There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org. I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time. First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario. Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money. Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today. Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say. The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions. -- Tim WD6AWP
Tim, Speaking entirely for myself and by myself, I have been part of many different 'open source' projects over time. They loose my participation when I see someone trying to carve a niche out for themselves. I'm not interested in contributing to anyone's profitability or fame. It is the whole point. Folks contribute what they can and everyone benefits ! This group has nothing to worry about except that I may not go away... LOL. Been here 'bout 10 years I think. Been with open source Asterisk even longer, but contribute nothing to the outside of my own personal use gizmo's. But folks will believe what they want regardless of how we speak of it. I rather not speak against anything, but Pro/for this-or-that. And I am for open source. We have that. Just wanted to inject some perspective. It has been a successful project and continues to grow. ...mike/kb8jnm On 9/16/2018 5:11 PM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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Tim, As many of you know I have moved over into the dmr world and do still have a few allstar nodes up and running. One is 8-10 years old, hasn’t had internet, and have never touched asterisk afterwards. One of the things I did not miss was the hamvoip team. I got into it with them a couple of times over codecs and proved my testing with a service monitor. To them it still wasn’t true and I just got tired of it. It doesn’t look like much has changed. Of course dmr has its own politics as well... If it has gone on this long I doubt you are ever going to see things change because they weren’t given the keys to the castle that they wanted so much... Corey. N3FE On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 5:11 PM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since. It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them. Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to? Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863 From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Politics There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org. I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time. First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario. Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money. Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today. Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say. The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions. -- Tim WD6AWP
Tim, First off, I would like to thank you for all the work and time that you have donated to the AllstarLink.org ham community in general. I know that your heart is in the right place and that you only want to see what is best for the Allstarlink.org ham community while at the same time supporting what Jim Dixons vision was for Allstarlink. I have been silently watching for more than a year now with regards to the two individuals behind HamVOIP and the mis-information they have been spreading on their arm_allstar moderated email list, their HamVOIP website and in direct private emails that they send to other hams who have asked technical questions on the app_rpt email list and are new to Allstarlink. It saddens me to see HamVOIP trying and break apart and fracture the AllstarLink.org community with mis-information.
From my observation I can honestly say that all the folks involved with AllstarLink.org are truly trying to keep Allstarlink going and supporting Jim Dixons vision.
Tim, I appreciate you speaking up and telling the truth about what is actually happening behind the scenes so that community will know the truth. I knew Jim Dixon, WB6NIL very well and for many years, one of my node numbers is 2065. We were close friends and spoke on the phone or radio once a week. I would go along with Jim to various repeater sites here is southern California to help him install and maintain his AllstarLink repeaters on various hilltops. Along with knowing Jim very well, I have also been friends with Steve Rodgers, WA6ZFT. Steve Rodgers was also one of Jim Dixons close friends and a substantial contributor the app_rpt software and AllstarLink projects. As seen in the 4th line of text posted in the header of the source code for app_rpt which reads. /* * Asterisk -- An open source telephony toolkit. * * Copyright (C) 2002-2014, Jim Dixon, WB6NIL * * Jim Dixon, WB6NIL <jim@lambdatel.com> * Serious contributions by Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT <hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> * * See http://www.asterisk.org for more information about * the Asterisk project. Please do not directly contact * any of the maintainers of this project for assistance; * the project provides a web site, mailing lists and IRC * channels for your use. * * This program is free software, distributed under the terms of * the GNU General Public License Version 2. See the LICENSE file * at the top of the source tree. */ I can honestly say that it was Jims wish and vision for Allstarlink software app_rpt to always be open source for the betterment of the ham community. The HamVOIP developers have taken Jims work of the App_rpt software and made improvements to the code for arm based systems, the BIG problem is that they will not keep in the spirit of ham radio, Allstarklink, or Jim Dixons WB6NIL wishes and share their source code so that the rest of the ham community can benefit. They keep making silly excuses. Today I could no longer sit by and watch the mis-information being spread by HamVOIP, I sent Steve Rodgers, WA6ZFT and email asking him to re-affirm who was to be in-charge of AllstarLink. Here is his response to my email which is included. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rodgers [mailto:steve@rodgers619.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:48 AM To: Marshall Oldham Cc: 'Tim Sawyer' Subject: Re: AllstarLink Community Hi Marshall, I really don't want to thrust myself into this, as I have no time for it. However here is my personal statement... HamVOIP was NEVER given control of Allstarlink.org. In fact Jim Dixon ran into conflict from Mr. Crompton from the get-go. I assisted with the transferring of Allstarlink to Steve Zingman after Jim Dixon passed away. Steve Zingman and his group were the intended management team from that point in time forward. Thanks, Steve WA6ZFT On 09/16/2018 10:26 AM, Marshall Oldham wrote:
Steve,
We really need to talk when you have sometime.
