Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
You are just writing nonsense. I call you a liar because you are a liar. Never in my life did I take a penny from anyone. And yes.. you were right eith that pair in D2 and I fought for you but at the FRC there is discrimination.You got a pair as my pwrsonal friend and I discussed it and gave you the pair you have for FREE.Did you pay someone for it? You are not worth it... Please pardon my errors as the cell changes some, pardon typos and grammatical errors in advance should they appear. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 5. -------- Original message --------From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> Date: 10/7/16 4:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information you can threaten me all you like but I've heard it from several hams, so unless the entire south florida ham community is out to get you.... and when I was looking for a pair there were none available but there was a 2m repeater for sale and you would get the pair for free... anyway you know as well as I do that getting a 2M pair down here was impossible for anyone except a select few people, and a ton of people had backyard repeaters using up pairs for no reason and then my favorite, I put a repeater up on 147.345 that was coordinated in district 2 to a silent key (seriously) and was off the air, a couple weeks later they discovered the error and said they were putting it up and the coordination was given to someone else but hadn't been updated in the listings blah blah blah On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 5:08 AM, hernandeznilo <hernandeznilo@gmail.com> wrote: Frank Echanique, you are a liar in big terms. Bring up one person that paid me for a freq. pair. Never in my life I did that. Dont press your luck! W4HN Please pardon my errors as the cell changes some, pardon typos and grammatical errors in advance should they appear. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 5. -------- Original message --------From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> Date: 10/4/16 11:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information I tried years ago and gave up… The FRC completely killed any interest I had in ham radio repeaters… before you had to buy your repeater pairs from the district coordinator and after he was removed our district was dissolved and given to district 2, which is where most of our problems came from… At this point I have no idea if my repeaters are even coordinated anymore and honestly I don't care, they are on a government building sponsored by the Miami Dade Office of Emergency Management, and the only reason I maintain them is because they (MD-OEM) have asked me to.. if it ever became a problem I would just turn them off… then Miami would have exactly zero wide-area VHF repeaters and district 2 would finally win On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:40 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com <mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: Frank, Might give more details of your experience with the FRC. I think if any problems one has with FRC is voiced to the repeater community and the FRC, it will be addressed. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:28 PM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information people have had good interactions with the FRC? I can assure you that wasn't my experience… I don't think I have ever dealt with a more dysfunctional organization On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:24 PM, kg4ugk <kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com> wrote: Seeing that no one opted in for this email list, FRC did not provide him with contact information, and in fact tried/attempted to keep our information private. And the fact Bryan owns/hosts lists.keekles.org (the server responsible for this newly created list) I suggest that you contact his registrar/hosting providers abuse system to form a complaint. Enom.com: abuse@enom.com Registrant Name: BRYAN FIELDS Registrant Organization: Registrant Street: 501 80TH AVE Registrant City: ST PETE BEACH Registrant State/Province: FL Registrant Postal Code: 33706 Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: +1.7274091194 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: Registrar Abuse Contact: +1.4252982646 abuse@enom.com And as many of us have spoken up about our past successful interactions and the fact Bryan decided to leave them out on this thread, I've decided to copy the 'accused' on this email. He has clearly stated his request for our personal information was with held by the FRC, and that he proceeded to seek alternative means of acquiring our information in an effort to contact us. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Bob Dunkin <rldunkin@comcast.net> Date: 10/4/16 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information unsubscribe From: vernon ferris Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:09 PM To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information Hi Ron and John, I have dealt with Dana on three repeaters, mine and two that the county turned over to me as ARES EC for the county and as a volunteer himself he has done a good job. And I agree with both of you. Have a good week and keep your feet dry. Vern, W4NEK From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 12:43 PM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information John, Yes, I think you are correct. Just seems I was not getting replies from others. have been getting today. It is good to have these discussions and the FRC does need guidance from us into repeaters. Just seems one guy has a beef and wants to take over and he has little to do with repeaters really. More of a club board member. And being into the internet service or an IT guy is very little tech knowledge of this subject. Engineering firms do not consider IT guys technical people. But they have a valuable place. I think the FRC does a good job, but they are often slow. Our District 4 director has responded to me quickly in last year when i need assistance in getting a pair for a repeater. not sure what other directors do. Dana is very slow, I think he picks one Saturday in the month and works on what he has received, hi. But he is very knowledgeable about the issues...has lots of experience over the last 20 years dealing with the issues. