A dual processor AMD with 8GB of RAM and RAID. I may swap the HDD’s for SSD’s. We’ve temporarily installed on a Celeron 2.66GHz with 512MB of RAM. We got our node numbers today! We’ll see how it does. From: Corey Dean Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:29 AM To: Wayne Cc: mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff More like 800+ connections... Corey On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Wayne <wayne@anywherehost.net> wrote: Which is why we have decided on our own three repeater WAN. Our site provider has 25 sites linked together and a VLAN isn’t a problem. although the WIN System is good it is still one conversation at a time. Over 100 repeaters (?) to talk about where Bill and Bob are going to lunch LOL. I long for the say that I win the lottery (like last nights powerball!) and launch the first multi-site, multi-state trunked system where I’ll give away radios just to populate it! NexEdge / NXDN has my vote. Until then we’re launching a powerful server with a 100MBs connection that can handle 70+ connections. As I learn more... From: Skyler F Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 8:00 AM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff The win system and the wan system are both great systems because of the sheer coverage, but during pileups, it might be hard to say hi to your friend across the country. And then theres so many random keyups like on the WIN system for example. On thanksgiving, I there was like 100 short keyups in a row without ID. What is the best compromise between a wide coverage, and the amount of traffic on the system? -- Skyler Fennell amsatnet.info KDØWHB electricity440@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.

On 2/13/2015 4:15 PM, Doug Crompton wrote:

But Allstar's ability to allow infinite connections can also lead to problems. There seems to be a mentality among a few that the more nodes we can connect together the better.

What's wrong with connecting lots of nodes together?

Some people like pileups, the WAN system is an example. For day to day use I am not sure what "wide area" buys you.

The ability to constantly test and stress your system and make sure its ready (really ready) for an emergency that may consume the system for hours or days on end. Before I got involved in AllStar linking, many of the repeaters I own (about 25) went unused. I lost interest and if there were a emergency I couldn't have told you what worked and what didn't. Sure, systems like WIN and WAN are busy and take out a lot of PA's, but we know all the time what works and what doesn't. At least I could tell the local 911 director what their immediate possibilities are. It also buys you the ability to have diverse user base and attracts foreign connections that many people, especially new hams can talk DX without an HF radio.

Educate you users to NOT connect the local hub to the WAN system or any other large network.

Say what? WAN is an open system - why would you tell people that?

We had a problem with that for awhile...

What exactly was the "problem"?

*73 Doug WA3DSP*

*Kevin Custer - W3KKC*

Then you have the situation like here in this county. Three Allstar repeaters, linked together, giving good hand held coverage around two counties. Nothing is heard on them for days or even weeks at a time. But, connect them to WAN for a couple hours one night... and the complaints start. "I'm not listening there, it's too busy" HUH? And I have one guy who constantly complains about how it sounds "like a pinball machine when they're all linked together" Again..... HUH? I haven't figured out what he's listening to (or smoking) but it's not our Allstar repeaters. But "pile ups" on WAN? Really? Lately? As I've been listening, even on weekends, you may go hours without hearing anyone. And then maybe two guys show up. Soon one of them will inevitably say "Well, we better not tie up the system." and sign off. Back to the deafening silence. It's all in the perception I suppose. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

You are a fool and you just like to argue with me. Others understand what I am saying, obviously you don't! 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:53:22 -0500 From: kuggie@kuggie.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff On 2/13/2015 9:35 PM, Doug Crompton wrote: Kevin, Don't be so defensive! I did not say there was a problem with the WAN.... If you like massive connections they are out there for you. Just don't pollute..... You must think I'm some kind of fool. In one breath you say there is nothing wrong, but in another you refer to the traffic on larger systems as pollution. I own (or co own) more than half of the core connections that make up WAN. If I choose to connect them all together (like I have with WAN) it can't help but to be massive. I can't help that many others choose to connect to their systems to it. After all it is (or is supposed to be) an open system. I don't make snide comments about your simplex group, and I'll trust that you'll not make any more comments about mine. Kevin - W3KKC _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.

Here's the problem. You don't comprehend what I write and you have a hard-on for whatever I say. If you go back and look at the thread others said somewhat detrimental things about your precious WAN, I did not. All I said, and you should go back and read it carefully, was that we had trouble with people contecting our local hub to the WAN which was not desireable. I never said anything else. Then you start babbling about me taking you for a fool. What the heck is that about. I won't comment on this anymore. It is a waste of my time!! 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 02:51:55 -0500 From: kuggie@kuggie.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff On 2/14/2015 2:20 AM, Doug Crompton wrote: You are a fool and you just like to argue with me. I used to argue with you because I care about the quality of information surrounding this technology. I have found that trying to educate you is a fruitless endeavor. I concede. Others understand what I am saying, obviously you don't! I'm not putting words in your mouth Doug - you're the one flapping you gums. You already run me off of your list - are you going to try to do the same here? Kevin - W3KKC _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.