These HamVOIP folks (David McGough, KB4FXC, and Doug Crompton, WA3DSP) are really twisting the truth and what Jim's
wishes were for the overall future of AllstarLink Software and the ham community.
They have closed Allstar_arm, email list that they moderate so that there users never get the truth. They
continue to bash the official Allstarlink folks on their own list.
Read the second and third paragraphs of their webpage.
They (HamVOIP) have been publicly claiming that the folks that have been running Allstarlink since Jim's passing had no right.
And that the folks that took over really didn't have the understanding or knowledge of just how to run Allstarlink.
Which is not true. You know the folks that you asked to step in and help continue the future or Allstarlink. I
have been helping when I can and think that they are all working hard and doing a good job of seeing out Jim's vision
for the future of Allstarlink.
They (HamVOIP) are also claiming that one individual took over control and moved the servers all on his own. Which is
not true. There are many folks involved working hard to make things better.
They (HamVOIP) are trying to make the general ham community think that there is only one person in control of servers
and started a coup. Which is not true.
I believe (HamVOIP) is trying to mislead and fracture the Allstarlink community so that they can have control. This will
be a sad if it happens.
As one of Jim's closest friends and a contributor of app_rpt software, I think we need to have you make a public
statement of Jim's vision of Allstarlink software being open source to the ham community.
The HamVOIP folks have stolen Jim's work and not released the source code, and have even tried to claim that Jim was okay
with them not releasing the source code.
Please read about this on the following link.
https://old.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/9ff5pw/state_of_affairs_for_a...
Please help us out with this situation.
Marshall - ke6pcv
I am publicly asking the developers of HamVOIP group to stop spreading mis-information or posting information that they really do not know about. I am publicly asking the developers of HamVOIP group to post and share their source code for the betterment of the ham community. Let's all work together instead of against each other. 73 Marshall - ke6pcv From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: [App_rpt-users] Politics There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org. I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time. First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario. Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money. Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today. Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say. The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions. -- Tim WD6AWP
Let’s not forget, either, that no source code is yet in evidence. Sure, they’re welcome to close source their own drivers, like the fabled Iopipe sound module that’s in the works, but what about mods to app_rpt.c, chan_echolink.c, and others? I’m fairly certain that the GPL is pretty clear in this regard.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Corey Dean <n3fe@repeater.net> wrote:
Tim,
As many of you know I have moved over into the dmr world and do still have a few allstar nodes up and running. One is 8-10 years old, hasn’t had internet, and have never touched asterisk afterwards. One of the things I did not miss was the hamvoip team. I got into it with them a couple of times over codecs and proved my testing with a service monitor. To them it still wasn’t true and I just got tired of it. It doesn’t look like much has changed. Of course dmr has its own politics as well...
If it has gone on this long I doubt you are ever going to see things change because they weren’t given the keys to the castle that they wanted so much...
Corey. N3FE
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 5:11 PM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer@gmail.com <mailto:tisawyer@gmail.com>> wrote:
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still. As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com> <k7ilo1@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since.
It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them.
Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to?
Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863
From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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Hi Marshall, I’d only had the pleasure of chatting with the duuuuuuuuuuude a couple of times. Each time was an absolute pleasure, Jim was always, always helpful, never acted like I was a drain on his time, and did I mention ws always very helpful? Oh sure. Snarky, especially on the email reflector, but always helpful, and I always took any remarks in a more lighthearted spirit of delivery. And, with all that, Jim was, as best I can recall, a fierce, very fierce advocate of openness. Not just open source, not just free software, but a fully open network. I remember in at least one email that he would have it that any node connected to the public All Star Link network would either use standard codes for connections to other nodes, or publish the connect codes, so that any visitor could access any node, make use of it, and connect back home let’s say, or connect to other friends while away from home and what have you. He was also, again from my recollection, a proponent of the ability to interconnect networks, but if you didn’t want that (reference IRLP), he had respect for their wishes. Essentially, do what you like, but please share with the rest of the class seemed to be his guiding philosophy, certainly with this community. Matter of fact, he wanted more participation, more coders, more people to make interesting and cool things happen and, again, share with the rest of the class. I, for one, am happy to see ASL Inc. carry on this vision. It’s a dirty rotten crying shame that other groups in our community do not have the same vision for what has been built. Vy 73, de KB5ELV
On Sep 16, 2018, at 8:51 PM, Marshall Oldham <ke6pcv@cal-net.org> wrote:
Tim,
First off, I would like to thank you for all the work and time that you have donated to the AllstarLink.org <http://allstarlink.org/> ham community in general.