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Jon Pearl - W4ABC <jonpearl@tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:40 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information Good morning Ron, Is it possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list server? It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all are not allowed to communicate in this venue. Here are the archives: http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/frc-info/ I posted a message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some time. I see this happen quite frequently on the Tower-Talk list server. 73, Jon Pearl - W4ABC On 10/3/2016 11:47 AM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Bryan, It appears this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us. A real discussion would be between all of us. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra And once more... On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote: (snip) Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate. Do we want this in FRC??? 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info
Wasn't even for me, was for Miami Dade Office of Emergency Management Honestly all that is so far in the past I don't even feel like wasting the energy arguing it You want to share why you were removed fro district 1? On Oct 7, 2016 10:15 PM, "hernandeznilo" <hernandeznilo@gmail.com> wrote:
You are just writing nonsense. I call you a liar because you are a liar. Never in my life did I take a penny from anyone. And yes.. you were right eith that pair in D2 and I fought for you but at the FRC there is discrimination. You got a pair as my pwrsonal friend and I discussed it and gave you the pair you have for FREE. Did you pay someone for it? You are not worth it...
Please pardon my errors as the cell changes some, pardon typos and grammatical errors in advance should they appear. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 5.
-------- Original message -------- From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> Date: 10/7/16 4:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
you can threaten me all you like but I've heard it from several hams, so unless the entire south florida ham community is out to get you.... and when I was looking for a pair there were none available but there was a 2m repeater for sale and you would get the pair for free... anyway you know as well as I do that getting a 2M pair down here was impossible for anyone except a select few people, and a ton of people had backyard repeaters using up pairs for no reason
and then my favorite, I put a repeater up on 147.345 that was coordinated in district 2 to a silent key (seriously) and was off the air, a couple weeks later they discovered the error and said they were putting it up and the coordination was given to someone else but hadn't been updated in the listings blah blah blah
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 5:08 AM, hernandeznilo <hernandeznilo@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Echanique, you are a liar in big terms. Bring up one person that paid me for a freq. pair. Never in my life I did that. Dont press your luck! W4HN
Please pardon my errors as the cell changes some, pardon typos and grammatical errors in advance should they appear. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 5.
-------- Original message -------- From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> Date: 10/4/16 11:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
I tried years ago and gave up… The FRC completely killed any interest I had in ham radio repeaters… before you had to buy your repeater pairs from the district coordinator and after he was removed our district was dissolved and given to district 2, which is where most of our problems came from…
At this point I have no idea if my repeaters are even coordinated anymore and honestly I don't care, they are on a government building sponsored by the Miami Dade Office of Emergency Management, and the only reason I maintain them is because they (MD-OEM) have asked me to.. if it ever became a problem I would just turn them off… then Miami would have exactly zero wide-area VHF repeaters and district 2 would finally win
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:40 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com < mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Frank,
Might give more details of your experience with the FRC. I think if any problems one has with FRC is voiced to the repeater community and the FRC, it will be addressed.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com
------------------------------ *From:* FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:28 PM
*To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
people have had good interactions with the FRC? I can assure you that wasn't my experience…
I don't think I have ever dealt with a more dysfunctional organization
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:24 PM, kg4ugk <kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com> wrote:
Seeing that no one opted in for this email list, FRC did not provide him with contact information, and in fact tried/attempted to keep our information private.
And the fact Bryan owns/hosts lists.keekles.org (the server responsible for this newly created list)
I suggest that you contact his registrar/hosting providers abuse system to form a complaint.
Enom.com: abuse@enom.com
Registrant Name: BRYAN FIELDS Registrant Organization: Registrant Street: 501 80TH AVE Registrant City: ST PETE BEACH Registrant State/Province: FL Registrant Postal Code: 33706 Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: +1.7274091194 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: <http://reversewhois.domaintools.com/?email=c4af5e29ad2bf1ea52b555562b4b59f4> Registrar Abuse Contact: +1.4252982646 abuse@enom.com
And as many of us have spoken up about our past successful interactions and the fact Bryan decided to leave them out on this thread, I've decided to copy the 'accused' on this email.
