similar to this in rpt.conf? idrecording=|iW3SBA idtime=600000 ; id interval time (in ms) (optional) politeid=3000 ; time in milliseconds before ID timer Also, in "duplex=" modes 0 and 1, if the transmitter is idle, it will not turn on the transmitter to send an ID. Even if the timer is due. It will send the ID if the transmitter is already up though. Take a look at : http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/128 http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/129 http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/87 And on http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/150 (undocumented features) I find the following rptinactmacro Macro to execute when inactivity timer expires rptinacttime Inactivity timer time in seconds (0 seconds disables feature) But I've never tried them to see if they work. Robert A. Poff Loganville, PA. "Lieutenant, target the offending power boat and launch photon torpedoes"
Why set it up as a SIMPLEX node?? Do yourself a favor and set it up DUPLEX and as a RPTR. Simply use a pair of Maxtracs/Radius on UHF.With a Simplex node your locked out as long as its talking. Set up as a RPTR you can have it ID anyway you like.... On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:24 AM, George Zolla <gazolla@san.rr.com> wrote:
I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals.
Now I am helping a friend set up an AllStar site that will be used initially by an ARC then hopefully will get even wider use. At present we are using a simplex base station radio at 25 watts. One of the club members has suggested that we need to be sending out an ID every 10 minutes while the station is being used. Is this correct? If so, how would I trigger that in AllStar? I have looked pretty closely at the rpt.conf file and have read throughout he documentation. I doubt that we want to turn on the beaconing. All other lines of code concerning links and morse code are are still at the default settings. Is there a line of code I need to uncomment or add to enable this feature?
Thanks of your help!
George, K6GAZ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
Is this a simplex node that is a "User" of a local repeater, or is it on a simplex channel? Jim WB6NIL Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:25:07 -1000 From: wb6egr@gmail.com To: gazolla@san.rr.com CC: ralph@ralphhowey.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org; wallyb1511@msn.com; kc5izr@gmail.com Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements Why set it up as a SIMPLEX node?? Do yourself a favor and set it up DUPLEX and as a RPTR. Simply use a pair of Maxtracs/Radius on UHF.With a Simplex node your locked out as long as its talking. Set up as a RPTR you can have it ID anyway you like.... On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:24 AM, George Zolla <gazolla@san.rr.com> wrote: I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals. Now I am helping a friend set up an AllStar site that will be used initially by an ARC then hopefully will get even wider use. At present we are using a simplex base station radio at 25 watts. One of the club members has suggested that we need to be sending out an ID every 10 minutes while the station is being used. Is this correct? If so, how would I trigger that in AllStar? I have looked pretty closely at the rpt.conf file and have read throughout he documentation. I doubt that we want to turn on the beaconing. All other lines of code concerning links and morse code are are still at the default settings. Is there a line of code I need to uncomment or add to enable this feature? Thanks of your help! George, K6GAZ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
JIm, With the help of several answers I received, I think i have this figured out. I had my rpt.conf set up with the following default line of code: duplex=0 According to Robert: "Also, in "duplex=" modes 0 and 1, if the transmitter is idle, it will not turn on the transmitter to send an ID. Even if the timer is due. It will send the ID if the transmitter is already up though." When I set the duplex=2, the ID came through. When I set it to duplex=1 and was receiving a TX at 9 minutes I also heard the ID. I will continue testing. Thanks for all your help and suggestions to improve the system. BTW - We do plan to hook up a second radio and make it a real repeater. George K6GAZ On Mar 22, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Jim Duuuude <telesistant@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this a simplex node that is a "User" of a local repeater, or is it on a simplex channel?
Jim WB6NIL
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:25:07 -1000 From: wb6egr@gmail.com To: gazolla@san.rr.com CC: ralph@ralphhowey.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org; wallyb1511@msn.com; kc5izr@gmail.com Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements
Why set it up as a SIMPLEX node?? Do yourself a favor and set it up DUPLEX and as a RPTR. Simply use a pair of Maxtracs/Radius on UHF.With a Simplex node your locked out as long as its talking. Set up as a RPTR you can have it ID anyway you like....
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:24 AM, George Zolla <gazolla@san.rr.com> wrote: I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals.
Now I am helping a friend set up an AllStar site that will be used initially by an ARC then hopefully will get even wider use. At present we are using a simplex base station radio at 25 watts. One of the club members has suggested that we need to be sending out an ID every 10 minutes while the station is being used. Is this correct? If so, how would I trigger that in AllStar? I have looked pretty closely at the rpt.conf file and have read throughout he documentation. I doubt that we want to turn on the beaconing. All other lines of code concerning links and morse code are are still at the default settings. Is there a line of code I need to uncomment or add to enable this feature?
Thanks of your help!
George, K6GAZ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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You MOST CERTAINLY DO have to send an ID! It's this kind of attitude that generates unknown interference on frequencies improperly used! 73 Jim W7RY I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals. George, K6GAZ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
I forgot to add... By mysterious un -identified transmitters. 73 Jim W7RY -----Original Message----- From: Jim W7RY Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 8:26 PM To: George Zolla ; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Cc: Ralph Howey ; Chris Drummond ; Wally Baker Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements You MOST CERTAINLY DO have to send an ID! It's this kind of attitude that generates unknown interference on frequencies improperly used! 73 Jim W7RY I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals. George, K6GAZ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
Station identification is only required at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication. Beaconing (IDing at intervals) is not required, but probably not a bad idea. If it is for personal use only, you might want to consider cutting the power and antenna to meet part 15 rather than part 97 and you won't have to ID at all? --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Jim W7RY <w7ry@centurytel.net> wrote: From: Jim W7RY <w7ry@centurytel.net> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements To: "George Zolla" <gazolla@san.rr.com>, app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Cc: "Ralph Howey" <ralph@ralphhowey.com>, "Chris Drummond" <kc5izr@gmail.com>, "Wally Baker" <wallyb1511@msn.com> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 3:26 AM You MOST CERTAINLY DO have to send an ID! It's this kind of attitude that generates unknown interference on frequencies improperly used! 73 Jim W7RY I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals. George, K6GAZ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:20 AM, Bill South <wbs099@yahoo.com> wrote:
Station identification is only required at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication. Beaconing (IDing at intervals) is not required, but probably not a bad idea.