I know that your heart is in the right place and that you only want to see what is best for the Allstarlink.org <http://allstarlink.org/> ham community while at the same time supporting what Jim Dixons vision was for Allstarlink.
I have been silently watching for more than a year now with regards to the two individuals behind HamVOIP and the mis-information they have been spreading on their arm_allstar moderated email list, their HamVOIP website and in direct private emails that they send to other hams who have asked technical questions on the app_rpt email list and are new to Allstarlink.
It saddens me to see HamVOIP trying and break apart and fracture the AllstarLink.org <http://allstarlink.org/>community with mis-information.
From my observation I can honestly say that all the folks involved with AllstarLink.org <http://allstarlink.org/> are truly trying to keep Allstarlink going and supporting Jim Dixons vision.
Tim, I appreciate you speaking up and telling the truth about what is actually happening behind the scenes so that community will know the truth.
I knew Jim Dixon, WB6NIL very well and for many years, one of my node numbers is 2065. We were close friends and spoke on the phone or radio once a week. I would go along with Jim to various repeater sites here is southern California to help him install and maintain his AllstarLink repeaters on various hilltops. Along with knowing Jim very well, I have also been friends with Steve Rodgers, WA6ZFT. Steve Rodgers was also one of Jim Dixons close friends and a substantial contributor the app_rpt software and AllstarLink projects.
As seen in the 4th line of text posted in the header of the source code for app_rpt which reads.
/* * Asterisk -- An open source telephony toolkit. * * Copyright (C) 2002-2014 <tel:2002-2014>, Jim Dixon, WB6NIL * * Jim Dixon, WB6NIL <jim@lambdatel.com <mailto:jim@lambdatel.com>> * Serious contributions by Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT <hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com <mailto:hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>> * * See http://www.asterisk.org <http://www.asterisk.org/> for more information about * the Asterisk project. Please do not directly contact * any of the maintainers of this project for assistance; * the project provides a web site, mailing lists and IRC * channels for your use. * * This program is free software, distributed under the terms of * the GNU General Public License Version 2. See the LICENSE file * at the top of the source tree. */
I can honestly say that it was Jims wish and vision for Allstarlink software app_rpt to always be open source for the betterment of the ham community.
The HamVOIP developers have taken Jims work of the App_rpt software and made improvements to the code for arm based systems, the BIG problem is that they will not keep in the spirit of ham radio, Allstarklink, or Jim Dixons WB6NIL wishes and share their source code so that the rest of the ham community can benefit. They keep making silly excuses.
Today I could no longer sit by and watch the mis-information being spread by HamVOIP, I sent Steve Rodgers, WA6ZFT and email asking him to re-affirm who was to be in-charge of AllstarLink.
Here is his response to my email which is included.
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Rodgers [mailto:steve@rodgers619.com <mailto:steve@rodgers619.com>] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:48 AM To: Marshall Oldham Cc: 'Tim Sawyer' Subject: Re: AllstarLink Community
Hi Marshall,
I really don't want to thrust myself into this, as I have no time for it. However here is my personal statement...
HamVOIP was NEVER given control of Allstarlink.org <http://allstarlink.org/>. In fact Jim Dixon ran into conflict from Mr. Crompton from the get-go. I assisted with the transferring of Allstarlink to Steve Zingman after Jim Dixon passed away. Steve Zingman and his group were the intended management team from that point in time forward.
Thanks,
Steve WA6ZFT
On 09/16/2018 10:26 AM, Marshall Oldham wrote:
Steve,
We really need to talk when you have sometime.
These HamVOIP folks (David McGough, KB4FXC, and Doug Crompton, WA3DSP) are really twisting the truth and what Jim's wishes were for the overall future of AllstarLink Software and the ham community.
They have closed Allstar_arm, email list that they moderate so that there users never get the truth. They continue to bash the official Allstarlink folks on their own list.
Read the second and third paragraphs of their webpage.
https://hamvoip.org/ <https://hamvoip.org/>
They (HamVOIP) have been publicly claiming that the folks that have been running Allstarlink since Jim's passing had no right. And that the folks that took over really didn't have the understanding or knowledge of just how to run Allstarlink. Which is not true. You know the folks that you asked to step in and help continue the future or Allstarlink. I have been helping when I can and think that they are all working hard and doing a good job of seeing out Jim's vision for the future of Allstarlink.
