[App_rpt-users] DIAL and IRLP

Sat Jan 9 22:17:26 UTC 2016

Exactly Cory.  It is what it is.......
On Jan 9, 2016 1:07 PM, "Corey Dean" <n3fe at repeater.net> wrote:

> These political debates dont seem to even go anywhere and just drag on...
> How about we go on to the next subject?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 9, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I hate to say it but I thought this was suppose to be Amateur Radio..  So
> after googling for a wiki on Amateur Radio I found this..
>
> <http://goog_1659635294>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio
>
> Definition of Amateur Radio is??
>
> *Amateur radio* (also called *ham radio*) describes the use of radio
> frequency <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency> spectra
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum> for purposes of
> non-commercial <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commercial> exchange of
> messages, wireless <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless> experimentation,
> self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term
> "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in
> radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary
> interest;"[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-1> (either
> direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from commercial
> broadcasting <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_broadcasting>,
> public safety (such as police and fire), or professional two-way radio
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-way_radio> services (such as maritime,
> aviation, taxis, etc.).
>
> The amateur radio service (*amateur service* and *amateur-satellite
> service <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur-satellite_service>*) is
> established by theInternational Telecommunication Union
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Telecommunication_Union> (ITU)
> through the International Telecommunication Regulations. National
> governments regulate technical and operational characteristics of
> transmissions and issue individual stations licenses with an identifying call
> sign <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_sign>. Prospective amateur
> operators <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_operator> are
> tested for their understanding of key concepts in electronics and the host
> government's radio regulations. Radio amateurs use a variety of voice,
> text, image, and data communications modes and have access to frequency
> allocations throughout the RF spectrum
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF_spectrum> to enable communication
> across a city, region, country, continent, the world, or even into space.
>
> Amateur radio is officially represented and coordinated by the International
> Amateur Radio Union
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Amateur_Radio_Union> (IARU),
> which is organized in three regions and has as its members the national
> amateur radio societies which exist in most countries. According to an
> estimate made in 2011 by the American Radio Relay League
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Radio_Relay_League>, two million
> people throughout the world are regularly involved with amateur radio.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-2> About 830,000amateur
> radio stations <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_station> are
> located in IARU Region 2 (the Americas) followed by IARU Region 3 (South
> and East Asia and the Pacific Ocean) with about 750,000 stations. A
> significantly smaller number, about 400,000, are located in IARU Region 1
> (Europe, Middle East, CIS, Africa).
>
>
>
> So.. My thought is in the first couple of lines..
>
> *Amateur radio* (also called *ham radio*) describes the use of radio
> frequency <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency> spectra
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum> for purposes of
> non-commercial <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commercial> exchange of
> messages, wireless <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless> experimentation,
> self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term
> "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in
> radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary
> interest;"[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-1> (either
> direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from commercial
> broadcasting <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_broadcasting>,
> public safety (such as police and fire), or professional two-way radio
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-way_radio> services (such as maritime,
> aviation, taxis, etc.).
>
>
>
> So I suppose if we were just to enjoy the hobby by figuring out different
> methods to communicate with different systems by definition that should be
> allowed i my opinion..
>
>
>
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
> Main Line:1-631-686-8878 Option 1 for Loren.
> Fax Line 1:1-618-551-2755
> http://www.lorentedford.com
> http://www.kc9zhv.com
> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
> http://www.newwavesucks.com
> http://forum.newwavesucks.com
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mark Guibord <mark at micro-node.com> wrote:
>
>> We'll have to wait and see how they react when it becomes widespread, my
>> point was it's their network and I respect that.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Zingman [mailto:szingman at msgstor.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:19 PM
>> *To:* Mark Guibord
>> *Cc:* app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org; Kirk Just Kirk
>> *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] DIAL and IRLP
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure that will last. The case can be made for the fact it's their
>> network to govern as they see fit.
>> My DMR repeaters have DMR-MARC, DCI and BrandMeister all available to my
>> users.
>>
>> Sent via smoke signal (Verizon)
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2016 2:41 PM, Mark Guibord <mark at micro-node.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> And the reasoning behind D-Marc restricting DMR+ / Brandmeister traffic
>> on there network is???
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes Steve thats true, and we don't have to rely on IRLP to link sites
>> anymore.
>>
>> We can have high performance, and agility or sit on the side of the road
>> with a blown headgasket...we have a choice.
>>
>> Guess which is which   :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's their infrastructure. Their key exchange. Their reflectors. It is
>> their network.
>>
>> On 01/09/2016 01:05 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
>>
>> On 1/9/16 12:59 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
>>
>> Kirk is correct. IRLP on AllStar is no longer supported. It can be done,
>> but it's NOT supported. It's their network, if they don't want our
>> traffic, respect that.
>>
>> But the thing is, it's not their network.  It's all individual repeaters,
>> and
>> the traffic is peer to peer, it's not transverseing IRLP servers.
>>
>> If some one wants to restrict a given node from connecting to their node,
>> I
>> don't take issue with that, but I'll be damned if some one else is going
>> to
>> tell me who can connect to my node.
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about."
>> 1st Law of Logic
>>
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