[App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 46, Issue 39

Sat Dec 29 03:45:28 UTC 2012

My apologies to the group, my fat fingers sent a nonsensical (to the 
group) note here instead of where it was supposed to go.  Will teach me 
to look at the To: box closer before I hit Send.

On 12/28/2012 3:32 PM, Wayne Hale wrote:
> Well blow me down, just for the heck of it, tried Internet Explorer to 
> log into the Zyxel, poof, right in with admin and 1234?  Go figure.  
> Don't recall that being a documented feature?
>
> Wayne
> On 12/28/2012 9:00 AM, app_rpt-users-request at ohnosec.org wrote:
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>>     1. Re: Fwd: RE: Jim and Ramesh (chan_voter and RPi) (S. Scott)
>>     2. Fwd: Fwd: RE: Jim and Ramesh (chan_voter and RPi) (Shane Morris)
>>     3. Raspberry pi (Leon D. Zetekoff)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:44:32 -0500
>> From: "S. Scott" <8f27e956 at gmail.com>
>> To: Shane Morris <edgecomberts at gmail.com>
>> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: RE: Jim and Ramesh (chan_voter and
>>     RPi)
>> Message-ID: <-8102833036369711429 at unknownmsgid>
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>> While i understand the appeal of the rPi, the BeagleBone more likely has
>> the needed horse power, and it can handle its USB and ethernet going 
>> at the
>> same time.  To modern O/S, the BEAGLE BONE "looks" like i real mobo,
>> needing less custom shoehorning.
>>
>> 2?
>>
>> ?????
>> iThing:  Big thumbs & little keys. Please excuse typo, spelling and 
>> grammar
>> errors ? Thought of the Day ? "With all this manure, there must be a 
>> pony
>> in here somewhere.?
>>
>> On 2012-12-27, at 18:25, Shane Morris <edgecomberts at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Shane Morris" <edgecomberts at gmail.com>
>> Date: 28/12/2012 10:25 AM
>> Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Jim and Ramesh (chan_voter and RPi)
>> To: "Corey Dean" <n3fe at repeater.net>
>>
>> Yes, but that function is handled by the DSPiC in the RTCM as far as I
>> understand. I'm suggesting the RPi be a SIP/ IAX server. And merely 
>> that.
>> No real need for a DSP in the RPi.
>>   On 28/12/2012 10:22 AM, "Corey Dean" <n3fe at repeater.net> wrote:
>>
>>> My thought on this would be if it couldn't handle the DSP and had to 
>>> rely
>>> on simple USB then it wouldn't be able to work as a voter because it
>>> wouldn't be able to read the RSSI of the discriminator audio.   I 
>>> may be
>>> way off on my thought, but I know it needs DSP for the discriminator 
>>> audio.
>>>
>>> Corey  N3FE
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: app_rpt-users-bounces at ohnosec.org [mailto:
>>> app_rpt-users-bounces at ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Shane Morris
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:56 PM
>>> To: app_rpt mailing list
>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Jim and Ramesh (chan_voter and RPi)
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was thinking, even though the RaspberryPi can't handle the audio 
>>> stream
>>> from a URI due to the limitations of the USB bus, what is the ethernet
>>> performance like? I imagine it wouldn't be terribly good, due to the 
>>> fact
>>> the ethernet swings off the USB, but hear me out...
>>>
>>> chan_voter is a module that communicates via ethernet, am I correct?
>>> It uses an RTCM connected over an ethernet bus to communicate the voice
>>> data around, and I can imagine, at a low codec rate like GSM or even 
>>> Speex,
>>> throughput wouldn't be as excessive as raw sound data coming from a 
>>> fob.
>>>
>>> So my proposal is, before Jim and Ramesh throw out the baby with the
>>> bathwater, and consign the RPi effort to the dust, why not take the 
>>> work,
>>> which I believe involves getting Zaptel/ DAHDI to work with the RPi, 
>>> and
>>> apply it to a purely chan_voter system? Yes, I know the chan_voter is
>>> dependant upon app_rpt, and in the future, someone, somewhere, is 
>>> going to
>>> try to hook up a sound fob, and miserably complain it doesn't work, 
>>> but we
>>> get the same questions about Asterisk
>>> 1.8 over and over too, right?
>>>
>>> The advantages here are manyfold - again, low power consumption 
>>> comes into
>>> the game, everyone knows I personally need as low a power 
>>> consumption as I
>>> can get. The fact the RTCM data (ie, VoIP over
>>> ethernet) is much more suited to the infrastructure on the RPi is a 
>>> good
>>> thing here too. The fact that normal Asterisk just runs, and runs 
>>> well, on
>>> RPi is another motivating factor - my friend Andrew is running his 
>>> house
>>> PABX on an RPi running Asterisk 1.8 I believe, there is an image for 
>>> this.
>>> And yes, simply the cool factor - who else can say they run their 
>>> voting
>>> repeater system off something the size of a credit card, with all the
>>> proprietary, messy, rack mounted stuff out there?