They (HamVOIP) are also claiming that one individual took over control and moved the servers all on his own. Which is not true. There are many folks involved working hard to make things better.
They (HamVOIP) are trying to make the general ham community think that there is only one person in control of servers and started a coup. Which is not true.
I believe (HamVOIP) is trying to mislead and fracture the Allstarlink community so that they can have control. This will be a sad if it happens.
As one of Jim's closest friends and a contributor of app_rpt software, I think we need to have you make a public statement of Jim's vision of Allstarlink software being open source to the ham community.
The HamVOIP folks have stolen Jim's work and not released the source code, and have even tried to claim that Jim was okay with them not releasing the source code.
Please read about this on the following link.
https://old.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/9ff5pw/state_of_affairs_for_a... <https://old.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/9ff5pw/state_of_affairs_for_allstarlink_hamvoip_the_gpl/>
Please help us out with this situation.
Marshall - ke6pcv
I am publicly asking the developers of HamVOIP group to stop spreading mis-information or posting information that they really do not know about.
I am publicly asking the developers of HamVOIP group to post and share their source code for the betterment of the ham community.
Let's all work together instead of against each other.
73
Marshall - ke6pcv
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org>] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: [App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org <http://hamvoip.org/>.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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Ditto here. Never had the pleasure of a F2F, but worked with him on the original Ranger stuff (still have my node up, and still works) as well as the filing that the ARRL had a fit over (their comment: “what gives you the right to suggest something like this without OUR involvement...” and some network security questions in IAX that got quietly coded into the release back in ‘14 or so. His view was in the best spirit of “you can achieve the impossible if you don’t worry about who gets the credit” and open and respectful dialogue and cooperation. As an old AT&T-er, we connected on that level, sharing, all too infrequently, insights into the teleco transmission space; I like to think his keen mind gave us an architecture and way forward that, if we continue on the open collaboration path, and put ego aside, benefits ALL of us. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Sep 17, 2018, at 01:14, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Hi Marshall,
I’d only had the pleasure of chatting with the duuuuuuuuuuude a couple of times. Each time was an absolute pleasure, Jim was always, always helpful, never acted like I was a drain on his time, and did I mention ws always very helpful? Oh sure. Snarky, especially on the email reflector, but always helpful, and I always took any remarks in a more lighthearted spirit of delivery. And, with all that, Jim was, as best I can recall, a fierce, very fierce advocate of openness. Not just open source, not just free software, but a fully open network. I remember in at least one email that he would have it that any node connected to the public All Star Link network would either use standard codes for connections to other nodes, or publish the connect codes, so that any visitor could access any node, make use of it, and connect back home let’s say, or connect to other friends while away from home and what have you. He was also, again from my recollection, a proponent of the ability to interconnect networks, but if you didn’t want that (reference IRLP), he had respect for their wishes. Essentially, do what you like, but please share with the rest of the class seemed to be his guiding philosophy, certainly with this community. Matter of fact, he wanted more participation, more coders, more people to make interesting and cool things happen and, again, share with the rest of the class. I, for one, am happy to see ASL Inc. carry on this vision. It’s a dirty rotten crying shame that other groups in our community do not have the same vision for what has been built.
Vy 73, de KB5ELV
On Sep 16, 2018, at 8:51 PM, Marshall Oldham <ke6pcv@cal-net.org> wrote:
Tim,
First off, I would like to thank you for all the work and time that you have donated to the AllstarLink.org ham community in general.
I know that your heart is in the right place and that you only want to see what is best for the Allstarlink.org ham community while at the same time supporting what Jim Dixons vision was for Allstarlink.
I have been silently watching for more than a year now with regards to the two individuals behind HamVOIP and the mis-information they have been spreading on their arm_allstar moderated email list, their HamVOIP website and in direct private emails that they send to other hams who have asked technical questions on the app_rpt email list and are new to Allstarlink.
It saddens me to see HamVOIP trying and break apart and fracture the AllstarLink.orgcommunity with mis-information.
From my observation I can honestly say that all the folks involved with AllstarLink.org are truly trying to keep Allstarlink going and supporting Jim Dixons vision.
Tim, I appreciate you speaking up and telling the truth about what is actually happening behind the scenes so that community will know the truth.
