[App_rpt-users] DIAL and IRLP

Sat Jan 9 20:45:14 UTC 2016

I hate to say it but I thought this was suppose to be Amateur Radio..  So
after googling for a wiki on Amateur Radio I found this..

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio

Definition of Amateur Radio is??

*Amateur radio* (also called *ham radio*) describes the use of radio
frequency <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency> spectra
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum> for purposes ofnon-commercial
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commercial> exchange of messages,
wireless <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless> experimentation,
self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term
"amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in
radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary
interest;"[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-1> (either
direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from
commercial
broadcasting <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_broadcasting>,
public safety (such as police and fire), or professional two-way radio
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-way_radio> services (such as maritime,
aviation, taxis, etc.).

The amateur radio service (*amateur service* and *amateur-satellite service
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur-satellite_service>*) is established
by theInternational Telecommunication Union
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Telecommunication_Union> (ITU)
through the International Telecommunication Regulations. National
governments regulate technical and operational characteristics of
transmissions and issue individual stations licenses with an identifying call
sign <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_sign>. Prospective amateur
operators <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_operator> are tested
for their understanding of key concepts in electronics and the host
government's radio regulations. Radio amateurs use a variety of voice,
text, image, and data communications modes and have access to frequency
allocations throughout the RF spectrum
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF_spectrum> to enable communication across
a city, region, country, continent, the world, or even into space.

Amateur radio is officially represented and coordinated by the International
Amateur Radio Union
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Amateur_Radio_Union> (IARU),
which is organized in three regions and has as its members the national
amateur radio societies which exist in most countries. According to an
estimate made in 2011 by the American Radio Relay League
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Radio_Relay_League>, two million
people throughout the world are regularly involved with amateur radio.[2]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-2> About 830,000amateur
radio stations <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_station> are
located in IARU Region 2 (the Americas) followed by IARU Region 3 (South
and East Asia and the Pacific Ocean) with about 750,000 stations. A
significantly smaller number, about 400,000, are located in IARU Region 1
(Europe, Middle East, CIS, Africa).

So.. My thought is in the first couple of lines..

*Amateur radio* (also called *ham radio*) describes the use of radio
frequency <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency> spectra
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum> for purposes ofnon-commercial
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commercial> exchange of messages,
wireless <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless> experimentation,
self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term
"amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in
radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary
interest;"[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-1> (either
direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from
commercial
broadcasting <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_broadcasting>,
public safety (such as police and fire), or professional two-way radio
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-way_radio> services (such as maritime,
aviation, taxis, etc.).

So I suppose if we were just to enjoy the hobby by figuring out different
methods to communicate with different systems by definition that should be
allowed i my opinion..

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Main Line:1-631-686-8878 Option 1 for Loren.
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On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mark Guibord <mark at micro-node.com> wrote:

> We'll have to wait and see how they react when it becomes widespread, my
> point was it's their network and I respect that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Zingman [mailto:szingman at msgstor.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:19 PM
> *To:* Mark Guibord
> *Cc:* app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org; Kirk Just Kirk
> *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] DIAL and IRLP
>
>
>
> Not sure that will last. The case can be made for the fact it's their
> network to govern as they see fit.
> My DMR repeaters have DMR-MARC, DCI and BrandMeister all available to my
> users.
>
> Sent via smoke signal (Verizon)
>
> On Jan 9, 2016 2:41 PM, Mark Guibord <mark at micro-node.com> wrote:
>
>
> And the reasoning behind D-Marc restricting DMR+ / Brandmeister traffic on
> there network is???
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes Steve thats true, and we don't have to rely on IRLP to link sites
> anymore.
>
> We can have high performance, and agility or sit on the side of the road
> with a blown headgasket...we have a choice.
>
> Guess which is which   :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
> wrote:
>
> It's their infrastructure. Their key exchange. Their reflectors. It is
> their network.
>
> On 01/09/2016 01:05 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
>
> On 1/9/16 12:59 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
>
> Kirk is correct. IRLP on AllStar is no longer supported. It can be done,
> but it's NOT supported. It's their network, if they don't want our
> traffic, respect that.
>
> But the thing is, it's not their network.  It's all individual repeaters,
> and
> the traffic is peer to peer, it's not transverseing IRLP servers.
>
> If some one wants to restrict a given node from connecting to their node, I
> don't take issue with that, but I'll be damned if some one else is going to
> tell me who can connect to my node.
>
>
> --
> "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about."
> 1st Law of Logic
>
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