He has clearly stated his request for our personal information was with held by the FRC, and that he proceeded to seek alternative means of acquiring our information in an effort to contact us.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- From: Bob Dunkin <rldunkin@comcast.net> Date: 10/4/16 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
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*From:* vernon ferris <vhferris@comcast.net> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:09 PM *To:* 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Hi Ron and John,
I have dealt with Dana on three repeaters, mine and two that the county turned over to me as ARES EC for the county and as a volunteer himself he has done a good job. And I agree with both of you.
Have a good week and keep your feet dry.
Vern, W4NEK
*From:* FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] *On Behalf Of *mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2016 12:43 PM *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
John,
Yes, I think you are correct. Just seems I was not getting replies from others. have been getting today.
It is good to have these discussions and the FRC does need guidance from us into repeaters. Just seems one guy has a beef and wants to take over and he has little to do with repeaters really. More of a club board member. And being into the internet service or an IT guy is very little tech knowledge of this subject. Engineering firms do not consider IT guys technical people. But they have a valuable place.
I think the FRC does a good job, but they are often slow. Our District 4 director has responded to me quickly in last year when i need assistance in getting a pair for a repeater. not sure what other directors do. Dana is very slow, I think he picks one Saturday in the month and works on what he has received, hi. But he is very knowledgeable about the issues...has lots of experience over the last 20 years dealing with the issues.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com
------------------------------
*From:* FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Jon Pearl - W4ABC <jonpearl@tampabay.rr.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:40 AM *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Good morning Ron,
Is it possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list server? It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all are not allowed to communicate in this venue. Here are the archives: http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/frc-info/
I posted a message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some time. I see this happen quite frequently on the Tower-Talk list server.
73,
Jon Pearl - W4ABC
On 10/3/2016 11:47 AM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Bryan,
It appears this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us. A real discussion would be between all of us.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
And once more...
On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
(snip)
Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate. Do we want this in FRC???
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com
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Guys, I am as tired as anyone here of all the squabbling about the FRC, but now it is devolving into personal attacks. Keep that stuff to yourselves, we don't need it broadcast to everyone. Vince K4JC On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> wrote:
Wasn't even for me, was for Miami Dade Office of Emergency Management
Honestly all that is so far in the past I don't even feel like wasting the energy arguing it
You want to share why you were removed fro district 1? On Oct 7, 2016 10:15 PM, "hernandeznilo" <hernandeznilo@gmail.com> wrote:
You are just writing nonsense. I call you a liar because you are a liar. Never in my life did I take a penny from anyone. And yes.. you were right eith that pair in D2 and I fought for you but at the FRC there is discrimination. You got a pair as my pwrsonal friend and I discussed it and gave you the pair you have for FREE. Did you pay someone for it? You are not worth it...
Please pardon my errors as the cell changes some, pardon typos and grammatical errors in advance should they appear. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 5.
-------- Original message -------- From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> Date: 10/7/16 4:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
you can threaten me all you like but I've heard it from several hams, so unless the entire south florida ham community is out to get you.... and when I was looking for a pair there were none available but there was a 2m repeater for sale and you would get the pair for free... anyway you know as well as I do that getting a 2M pair down here was impossible for anyone except a select few people, and a ton of people had backyard repeaters using up pairs for no reason
and then my favorite, I put a repeater up on 147.345 that was coordinated in district 2 to a silent key (seriously) and was off the air, a couple weeks later they discovered the error and said they were putting it up and the coordination was given to someone else but hadn't been updated in the listings blah blah blah
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 5:08 AM, hernandeznilo <hernandeznilo@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Echanique, you are a liar in big terms. Bring up one person that paid me for a freq. pair. Never in my life I did that. Dont press your luck! W4HN
Please pardon my errors as the cell changes some, pardon typos and grammatical errors in advance should they appear. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 5.
