[App_rpt-users] DIAL and IRLP

Sat Jan 9 21:07:10 UTC 2016

These political debates dont seem to even go anywhere and just drag on...  How about we go on to the next subject?

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> On Jan 9, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I hate to say it but I thought this was suppose to be Amateur Radio..  So after googling for a wiki on Amateur Radio I found this..
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio
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> Definition of Amateur Radio is??
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> Amateur radio (also called ham radio) describes the use of radio frequency spectra for purposes ofnon-commercial exchange of messages, wireless experimentation, self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary interest;"[1] (either direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from commercial broadcasting, public safety (such as police and fire), or professional two-way radio services (such as maritime, aviation, taxis, etc.).
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> The amateur radio service (amateur service and amateur-satellite service) is established by theInternational Telecommunication Union (ITU) through the International Telecommunication Regulations. National governments regulate technical and operational characteristics of transmissions and issue individual stations licenses with an identifying call sign. Prospective amateur operators are tested for their understanding of key concepts in electronics and the host government's radio regulations. Radio amateurs use a variety of voice, text, image, and data communications modes and have access to frequency allocations throughout the RF spectrum to enable communication across a city, region, country, continent, the world, or even into space.
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> Amateur radio is officially represented and coordinated by the International Amateur Radio Union (IARU), which is organized in three regions and has as its members the national amateur radio societies which exist in most countries. According to an estimate made in 2011 by the American Radio Relay League, two million people throughout the world are regularly involved with amateur radio.[2] About 830,000amateur radio stations are located in IARU Region 2 (the Americas) followed by IARU Region 3 (South and East Asia and the Pacific Ocean) with about 750,000 stations. A significantly smaller number, about 400,000, are located in IARU Region 1 (Europe, Middle East, CIS, Africa).
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> So.. My thought is in the first couple of lines.. 
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> Amateur radio (also called ham radio) describes the use of radio frequency spectra for purposes ofnon-commercial exchange of messages, wireless experimentation, self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary interest;"[1] (either direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from commercial broadcasting, public safety (such as police and fire), or professional two-way radio services (such as maritime, aviation, taxis, etc.).
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> So I suppose if we were just to enjoy the hobby by figuring out different methods to communicate with different systems by definition that should be allowed i my opinion..
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>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mark Guibord <mark at micro-node.com> wrote:
>> We'll have to wait and see how they react when it becomes widespread, my point was it's their network and I respect that.
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>> From: Steve Zingman [mailto:szingman at msgstor.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:19 PM
>> To: Mark Guibord
>> Cc: app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org; Kirk Just Kirk
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DIAL and IRLP
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>> Not sure that will last. The case can be made for the fact it's their network to govern as they see fit.
>> My DMR repeaters have DMR-MARC, DCI and BrandMeister all available to my users.
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>> Sent via smoke signal (Verizon)
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>> On Jan 9, 2016 2:41 PM, Mark Guibord <mark at micro-node.com> wrote:
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>> And the reasoning behind D-Marc restricting DMR+ / Brandmeister traffic on there network is???
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>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Yes Steve thats true, and we don't have to rely on IRLP to link sites anymore.
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>> We can have high performance, and agility or sit on the side of the road with a blown headgasket...we have a choice.
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>> Guess which is which   :)
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>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com> wrote:
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>> It's their infrastructure. Their key exchange. Their reflectors. It is their network.
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>> On 01/09/2016 01:05 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
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>> On 1/9/16 12:59 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
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>> Kirk is correct. IRLP on AllStar is no longer supported. It can be done,
>> but it's NOT supported. It's their network, if they don't want our
>> traffic, respect that.
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>> But the thing is, it's not their network.  It's all individual repeaters, and
>> the traffic is peer to peer, it's not transverseing IRLP servers.
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>> If some one wants to restrict a given node from connecting to their node, I
>> don't take issue with that, but I'll be damned if some one else is going to
>> tell me who can connect to my node.
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>> "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about."
>> 1st Law of Logic
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