I knew Jim Dixon, WB6NIL very well and for many years, one of my node numbers is 2065. We were close friends and spoke on the phone or radio once a week. I would go along with Jim to various repeater sites here is southern California to help him install and maintain his AllstarLink repeaters on various hilltops. Along with knowing Jim very well, I have also been friends with Steve Rodgers, WA6ZFT. Steve Rodgers was also one of Jim Dixons close friends and a substantial contributor the app_rpt software and AllstarLink projects.
As seen in the 4th line of text posted in the header of the source code for app_rpt which reads.
/* * Asterisk -- An open source telephony toolkit. * * Copyright (C) 2002-2014, Jim Dixon, WB6NIL * * Jim Dixon, WB6NIL <jim@lambdatel.com> * Serious contributions by Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT <hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> * * See http://www.asterisk.org for more information about * the Asterisk project. Please do not directly contact * any of the maintainers of this project for assistance; * the project provides a web site, mailing lists and IRC * channels for your use. * * This program is free software, distributed under the terms of * the GNU General Public License Version 2. See the LICENSE file * at the top of the source tree. */
I can honestly say that it was Jims wish and vision for Allstarlink software app_rpt to always be open source for the betterment of the ham community.
The HamVOIP developers have taken Jims work of the App_rpt software and made improvements to the code for arm based systems, the BIG problem is that they will not keep in the spirit of ham radio, Allstarklink, or Jim Dixons WB6NIL wishes and share their source code so that the rest of the ham community can benefit. They keep making silly excuses.
Today I could no longer sit by and watch the mis-information being spread by HamVOIP, I sent Steve Rodgers, WA6ZFT and email asking him to re-affirm who was to be in-charge of AllstarLink.
Here is his response to my email which is included.
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Rodgers [mailto:steve@rodgers619.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:48 AM To: Marshall Oldham Cc: 'Tim Sawyer' Subject: Re: AllstarLink Community
Hi Marshall,
I really don't want to thrust myself into this, as I have no time for it. However here is my personal statement...
HamVOIP was NEVER given control of Allstarlink.org. In fact Jim Dixon ran into conflict from Mr. Crompton from the get-go. I assisted with the transferring of Allstarlink to Steve Zingman after Jim Dixon passed away. Steve Zingman and his group were the intended management team from that point in time forward.
Thanks,
Steve WA6ZFT
On 09/16/2018 10:26 AM, Marshall Oldham wrote:
Steve,
We really need to talk when you have sometime.
These HamVOIP folks (David McGough, KB4FXC, and Doug Crompton, WA3DSP) are really twisting the truth and what Jim's wishes were for the overall future of AllstarLink Software and the ham community.
They have closed Allstar_arm, email list that they moderate so that there users never get the truth. They continue to bash the official Allstarlink folks on their own list.
Read the second and third paragraphs of their webpage.
They (HamVOIP) have been publicly claiming that the folks that have been running Allstarlink since Jim's passing had no right. And that the folks that took over really didn't have the understanding or knowledge of just how to run Allstarlink. Which is not true. You know the folks that you asked to step in and help continue the future or Allstarlink. I have been helping when I can and think that they are all working hard and doing a good job of seeing out Jim's vision for the future of Allstarlink.
They (HamVOIP) are also claiming that one individual took over control and moved the servers all on his own. Which is not true. There are many folks involved working hard to make things better.
They (HamVOIP) are trying to make the general ham community think that there is only one person in control of servers and started a coup. Which is not true.
I believe (HamVOIP) is trying to mislead and fracture the Allstarlink community so that they can have control. This will be a sad if it happens.
As one of Jim's closest friends and a contributor of app_rpt software, I think we need to have you make a public statement of Jim's vision of Allstarlink software being open source to the ham community.
The HamVOIP folks have stolen Jim's work and not released the source code, and have even tried to claim that Jim was okay with them not releasing the source code.
Please read about this on the following link.
https://old.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/9ff5pw/state_of_affairs_for_a...
Please help us out with this situation.
Marshall - ke6pcv
I am publicly asking the developers of HamVOIP group to stop spreading mis-information or posting information that they really do not know about.
I am publicly asking the developers of HamVOIP group to post and share their source code for the betterment of the ham community.
Let's all work together instead of against each other.
73
Marshall - ke6pcv
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: [App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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I'm recently back into ham radio a little bit after being away for many years and was happy to see open source asterisk being used. When I began searching the net for the latest version of app_rpt.c I was totally and completely shocked at what I discovered. I still am. That's totally not in the spirit of open source or ham radio.
