[App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic trade off.
Brian Burton
kb3ors at gmail.com
Sun Feb 15 17:18:48 UTC 2015
I kinda get what your saying Doug. However Kevin had a mood point, pick
your wording a little more to your point. Do not connect an individual user
node to WIN and WAN at the same time for multiple reasons. First is WIN and
WAN have a verbal agreement to not connect the 2 system together unless
done so by a COP for emergency reasons.
Secondly most residential nodes bandwidth will not handle the amount of
traffic. And last but not least the key part is educate your users. Post it
on your website your do and don'ts.
WAN is and always will be an open system. We have helped a lot of people
inside and outside the country setting up there nodes. All-star I'm my
opinion is the best thing since sliced bread. When I first got into
all-star it would allow IRLP along with echolink. That is not the case
anymore. However I know there are nodes out there that can do those and
more connections, although frowned upon. I always thought of the HAM
community as friendly and helpful, but with strings like this happening
not much help. I hope we can all get past this horrible use of adjectives
and get back to the goal at hand. BETTERING THE AMATEUR WORLD.
Everyone have a WAN-tastic day. And stay warm. -10 in north west PA this
morning.
AB3AA
WANRS TECH SUPPORT
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:00:15 -0500
From: Kevin Custer <kuggie at kuggie.com>
To: Doug Crompton <doug at crompton.com>, "app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org"
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Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff
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On 2/14/2015 3:37 AM, Doug Crompton wrote:
> Here's the problem. You don't comprehend what I write and you have a
> hard-on for whatever I say.
> Some people like pileups, the WAN system is an example. For day to day
> use I am not sure what "wide area" buys you.
> Educate you users to NOT connect the local hub to the WAN system or
> any other large network.
> Kevin, Don't be so defensive! I did not say there was a problem with
> the WAN,
> Just don't pollute the quieter smaller hubs with that.
> You are a fool and you just like to argue with me. Others understand
> what I am saying, obviously you don't!
It's coming through loud and clear. I comprehend everything you say. I
understand you don't like my system. You think I shouldn't defend
myself or my network after you go off jamming your opinions down
everyone's throat. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't make it bad
or wrong. This is no different than your view of the Raspberry PI. If
a solution doesn't come from you - it's no good.
Here's a clue. Go back to your simplex world and leave us alone. I
could care less if you like the WAN system, but next time be smart
enough to keep your opinions to yourself. And if you do make a sideways
comments about another network, be ready, because most of us won't be
pushed around by you and your spineless - thoughtless outbursts.
Kevin Custer
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:01:24 -0700
From: David Dean K0PWO <david at k0pwo.com>
To: "App_rpt-users at ohnosec.org" <App_rpt-users at ohnosec.org>
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Repeater Randomly Keys Up
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My repeater node continuously keys up for a second when my repeater node is
linked to my hub node. When the repeater is in a stand alone condition
(when its not linked to my hub node) it operates normally.
Both nodes are connected locally (on the same network, behind the same
firewall) but not on the same computer. I have set up some different
settings on the radios that make up the repeater (its a maxtrac repeater).
Any ideas where I might look? Has anyone else had this issue before?
Thank you,
David
David Dean, K0PWO
Arapahoe County Colorado
(720) 350-203 cell
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:14:55 -0500
From: Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
To: app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org
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Is it me, or is the archive at ohnosec.org not updating?
73, Steve N4IRS
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> From: Kevin Custer <kuggie at kuggie.com>
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> On 2/13/2015 9:35 PM, Doug Crompton wrote:
>>
>> Kevin, Don't be so defensive! I did not say there was a problem with
>> the WAN....
>>
>> If you like massive connections they are out there for you. Just don't
>> pollute.....
>
>
> You must think I'm some kind of fool. In one breath you say there is
> nothing wrong, but in another you refer to the traffic on larger systems
> as pollution.
>
> I own (or co own) more than half of the core connections that make up
> WAN. If I choose to connect them all together (like I have with WAN) it
> can't help but to be massive. I can't help that many others choose to
> connect to their systems to it. After all it is (or is supposed to be)
> an open system.
>
> I don't make snide comments about your simplex group, and I'll trust
> that you'll not make any more comments about mine.
>
> Kevin - W3KKC
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> You are a fool and you just like to argue with me. Others understand what
I am saying, obviously you don't!
> 73 Doug
> WA3DSP
> http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
>
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> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:53:22 -0500
> From: kuggie at kuggie.com
> To: app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff
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>
> On 2/13/2015 9:35 PM, Doug Crompton
> wrote:
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> Kevin, Don't be so
> defensive! I did not say there was a problem with the WAN....