>>>
>>> If Jim and Ramesh are unwilling, or unable, to help, due to the fact 
>>> that
>>> the RPi is a bit of a letdown (I heard about the USB performance 
>>> issues -
>>> ouch!), I would like to take their work, and apply it to a platform 
>>> I think
>>> may have a bit better USB performance - its based on a Cortex-A8 
>>> (ARMv7) -
>>> the Cubieboard. For all you I/O junkies out there, what can YOU do 
>>> with 96
>>> I/Os? For $49, gets you something good, look it up, 
>>> www.cubieboard.org -
>>> I got one for Christmas, and I thought it would be good for this. Its a
>>> Chinese Allwinnner A10 device.
>>>
>>> Since I have gone beyond just simple URI systems since Jim 
>>> introduced me
>>> to the RTCM, I would like to get this to work. I recognised the RTCM 
>>> did
>>> something I was talking to Andrew about on the way home from 
>>> Expedition in
>>> October of this year - "Wouldn't it be nice, Andrew, if we could have a
>>> voting system that allows us the flexibility to run an Expeditions
>>> communications in such a way that make it simply easy for us, and 
>>> easy for
>>> the users?" Before, we've had users change channels in different 
>>> places,
>>> this inevitably leads to confusion. With a chan_voter system, we can 
>>> run
>>> the same UHF CB channel across the arena, and access it anywhere.
>>>
>>> Andrew had said to me "Shane, do you know how much such a system would
>>> cost...?" Yes, Andrew, I had the Simoco, and I bought the RTCM for
>>> $250 second hand ^.^ Sorry for being a smart-alec, I know you meant how
>>> much would a PROPRIETARY system cost us?
>>>
>>> Anyway, I hope I have Jim and Rameshes blessing on this one - they did
>>> some great work, and I know it must've been a letdown to find out the
>>> hardware simply wasn't up to the task. Believe me, this isn't the first
>>> story I've heard about the lacklustre I/O performance of the RPi, 
>>> and it
>>> won't be the last. But by using their work on a much stronger (I hope!)
>>> platform that it still ARM Linux based, I hope to circumvent at 
>>> least one
>>> problem with the RPi. And its only $11 more before shipping!
>>>
>>> Looks like I'm going to be reading the Allwinnner A10 device spec sheet
>>> now, huh? =)
>>>
>>> Thanks for putting up with my ramble everyone.
>>>
>>> Shane.
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>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:07:04 +1100
>> From: Shane Morris <edgecomberts at gmail.com>
>> To: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org>
>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Fwd: RE: Jim and Ramesh (chan_voter and
>>     RPi)
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Shane Morris <edgecomberts at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: RE: Jim and Ramesh (chan_voter and 
>> RPi)
>> To: "S. Scott" <8f27e956 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> And I have said I'd like to use a Cubieboard and included a link. It
>> is comparable to an xM, as well as being far, far cheaper. If
>> chan_voter works on RPi, it'll certainly work on anything. The intent
>> here is to get a voting server to work, not a direct peripheral on an
>> RPi or a Cubie or even an xM. I have listed all these factors in my
>> original email, and for good reason. Sorry, I'm not trying to be a
>> smart alec but I did go over all this with he intent it wouldn't be
>> vexed again. So I'm going to point at my original post, and say
>> "Ignore the reference to RPi, and read again." :)
>>
>> On 28/12/2012 6:44 PM, "S. Scott" <8f27e956 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> While i understand the appeal of the rPi, the BeagleBone more likely 
>>> has the needed horse power, and it can handle its USB and ethernet 
>>> going at the same time.  To modern O/S, the BEAGLE BONE "looks" like 
>>> i real mobo, needing less custom shoehorning.
>>>
>>> 2?
>>>
>>> ?????
>>> iThing:  Big thumbs & little keys. Please excuse typo, spelling and 
>>> grammar errors ? Thought of the Day ? "With all this manure, there 
>>> must be a pony in here somewhere.?
>>>
>>> On 2012-12-27, at 18:25, Shane Morris <edgecomberts at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Shane Morris" <edgecomberts at gmail.com>
>>> Date: 28/12/2012 10:25 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Jim and Ramesh (chan_voter and RPi)
>>> To: "Corey Dean" <n3fe at repeater.net>
>>>
>>> Yes, but that function is handled by the DSPiC in the RTCM as far as 
>>> I understand. I'm suggesting the RPi be a SIP/ IAX server. And 
>>> merely that. No real need for a DSP in the RPi.
>>>
>>> On 28/12/2012 10:22 AM, "Corey Dean" <n3fe at repeater.net> wrote:
>>>> My thought on this would be if it couldn't handle the DSP and had 
>>>> to rely on simple USB then it wouldn't be able to work as a voter 
>>>> because it wouldn't be able to read the RSSI of the discriminator 
>>>> audio.   I may be way off on my thought, but I know it needs DSP 
>>>> for the discriminator audio.