It was the helical magnetic loop antenna group on yahoo who was supposedly created by K8NDS. If I remember correctly it was he that wanted to start a petition with the FCC about some up coming considerations they (the FCC) had about licensing or something like that. In a roundabout way he used the no code techs as A blame for the way HF has become. I don’t remember exactly plus I said what I had to say and dropped the group immediately after that because I didn’t want to hear any justification of the bad attitude these guy, and im sure many others had about that. As far as that other group that had emailed me, ill see if I still have the personal email from that group. I think I was asking this group about the usb fob concerning COR and PTT and then I got the PM from someone pointing me to that website and how it was much better and asterisk was junk. Oh well. Im still here. Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863 From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:03 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Politics Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still. As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so. On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com> > <k7ilo1@gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com> > wrote: I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since. It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them. Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to? Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863 From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> > On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> > Subject: [App_rpt-users] Politics There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org <http://hamVoIP.org> . I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time. First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario. Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money. Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today. Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say. The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions. -- Tim WD6AWP _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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As far as that other group that had emailed me, ill see if I still have the personal email from that group. I think I was asking this group about the usb fob concerning COR and PTT and then I got the PM from someone pointing me to that website and how it was much better and asterisk was junk. HamVoIP admits they have done that and don't think it's wrong. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:55 PM <k7ilo1@gmail.com> wrote:
It was the helical magnetic loop antenna group on yahoo who was supposedly created by K8NDS.
If I remember correctly it was he that wanted to start a petition with the FCC about some up coming considerations they (the FCC) had
about licensing or something like that. In a roundabout way he used the no code techs as A blame for the way HF has become.
I don’t remember exactly plus I said what I had to say and dropped the group immediately after that because I didn’t want to hear any justification
of the bad attitude these guy, and im sure many others had about that.
As far as that other group that had emailed me, ill see if I still have the personal email from that group. I think I was asking this group about the usb fob concerning COR and PTT and then I got
the PM from someone pointing me to that website and how it was much better and asterisk was junk.
Oh well.
Im still here.
Harold
K7ILO
Las Vegas, NV.
Node 27863
*From:* App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> *On Behalf Of *Buddy Brannan *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:03 PM *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] Politics
Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still.
As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com> <k7ilo1@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them.
They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point.
The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group.
I never pursued their website or anything else about them since.
It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said.
It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em.
Which I took personal because Im one of them.
Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to?
Harold
K7ILO
Las Vegas, NV.
Node 27863
*From:* App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> *On Behalf Of *Tim Sawyer *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> *Subject:* [App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
--
Tim WD6AWP
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I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon, wich I dont remember the name. Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> a écrit :
Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still.
As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com> <k7ilo1@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since.
It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them.
Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to?
Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863
*From:* App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> *On Behalf Of *Tim Sawyer *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> *Subject:* [App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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Supermon is based on my Allmon 2 software https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 which I give freely to anyone who wants it with no restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their total disregard for fairness. But it's more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon the knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP took Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours of development by countless people and closed it, ending the path to the next level of knowledge. Think about where we'd be if no one shared their knowledge. "We stand on the shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be standing on HamVoIP's shoulders. HamVoIP (David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon 2. A whole lot more of that should be happening. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon, wich I dont remember the name.
Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> a écrit :
Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still.
As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com> <k7ilo1@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since.
It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them.
Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to?
Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863
*From:* App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> *On Behalf Of *Tim Sawyer *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> *Subject:* [App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
-- Tim WD6AWP _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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I have been seeing some of theses posts.. But what the heck is going on???????????? Is this over the whole deal where i am degrading the product or what ever because of my purchase of voipham.com? I created it originally to be a tutorial kinda page for those of us that had trouble installing allstar link back in the day.. Yeah i know its about 5 or 6 years old now and i haven't done much with it since my accident in October of 2014 and sorry about that.. Also Tim I am looking at digging a bit further into allmon will update things eventually but was looking at making it more mobile compliant that sort of thing and possibly locking it down with like an admin page using MySQL database or some thing.. Just haven't gotten around to having Mark to help me with some of that since i have forgotten just about all of it now. Anyway still trying to figure out exactly what i missed that started this whole political incorrectness or what ever.. Thank You all involved :) Keep up the good work! Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) On 9/18/2018 9:11 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
Supermon is based on my Allmon 2 software https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 which I give freely to anyone who wants it with no restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their total disregard for fairness.
But it's more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon the knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP took Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours of development by countless people and closed it, ending the path to the next level of knowledge. Think about where we'd be if no one shared their knowledge. "We stand on the shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be standing on HamVoIP's shoulders.