Beaconing is illegal. The only place where I know it's required is in the UK. Any repeater or simplex node must identify every 10 minutes when in use, per FCC requirements. Matt Roberts n9gmr@me.com Call Sign N9GMR Allstar 28142 EchoLink 640860
Please point me to the part 97 rules that state beaconing is illegal. 73 Jim W7RY -----Original Message----- From: Matt Roberts Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:38 AM To: Bill South Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:20 AM, Bill South <wbs099@yahoo.com> wrote:
Station identification is only required at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication. Beaconing (IDing at intervals) is not required, but probably not a bad idea.
Beaconing is illegal. The only place where I know it's required is in the UK. Any repeater or simplex node must identify every 10 minutes when in use, per FCC requirements. Matt Roberts n9gmr@me.com Call Sign N9GMR Allstar 28142 EchoLink 640860 _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
Whoa Nellie! On Amateur frequencies, you can't throw the Part 97 rules out the window and just declare you are now under part 15, whether or not you lower power and use less antenna. If people did that we would have repeaters full of bootleggers saying they were "part 15" and didn't need no steenkin license. And his personal base station has to abide some other rules as well, such as those concerning auxiliary operation, and repeater subbands, etc. From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Bill South Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:21 AM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements Station identification is only required at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication. Beaconing (IDing at intervals) is not required, but probably not a bad idea. If it is for personal use only, you might want to consider cutting the power and antenna to meet part 15 rather than part 97 and you won't have to ID at all? --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Jim W7RY <w7ry@centurytel.net <mailto:w7ry@centurytel.net> > wrote: From: Jim W7RY <w7ry@centurytel.net <mailto:w7ry@centurytel.net> > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements To: "George Zolla" <gazolla@san.rr.com <mailto:gazolla@san.rr.com> >, app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Cc: "Ralph Howey" <ralph@ralphhowey.com <mailto:ralph@ralphhowey.com> >, "Chris Drummond" <kc5izr@gmail.com <mailto:kc5izr@gmail.com> >, "Wally Baker" <wallyb1511@msn.com <mailto:wallyb1511@msn.com> > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 3:26 AM You MOST CERTAINLY DO have to send an ID! It's this kind of attitude that generates unknown interference on frequencies improperly used! 73 Jim W7RY I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals. George, K6GAZ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <http://us.mc1614.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <http://us.mc1614.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
Actually, he CAN operate Part 15, but it is not as simple as saying, "reduce your power to X milliwatts". Part 15.109B is a table for intentional radiators which shows that in the range of 216-960 MHz he must not exceed 210 microvolts per meter, measured at a distance of 10 meters. To comply with this, he must factor in not only the power of the transmitter, but loss of transmission line as well as gain of antenna for over all ERP viewed as a complete system. The table in Part 15.205 restricts operation to only spurious emissions in certain frequency ranges, but 2 meters and 70 centimeters are not listed and therefore not restricted from Part 15. Quoting directly from the ARRL web site .... In the amateur 2-meter band, for example, these regulations would permit an intentional radiator to run a transmitter power of about 4 nanowatts into a half-wave dipole, resulting in a field strength of 150 microvolts/meter at a point 3 meters away from the dipole center. To relate this to receiver S unit readings (50 uV at 50 ohms = S9 and an S unit = 6 dB), a 144-MHz field of 150 microvolts/meter would result in an S9 meter reading if 2.2 dBi gain antennas were used on each end (half-wave dipoles in free space). Of course, this is only 3 meters from the source. If the source were located 30 meters away, the signal would be about an S6. On 3.5 MHz, the permitted field strength is 30 microvolts/meter at 30 meters distance. A field of this strength would give an S9+15 dB reading to a half-wave dipole on 80 meters. N5ZUA ========== ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements Whoa Nellie! On Amateur frequencies, you can't throw the Part 97 rules out the window and just declare you are now under part 15, whether or not you lower power and use less antenna. If people did that we would have repeaters full of bootleggers saying they were "part 15" and didn't need no steenkin license. And his personal base station has to abide some other rules as well, such as those concerning auxiliary operation, and repeater subbands, etc. ========== From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Bill South Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:21 AM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements Station identification is only required at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication. Beaconing (IDing at intervals) is not required, but probably not a bad idea. If it is for personal use only, you might want to consider cutting the power and antenna to meet part 15 rather than part 97 and you won't have to ID at all? ========== --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Jim W7RY <w7ry@centurytel.net> wrote: From: Jim W7RY <w7ry@centurytel.net> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements To: "George Zolla" <gazolla@san.rr.com>, app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Cc: "Ralph Howey" <ralph@ralphhowey.com>, "Chris Drummond" <kc5izr@gmail.com>, "Wally Baker" <wallyb1511@msn.com> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 3:26 AM You MOST CERTAINLY DO have to send an ID! It's this kind of attitude that generates unknown interference on frequencies improperly used! 73 Jim W7RY I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals. George, K6GAZ
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