-------- Original message -------- From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> Date: 10/4/16 11:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
I tried years ago and gave up… The FRC completely killed any interest I had in ham radio repeaters… before you had to buy your repeater pairs from the district coordinator and after he was removed our district was dissolved and given to district 2, which is where most of our problems came from…
At this point I have no idea if my repeaters are even coordinated anymore and honestly I don't care, they are on a government building sponsored by the Miami Dade Office of Emergency Management, and the only reason I maintain them is because they (MD-OEM) have asked me to.. if it ever became a problem I would just turn them off… then Miami would have exactly zero wide-area VHF repeaters and district 2 would finally win
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:40 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com < mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Frank,
Might give more details of your experience with the FRC. I think if any problems one has with FRC is voiced to the repeater community and the FRC, it will be addressed.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com
------------------------------ *From:* FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:28 PM
*To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
people have had good interactions with the FRC? I can assure you that wasn't my experience…
I don't think I have ever dealt with a more dysfunctional organization
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:24 PM, kg4ugk <kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com> wrote:
Seeing that no one opted in for this email list, FRC did not provide him with contact information, and in fact tried/attempted to keep our information private.
And the fact Bryan owns/hosts lists.keekles.org (the server responsible for this newly created list)
I suggest that you contact his registrar/hosting providers abuse system to form a complaint.
Enom.com: abuse@enom.com
Registrant Name: BRYAN FIELDS Registrant Organization: Registrant Street: 501 80TH AVE Registrant City: ST PETE BEACH Registrant State/Province: FL Registrant Postal Code: 33706 Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: +1.7274091194 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: <http://reversewhois.domaintools.com/?email=c4af5e29ad2bf1ea52b555562b4b59f4> Registrar Abuse Contact: +1.4252982646 abuse@enom.com
And as many of us have spoken up about our past successful interactions and the fact Bryan decided to leave them out on this thread, I've decided to copy the 'accused' on this email.
He has clearly stated his request for our personal information was with held by the FRC, and that he proceeded to seek alternative means of acquiring our information in an effort to contact us.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- From: Bob Dunkin <rldunkin@comcast.net> Date: 10/4/16 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info@lists.keekles.org>
Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
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*From:* vernon ferris <vhferris@comcast.net> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:09 PM *To:* 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Hi Ron and John,
I have dealt with Dana on three repeaters, mine and two that the county turned over to me as ARES EC for the county and as a volunteer himself he has done a good job. And I agree with both of you.
Have a good week and keep your feet dry.
Vern, W4NEK
*From:* FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] *On Behalf Of *mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2016 12:43 PM *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
John,
Yes, I think you are correct. Just seems I was not getting replies from others. have been getting today.
It is good to have these discussions and the FRC does need guidance from us into repeaters. Just seems one guy has a beef and wants to take over and he has little to do with repeaters really. More of a club board member. And being into the internet service or an IT guy is very little tech knowledge of this subject. Engineering firms do not consider IT guys technical people. But they have a valuable place.
I think the FRC does a good job, but they are often slow. Our District 4 director has responded to me quickly in last year when i need assistance in getting a pair for a repeater. not sure what other directors do. Dana is very slow, I think he picks one Saturday in the month and works on what he has received, hi. But he is very knowledgeable about the issues...has lots of experience over the last 20 years dealing with the issues.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com
------------------------------
*From:* FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Jon Pearl - W4ABC <jonpearl@tampabay.rr.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:40 AM *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Good morning Ron,
Is it possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list server? It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all are not allowed to communicate in this venue. Here are the archives: http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/frc-info/
I posted a message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some time. I see this happen quite frequently on the Tower-Talk list server.
73,
Jon Pearl - W4ABC
On 10/3/2016 11:47 AM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Bryan,
It appears this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us. A real discussion would be between all of us.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
And once more...
On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
(snip)
Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate. Do we want this in FRC???