>>>>
>>>> Corey  N3FE
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: app_rpt-users-bounces at ohnosec.org 
>>>> [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Shane Morris
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:56 PM
>>>> To: app_rpt mailing list
>>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Jim and Ramesh (chan_voter and RPi)
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking, even though the RaspberryPi can't handle the audio 
>>>> stream from a URI due to the limitations of the USB bus, what is 
>>>> the ethernet performance like? I imagine it wouldn't be terribly 
>>>> good, due to the fact the ethernet swings off the USB, but hear me 
>>>> out...
>>>>
>>>> chan_voter is a module that communicates via ethernet, am I correct?
>>>> It uses an RTCM connected over an ethernet bus to communicate the 
>>>> voice data around, and I can imagine, at a low codec rate like GSM 
>>>> or even Speex, throughput wouldn't be as excessive as raw sound 
>>>> data coming from a fob.
>>>>
>>>> So my proposal is, before Jim and Ramesh throw out the baby with 
>>>> the bathwater, and consign the RPi effort to the dust, why not take 
>>>> the work, which I believe involves getting Zaptel/ DAHDI to work 
>>>> with the RPi, and apply it to a purely chan_voter system? Yes, I 
>>>> know the chan_voter is dependant upon app_rpt, and in the future, 
>>>> someone, somewhere, is going to try to hook up a sound fob, and 
>>>> miserably complain it doesn't work, but we get the same questions 
>>>> about Asterisk
>>>> 1.8 over and over too, right?
>>>>
>>>> The advantages here are manyfold - again, low power consumption 
>>>> comes into the game, everyone knows I personally need as low a 
>>>> power consumption as I can get. The fact the RTCM data (ie, VoIP over
>>>> ethernet) is much more suited to the infrastructure on the RPi is a 
>>>> good thing here too. The fact that normal Asterisk just runs, and 
>>>> runs well, on RPi is another motivating factor - my friend Andrew 
>>>> is running his house PABX on an RPi running Asterisk 1.8 I believe, 
>>>> there is an image for this. And yes, simply the cool factor - who 
>>>> else can say they run their voting repeater system off something 
>>>> the size of a credit card, with all the proprietary, messy, rack 
>>>> mounted stuff out there?
>>>>
>>>> If Jim and Ramesh are unwilling, or unable, to help, due to the 
>>>> fact that the RPi is a bit of a letdown (I heard about the USB 
>>>> performance issues - ouch!), I would like to take their work, and 
>>>> apply it to a platform I think may have a bit better USB 
>>>> performance - its based on a Cortex-A8 (ARMv7) - the Cubieboard. 
>>>> For all you I/O junkies out there, what can YOU do with 96 I/Os? 
>>>> For $49, gets you something good, look it up, www.cubieboard.org - 
>>>> I got one for Christmas, and I thought it would be good for this. 
>>>> Its a Chinese Allwinnner A10 device.
>>>>
>>>> Since I have gone beyond just simple URI systems since Jim 
>>>> introduced me to the RTCM, I would like to get this to work. I 
>>>> recognised the RTCM did something I was talking to Andrew about on 
>>>> the way home from Expedition in October of this year - "Wouldn't it 
>>>> be nice, Andrew, if we could have a voting system that allows us 
>>>> the flexibility to run an Expeditions communications in such a way 
>>>> that make it simply easy for us, and easy for the users?" Before, 
>>>> we've had users change channels in different places, this 
>>>> inevitably leads to confusion. With a chan_voter system, we can run 
>>>> the same UHF CB channel across the arena, and access it anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew had said to me "Shane, do you know how much such a system 
>>>> would cost...?" Yes, Andrew, I had the Simoco, and I bought the 
>>>> RTCM for
>>>> $250 second hand ^.^ Sorry for being a smart-alec, I know you meant 
>>>> how much would a PROPRIETARY system cost us?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I hope I have Jim and Rameshes blessing on this one - they 
>>>> did some great work, and I know it must've been a letdown to find 
>>>> out the hardware simply wasn't up to the task. Believe me, this 
>>>> isn't the first story I've heard about the lacklustre I/O 
>>>> performance of the RPi, and it won't be the last. But by using 
>>>> their work on a much stronger (I hope!) platform that it still ARM 
>>>> Linux based, I hope to circumvent at least one problem with the 
>>>> RPi. And its only $11 more before shipping!
>>>>
>>>> Looks like I'm going to be reading the Allwinnner A10 device spec 
>>>> sheet now, huh? =)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for putting up with my ramble everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Shane.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:28:27 -0500
>> From: "Leon D. Zetekoff" <wa4zlw at arrl.net>
>> To: "app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org>
>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Raspberry pi
>> Message-ID: <8380DB5B-7535-4E72-BFE0-85E917F36D99 at arrl.net>
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>> Hi folks. Happy holidays.
>>
>> Has anyone looked at implementing this on a raspberry pi? Pbx in a 
>> flash now has a distro for it. Thoughts?
>>
>> 73 Leon wa4zlw
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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