>
>
>
> If you like
> massive connections they are out there for you. Just don't
> pollute.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You must think I'm some kind of fool. In one breath you say there
> is nothing wrong, but in another you refer to the traffic on larger
> systems as pollution.
>
>
>
> I own (or co own) more than half of the core connections that make
> up WAN. If I choose to connect them all together (like I have with
> WAN) it can't help but to be massive. I can't help that many others
> choose to connect to their systems to it. After all it is (or is
> supposed to be) an open system.
>
>
>
> I don't make snide comments about your simplex group, and I'll trust
> that you'll not make any more comments about mine.
>
>
>
> Kevin - W3KKC
>
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> On 2/14/2015 2:20 AM, Doug Crompton wrote:
>> You are a fool and you just like to argue with me.
>
> I used to argue with you because I care about the quality of information
> surrounding this technology. I have found that trying to educate you is
> a fruitless endeavor. I concede.
>
>> Others understand what I am saying, obviously you don't!
>
> I'm not putting words in your mouth Doug - you're the one flapping you
> gums. You already run me off of your list - are you going to try to do
> the same here?
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> Kevin - W3KKC
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> From: Doug Crompton <doug at crompton.com>
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> Here's the problem. You don't comprehend what I write and you have a
hard-on for whatever I say. If you go back and look at the thread others
said somewhat detrimental things about your precious WAN, I did not. All I
said, and you should go back and read it carefully, was that we had trouble
with people contecting our local hub to the WAN which was not desireable. I
never said anything else. Then you start babbling about me taking you for a
fool. What the heck is that about. I won't comment on this anymore. It is a
waste of my time!!
> 73 Doug
> WA3DSP
> http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
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> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 02:51:55 -0500
> From: kuggie at kuggie.com
> To: app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff
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> On 2/14/2015 2:20 AM, Doug Crompton
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> You are a fool and you just like to
> argue with me.
>
>
>
> I used to argue with you because I care about the quality of
> information surrounding this technology. I have found that trying
> to educate you is a fruitless endeavor. I concede.
>
>
>
>
> Others understand what I am saying,
> obviously you don't!
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm not putting words in your mouth Doug - you're the one flapping
> you gums. You already run me off of your list - are you going to
> try to do the same here?
>
>
>
> Kevin - W3KKC
>
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> From: Mike / W5JR <w5jr.lists at gmail.com>
> To: Doug Crompton <doug at crompton.com>
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> Any chance you guys could take this off list so I don't have to bulk
delete so many messages?
>
> tnx
> Mike / W5JR
> Alpharetta GA
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:15:13 -0600
From: Steve Agee <n5zua at earthlink.net>
To: App_rpt-users at ohnosec.org
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Bizarre Issue
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Having worked with app_rpt for the past five years, I've run across most
of the common issues that everyone else has. But every once in a while,
I run across one that is so bizarre, I feel compelled to post it, so
others might know about it. Such was the case yesterday.
I have a site with a cabinet with three repeaters in it. The two meter
repeater was installed last as an app_rpt repeater from the beginning,
and has never had any issues. The other two are 70 centimeter GE EXEC II
mobiles, full duplexed, connected to an RLC-4 controller, with the other
two ports being wire line interfaces. Since the wire line has been
having intermittent issues lately, I wanted to move the two GE radios to
URIs. I built two conversion cables, with a female DB-9 on one end (to
accept DB-9 male from radio to RLC controller), and a male DB-25 on the
other (to connect to the URI). This leaves the flexibility of going back
to the RLC-4, without rewiring everything. So, I get to the site and
plug everything in and I'm ready to set levels. But wait, whats this
gawd awful loud crackling noise on the transmit audio of both GE radios?
Is it present on the discriminator line of the receiver? No. Is it there
when the DB-9 from the radio is unplugged from the DB-9 coming from the
URI? No. Now things are getting narrowed down. How about swapping URIs
since there are three in the cabinet? No difference. What about swapping
USB cables? No change. But wait, plug the two meter repeater in to one
of the two new URIs, and it now has crackle. What!? It turns out the USB
hub on the computer motherboard is oscillating! This box had 3 hubs.
Moving both of the GE radios to a new hub solved the issue. I have never
run across this issue before, on the twenty-something number of boxes
that I have either built myself, or helped others build. I may never run
across it again either, but if I do, now I'll know where to look. By the
way, that noisy hub ... it works fine. I plugged the keyboard in to it
and used it without any issue whatsoever.
Many thanks to KE5PTZ for tirelessly tracking this issue down, and
putting up with me pulling my hair out for hours on end while doing so!
N5ZUA
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