On 2/14/2015 3:37 AM, Doug Crompton wrote:

Here's the problem. You don't comprehend what I write and you have a hard-on for whatever I say.

Some people like pileups, the WAN system is an example. For day to day use I am not sure what "wide area" buys you. Educate you users to NOT connect the local hub to the WAN system or any other large network. Kevin, Don't be so defensive! I did not say there was a problem with the WAN, Just don't pollute the quieter smaller hubs with that. You are a fool and you just like to argue with me. Others understand what I am saying, obviously you don't!

It's coming through loud and clear. I comprehend everything you say. I understand you don't like my system. You think I shouldn't defend myself or my network after you go off jamming your opinions down everyone's throat. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't make it bad or wrong. This is no different than your view of the Raspberry PI. If a solution doesn't come from you - it's no good. Here's a clue. Go back to your simplex world and leave us alone. I could care less if you like the WAN system, but next time be smart enough to keep your opinions to yourself. And if you do make a sideways comments about another network, be ready, because most of us won't be pushed around by you and your spineless - thoughtless outbursts. Kevin Custer

While I echo many of Doug's comments, I would like to inject a perspective that wide-area continuous links should have a target purpose in mind. Such as covering the stretch of a interstate highway or to cover areas where there are little to no roads ...etc. A purpose. To do it only to have some chatter on your machine is not necessarily a wise move but to each his own. You would be much better off finding other regional systems to make your own mini-wide-link for more chatter. Folks closer to each other will have more in common and purpose of a everyday link. It has been obvious to me that when to many local systems are tied to a linked group, it deters conversation rather than promote it. Folks are afraid to have a simple chat on known wide systems. For what exact reasons, I have not been able to figure out but it is there. I think allstar wide-area links shine best when we do this for special events like nets of a common interest. Linking only for the event and not continuous everyday. I personally would like to see more of this type of linking. I have pledged one node to simply "tune-in" to nets happening on the system. It is the most interesting way of connecting people and sharing their ideas and keeping some fresh flavors of interest. Unfortunately, we have so few amateur nets around to tune into. ...mike/kb8jnm

One of the big advantages of Allstar is the ability to connect any number of groups or individuals together at will. This generally solves a lot of the political problems which exist in other voip systems like IRLP where reflectors are "owned" by an individual and become like repeaters where not everyone is always welcome and constraints are put on use. You have two choices, connect to a single other node or a reflector.

But Allstar's ability to allow infinite connections can also lead to problems. There seems to be a mentality among a few that the more nodes we can connect together the better. Some people like pileups, the WAN system is an example. For day to day use I am not sure what "wide area" buys you. I prefer a group of people that generally know each other with a few others popping in from time to time. If you like this approach then start your own mini hub and get your friends or other local nodes to connect to one place and as time goes on your will establish a group. The nodes could be local to you or anywhere in the world. Once people realize it is a nice place to meet it will grow. It you don't generally advertise it you won't get a lot of additional connections beyond the group you establish.

In the Philadelphia area we have established a nice local group of nodes which cover a fairly large area and since a prime vacation area for Philly residents is the Jersey shore we cover that area also. In addition there are several out of state nodes that connect in. There are also many nets that take place daily. The Alaska Morning Net is an example. We carry that one day a week for an hour but it is your option how you would connect to other places. Net connections could be setup to connect automatically at a designated time. I have been giving talks to local clubs and just about all the nodes connected to my Philly hub are new within the last year. Business has picked up especially with the advent of the BBB. Maybe you can get more users online in your area.

If you take this approach after awhile most everyone knows each other and it becomes a nice group, somewhat like a club repeater would operate. Educate you users to NOT connect the local hub to the WAN system or any other large network. We had a problem with that for awhile but once the users understand this is not IRLP and you can connect to multiple places they disconnect from the wide networks before connecting to the local hub. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:00:13 -0700 From: electricity440@gmail.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff

The win system and the wan system are both great systems because of the sheer coverage, but during pileups, it might be hard to say hi to your friend across the country. And then theres so many random keyups like on the WIN system for example. On thanksgiving, I there was like 100 short keyups in a row without ID. What is the best compromise between a wide coverage, and the amount of traffic on the system? -- Skyler Fennellamsatnet.infoKDØWHBelectricity440@gmail.com

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