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com
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Sure... discrimination and because District 2 Director and Vice were running their mouth, and I just cant stand double face people. They group with another bad example as Director and Ham who is Mike and put pressure on others to vote me out. They ran an illegal election for three reasons: 1. Because they admitted a Ham from D2 to run against rules; 2. Because they ran an election in an odd year against the rules; and 3. Anyways, another Latin or Cuban won the election and because he was Latin, the election was nullified. These are the real reasons, but if you have other stories... come up with it. Because they don't follow the Rules themselves. They don't know them or plainly they run a dictatorship. The discrimination and illegal activities from those bad Directors destroyed the largest and most productive District. But, Hams in Dade do not care to act or fight.... A group was formed and we were ready to form a new Coordinating body, but some in the group didn't want to work much. Time and efforts are needed to get it done. We bought the program and were ready to start, but as I wrote before....????? This Miami-Dade County should had started their own Coordinating body long ago, and spread around the State. I am not interested in being a Director, but I am willing to help in forming one that will clear all of the flaws of the FRC. You guys are young and full of energy and can start it. Its a challenge! Out of all of them, I was the third oldest Director and I gave many years of my life to the FRC and Ham radio as a whole, but unfortunately, some members came in to destroy our hobby. I am very proud of my accomplishments... Nilo A. Hernandez, M.S. Personal: HernandezNilo@gmail.com AARP: nhernandez@aarp.org 305-219-2252 *Confidentiality Notice*: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> wrote:
Wasn't even for me, was for Miami Dade Office of Emergency Management
Honestly all that is so far in the past I don't even feel like wasting the energy arguing it
You want to share why you were removed fro district 1? On Oct 7, 2016 10:15 PM, "hernandeznilo" <hernandeznilo@gmail.com> wrote:
You are just writing nonsense. I call you a liar because you are a liar. Never in my life did I take a penny from anyone. And yes.. you were right eith that pair in D2 and I fought for you but at the FRC there is discrimination. You got a pair as my pwrsonal friend and I discussed it and gave you the pair you have for FREE. Did you pay someone for it? You are not worth it...
Please pardon my errors as the cell changes some, pardon typos and grammatical errors in advance should they appear. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 5.
-------- Original message -------- From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> Date: 10/7/16 4:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
you can threaten me all you like but I've heard it from several hams, so unless the entire south florida ham community is out to get you.... and when I was looking for a pair there were none available but there was a 2m repeater for sale and you would get the pair for free... anyway you know as well as I do that getting a 2M pair down here was impossible for anyone except a select few people, and a ton of people had backyard repeaters using up pairs for no reason
and then my favorite, I put a repeater up on 147.345 that was coordinated in district 2 to a silent key (seriously) and was off the air, a couple weeks later they discovered the error and said they were putting it up and the coordination was given to someone else but hadn't been updated in the listings blah blah blah
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 5:08 AM, hernandeznilo <hernandeznilo@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Echanique, you are a liar in big terms. Bring up one person that paid me for a freq. pair. Never in my life I did that. Dont press your luck! W4HN
Please pardon my errors as the cell changes some, pardon typos and grammatical errors in advance should they appear. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 5.
-------- Original message -------- From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> Date: 10/4/16 11:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
I tried years ago and gave up… The FRC completely killed any interest I had in ham radio repeaters… before you had to buy your repeater pairs from the district coordinator and after he was removed our district was dissolved and given to district 2, which is where most of our problems came from…
At this point I have no idea if my repeaters are even coordinated anymore and honestly I don't care, they are on a government building sponsored by the Miami Dade Office of Emergency Management, and the only reason I maintain them is because they (MD-OEM) have asked me to.. if it ever became a problem I would just turn them off… then Miami would have exactly zero wide-area VHF repeaters and district 2 would finally win
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:40 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com < mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Frank,
Might give more details of your experience with the FRC. I think if any problems one has with FRC is voiced to the repeater community and the FRC, it will be addressed.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com
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*To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
people have had good interactions with the FRC? I can assure you that wasn't my experience…
I don't think I have ever dealt with a more dysfunctional organization
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:24 PM, kg4ugk <kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com> wrote:
Seeing that no one opted in for this email list, FRC did not provide him with contact information, and in fact tried/attempted to keep our information private.
And the fact Bryan owns/hosts lists.keekles.org (the server responsible for this newly created list)
I suggest that you contact his registrar/hosting providers abuse system to form a complaint.