HamVoIP (David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon 2. A whole lot more of that should be happening.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com <mailto:petem001@gmail.com>> wrote:
I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon, wich I dont remember the name.
Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name <mailto:buddy@brannan.name>> a écrit :
Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still.
As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com>> <k7ilo1@gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since. It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them. Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to? Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863 *From:*App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org>>*On Behalf Of*Tim Sawyer *Sent:*Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM *To:*Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>> *Subject:*[App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org <http://hamVoIP.org>. I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time. First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario. Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money. Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today. Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say. The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions. -- Tim WD6AWP _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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Loren, Everyone is referring to hamvoip.org On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:05 AM Loren Tedford <loren@lorentedford.com> wrote:
I have been seeing some of theses posts.. But what the heck is going on????????????
Is this over the whole deal where i am degrading the product or what ever because of my purchase of voipham.com? I created it originally to be a tutorial kinda page for those of us that had trouble installing allstar link back in the day.. Yeah i know its about 5 or 6 years old now and i haven't done much with it since my accident in October of 2014 and sorry about that.. Also Tim I am looking at digging a bit further into allmon will update things eventually but was looking at making it more mobile compliant that sort of thing and possibly locking it down with like an admin page using MySQL database or some thing.. Just haven't gotten around to having Mark to help me with some of that since i have forgotten just about all of it now.
Anyway still trying to figure out exactly what i missed that started this whole political incorrectness or what ever..
Thank You all involved :) Keep up the good work!
Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
On 9/18/2018 9:11 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
Supermon is based on my Allmon 2 software https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 which I give freely to anyone who wants it with no restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their total disregard for fairness.
But it's more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon the knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP took Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours of development by countless people and closed it, ending the path to the next level of knowledge. Think about where we'd be if no one shared their knowledge. "We stand on the shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be standing on HamVoIP's shoulders.
HamVoIP (David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon 2. A whole lot more of that should be happening.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon, wich I dont remember the name.
Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> a écrit :
Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still.
As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com> <k7ilo1@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since.
It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them.
Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to?
Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863
From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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Loren, Hamvoip.com not voipham.com. Didn't know about voipham.com. If I transposed the URL in one of my emails, my apologies. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:06 AM Loren Tedford <loren@lorentedford.com> wrote:
I have been seeing some of theses posts.. But what the heck is going on????????????
Is this over the whole deal where i am degrading the product or what ever because of my purchase of voipham.com? I created it originally to be a tutorial kinda page for those of us that had trouble installing allstar link back in the day.. Yeah i know its about 5 or 6 years old now and i haven't done much with it since my accident in October of 2014 and sorry about that.. Also Tim I am looking at digging a bit further into allmon will update things eventually but was looking at making it more mobile compliant that sort of thing and possibly locking it down with like an admin page using MySQL database or some thing.. Just haven't gotten around to having Mark to help me with some of that since i have forgotten just about all of it now.
Anyway still trying to figure out exactly what i missed that started this whole political incorrectness or what ever..
Thank You all involved :) Keep up the good work!
Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
On 9/18/2018 9:11 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
Supermon is based on my Allmon 2 software https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 which I give freely to anyone who wants it with no restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their total disregard for fairness.
But it's more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon the knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP took Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours of development by countless people and closed it, ending the path to the next level of knowledge. Think about where we'd be if no one shared their knowledge. "We stand on the shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be standing on HamVoIP's shoulders.
HamVoIP (David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon 2. A whole lot more of that should be happening.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote:
I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon, wich I dont remember the name.
Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> a écrit :
Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still.
As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com> <k7ilo1@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since.
It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them.
Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to?
Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863
*From:* App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> *On Behalf Of *Tim Sawyer *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> *Subject:* [App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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Ok.. Sounds good I guess i must have missed some of the emails along the line.. I updated one of my videos on the installation of Allstarlink today and looking to eventually get around to show people how to setup config scripts including allmon as well but for the rest of the day i gotta get back to streaming and a couple of games today.. Trust me i was looking forward to getting this video made for awhile now but looking to do a playlist on this so that way in case i some thing changes all i gotta do is adjust the playlist accordingly rather the re edit a long video. https://youtu.be/iOvmE2lk99M anyway off to the projects.. 73 KC9ZHV Loren Tedford On 9/18/2018 10:42 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
Loren,
Hamvoip.com not voipham.com <http://voipham.com>. Didn't know about voipham.com <http://voipham.com>. If I transposed the URL in one of my emails, my apologies.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:06 AM Loren Tedford <loren@lorentedford.com <mailto:loren@lorentedford.com>> wrote:
I have been seeing some of theses posts.. But what the heck is going on????????????