Enom.com: abuse@enom.com
Registrant Name: BRYAN FIELDS Registrant Organization: Registrant Street: 501 80TH AVE Registrant City: ST PETE BEACH Registrant State/Province: FL Registrant Postal Code: 33706 Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: +1.7274091194 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: <http://reversewhois.domaintools.com/?email=c4af5e29ad2bf1ea52b555562b4b59f4> Registrar Abuse Contact: +1.4252982646 abuse@enom.com
And as many of us have spoken up about our past successful interactions and the fact Bryan decided to leave them out on this thread, I've decided to copy the 'accused' on this email.
He has clearly stated his request for our personal information was with held by the FRC, and that he proceeded to seek alternative means of acquiring our information in an effort to contact us.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- From: Bob Dunkin <rldunkin@comcast.net> Date: 10/4/16 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info@lists.keekles.org>
Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
unsubscribe
*From:* vernon ferris <vhferris@comcast.net> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:09 PM *To:* 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Hi Ron and John,
I have dealt with Dana on three repeaters, mine and two that the county turned over to me as ARES EC for the county and as a volunteer himself he has done a good job. And I agree with both of you.
Have a good week and keep your feet dry.
Vern, W4NEK
*From:* FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] *On Behalf Of *mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2016 12:43 PM *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
John,
Yes, I think you are correct. Just seems I was not getting replies from others. have been getting today.
It is good to have these discussions and the FRC does need guidance from us into repeaters. Just seems one guy has a beef and wants to take over and he has little to do with repeaters really. More of a club board member. And being into the internet service or an IT guy is very little tech knowledge of this subject. Engineering firms do not consider IT guys technical people. But they have a valuable place.
I think the FRC does a good job, but they are often slow. Our District 4 director has responded to me quickly in last year when i need assistance in getting a pair for a repeater. not sure what other directors do. Dana is very slow, I think he picks one Saturday in the month and works on what he has received, hi. But he is very knowledgeable about the issues...has lots of experience over the last 20 years dealing with the issues.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com
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*From:* FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Jon Pearl - W4ABC <jonpearl@tampabay.rr.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:40 AM *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Good morning Ron,
Is it possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list server? It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all are not allowed to communicate in this venue. Here are the archives: http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/frc-info/
I posted a message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some time. I see this happen quite frequently on the Tower-Talk list server.
73,
Jon Pearl - W4ABC
On 10/3/2016 11:47 AM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Bryan,
It appears this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us. A real discussion would be between all of us.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
And once more...
On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
(snip)
Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate. Do we want this in FRC???
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com
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Gentleman, Let's refrain from ad-hominem attacks. Secondly, this incident was 15+ years ago, no? I'm not saying it did or did not happen, but bickering about it will not move us forward with today's problems. I think there is a quite a bit of common ground here between Nilo and Frank regarding the current dysfunction of the FRC. Can we agree to let the past be the past and work on the future? On 10/8/16 9:56 AM, Nilo Hernandez wrote:
1. Because they admitted a Ham from D2 to run against rules; 2. Because they ran an election in an odd year against the rules; and 3. Anyways, another Latin or Cuban won the election and because he was Latin, the election was nullified. These are the real reasons, but if you have other stories... come up with it. Because they don't follow the Rules themselves. They don't know them or plainly they run a dictatorship. The discrimination and illegal activities from those bad Directors destroyed the largest and most productive District.
If the board is refusing to follow the rules of the FRC, they open themselves up to personal liability. As a member or the FRC you would have standing to sue them in court and get a judgement for specific performance. A non-profit cannot engage in discrimination, and it's a serious problem if it does. I can really see the benefit of having a diverse group of amateurs on the board and as directors. Certainly having a few Spanish speakers in a district where Spanish is 50% of the populations 1st language would be a good thing, no?
But, Hams in Dade do not care to act or fight....
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Apathy is a problem. Remind yourself, the FRC is not the directors. It's _OUR_ organization! We can reform it by consensus of the members at a meeting, or other legal means.
A group was formed and we were ready to form a new Coordinating body, but some in the group didn't want to work much. Time and efforts are needed to get it done. We bought the program and were ready to start, but as I wrote before....????? This Miami-Dade County should had started their own Coordinating body long ago, and spread around the State. I am not interested in being a Director, but I am willing to help in forming one that will clear all of the flaws of the FRC.
We can reset the FRC and call for a constitutional convention if we wanted. I think there is much wrong with the current bylaws and we need to reform them. Term limits would go a long way to prevent this, along with delegating much less to the board. I've certainly thought about it, but I'm going to reform the FRC, or at least try. I'm a member and quite disappointed in how it's run from a members perspective. Nilo, Frank, would you be willing to work to reform the FRC with us? 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
I have nothing personal against Nilo, but as far as south florida hams not fighting against the frc, I tried man, I really did, but they have an incredible way of doing nothing that's incredibly frustrating... I don't know if the FRC is salvageable, it's been barely functional in any capacity for quite some time now On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
Gentleman, Let's refrain from ad-hominem attacks. Secondly, this incident was 15+ years ago, no? I'm not saying it did or did not happen, but bickering about it will not move us forward with today's problems.
I think there is a quite a bit of common ground here between Nilo and Frank regarding the current dysfunction of the FRC. Can we agree to let the past be the past and work on the future?
On 10/8/16 9:56 AM, Nilo Hernandez wrote:
1. Because they admitted a Ham from D2 to run against rules; 2. Because they ran an election in an odd year against the rules; and 3. Anyways, another Latin or Cuban won the election and because he was Latin, the election was nullified. These are the real reasons, but if you have other stories... come up with it. Because they don't follow the Rules themselves. They don't know them or plainly they run a dictatorship. The discrimination and illegal activities from those bad Directors destroyed the largest and most productive District.
If the board is refusing to follow the rules of the FRC, they open themselves up to personal liability. As a member or the FRC you would have standing to sue them in court and get a judgement for specific performance.
A non-profit cannot engage in discrimination, and it's a serious problem if it does. I can really see the benefit of having a diverse group of amateurs on the board and as directors. Certainly having a few Spanish speakers in a district where Spanish is 50% of the populations 1st language would be a good thing, no?
But, Hams in Dade do not care to act or fight....
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Apathy is a problem.
Remind yourself, the FRC is not the directors. It's _OUR_ organization! We can reform it by consensus of the members at a meeting, or other legal means.
A group was formed and we were ready to form a new Coordinating body, but some in the group didn't want to work much. Time and efforts are needed to get it done. We bought the program and were ready to start, but as I wrote before....????? This Miami-Dade County should had started their own Coordinating body long ago, and spread around the State. I am not interested in being a Director, but I am willing to help in forming one that will clear all of the flaws of the FRC.
We can reset the FRC and call for a constitutional convention if we wanted. I think there is much wrong with the current bylaws and we need to reform them. Term limits would go a long way to prevent this, along with delegating much less to the board.
I've certainly thought about it, but I'm going to reform the FRC, or at least try. I'm a member and quite disappointed in how it's run from a members perspective.
Nilo, Frank, would you be willing to work to reform the FRC with us?
73's -- Bryan Fields
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On 10/8/16 11:43 AM, Frank Echanique wrote:
I have nothing personal against Nilo, but as far as south florida hams not fighting against the frc, I tried man, I really did, but they have an incredible way of doing nothing that's incredibly frustrating...
Did anyone ever reach out to the other hams in the state and organize against them? If illegal things were going on, did anyone join and sue the board member doing these illegal things?
I don't know if the FRC is salvageable, it's been barely functional in any capacity for quite some time now
We have to try. Send me your proxy or attend the meeting and vote with me. It's either that, sue them, or start a new body. I think it would do much more good to hit the reset button on the FRC, redraw bylaws, and make it into an organization which works, fairly to all amateurs. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Well I have to state that over the years both Nilo (was District 1 Director) and Dana of the FRC has served me well They were always very responsive to my inquiries and renewals The meeting in Melbourne might shed some light on the issue It would appear easier to fix the wheel rather than invent it John -- John Mc Hugh, K4AG Coordinator for Amateur Radio National Hurricane Center, WX4NHC Home page:- http://www.wx4nhc.org
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