Is this over the whole deal where i am degrading the product or what ever because of my purchase of voipham.com <http://voipham.com>? I created it originally to be a tutorial kinda page for those of us that had trouble installing allstar link back in the day.. Yeah i know its about 5 or 6 years old now and i haven't done much with it since my accident in October of 2014 and sorry about that.. Also Tim I am looking at digging a bit further into allmon will update things eventually but was looking at making it more mobile compliant that sort of thing and possibly locking it down with like an admin page using MySQL database or some thing.. Just haven't gotten around to having Mark to help me with some of that since i have forgotten just about all of it now.
Anyway still trying to figure out exactly what i missed that started this whole political incorrectness or what ever..
Thank You all involved :) Keep up the good work!
Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
On 9/18/2018 9:11 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
Supermon is based on my Allmon 2 software https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 which I give freely to anyone who wants it with no restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their total disregard for fairness.
But it's more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon the knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP took Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours of development by countless people and closed it, ending the path to the next level of knowledge. Think about where we'd be if no one shared their knowledge. "We stand on the shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be standing on HamVoIP's shoulders.
HamVoIP (David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon 2. A whole lot more of that should be happening.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com <mailto:petem001@gmail.com>> wrote:
I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon, wich I dont remember the name.
Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name <mailto:buddy@brannan.name>> a écrit :
Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still.
As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com>> <k7ilo1@gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since. It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them. Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to? Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863 *From:*App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org>>*On Behalf Of*Tim Sawyer *Sent:*Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM *To:*Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>> *Subject:*[App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org <http://hamVoIP.org>. I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time. First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario. Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money. Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today. Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say. The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions. -- Tim WD6AWP _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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Heya Lauren, Nope. This is all to do with the HamVOIP folks, AKA Doug ’n Dave, who developed an alternative bistro for the Pi, previous the BBB and friends, on an ArchLinux bistro. There’s some not nice ball playing going on here, beginning with but not limited to development of software without any source code release in evidence or, apparently, planned, like ever.
On Sep 18, 2018, at 10:05 AM, Loren Tedford <loren@lorentedford.com> wrote:
I have been seeing some of theses posts.. But what the heck is going on????????????
Is this over the whole deal where i am degrading the product or what ever because of my purchase of voipham.com? I created it originally to be a tutorial kinda page for those of us that had trouble installing allstar link back in the day.. Yeah i know its about 5 or 6 years old now and i haven't done much with it since my accident in October of 2014 and sorry about that.. Also Tim I am looking at digging a bit further into allmon will update things eventually but was looking at making it more mobile compliant that sort of thing and possibly locking it down with like an admin page using MySQL database or some thing.. Just haven't gotten around to having Mark to help me with some of that since i have forgotten just about all of it now.
Anyway still trying to figure out exactly what i missed that started this whole political incorrectness or what ever..
Thank You all involved :) Keep up the good work!
Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
On 9/18/2018 9:11 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
Supermon is based on my Allmon 2 software https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 which I give freely to anyone who wants it with no restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their total disregard for fairness.
But it's more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon the knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP took Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours of development by countless people and closed it, ending the path to the next level of knowledge. Think about where we'd be if no one shared their knowledge. "We stand on the shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be standing on HamVoIP's shoulders.
HamVoIP (David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon 2. A whole lot more of that should be happening.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel <petem001@gmail.com> wrote: I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon, wich I dont remember the name.
Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> a écrit : Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still.
As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1@gmail.com> <k7ilo1@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them. They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point. The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group. I never pursued their website or anything else about them since.
It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way. I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said. It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em. Which I took personal because Im one of them.
Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other. What has OUR HOBBY come to?
Harold K7ILO Las Vegas, NV. Node 27863
From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Politics
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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I completely ignore HamVoip, unsubscribed from their email list, and only focus in the official Allstarlink emails. And I sleep well. On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 5:11 PM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 22:53 Ramon Gonzalez <kp4tr.ramon@gmail.com> wrote:
I completely ignore HamVoip, unsubscribed from their email list, and only focus in the official Allstarlink emails.
And I sleep well.
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 5:11 PM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time.
First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today.
Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions.
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Bryan D. Boyle -
Buddy Brannan -
Corey Dean -
K2KRS Ken -
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Loren Tedford -
Marshall Oldham -
Mike -
Pierre Martel -
Ramon Gonzalez -
Sam Nabkey -
Steve L -
Tim Sawyer