[App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

Wed Dec 26 19:11:39 UTC 2018

or ignore it and move on.

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Bryan
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> On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:52, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything
> to deal with those individuals.  Put up or shut up.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
> Behalf Of Willem Schreuder
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:45 PM
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> 
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
>> 
>> So you've file a lawsuit?
> 
> I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur 
> radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) 
> for software.
> 
> We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of 
> spectrum.  However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must 
> promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules.  So when 
> there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, 
> WE take action to address it.  Only in the most eggregious of cases does 
> the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.
> 
> Just so with the GPL.  I as a software developer have the benefit of 
> billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free 
> operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of 
> which is covered by the GPL.  Generally the software community 
> self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple 
> as releasing the code.  I do this because it is my obligation under the 
> GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help 
> improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.
> 
> Had the authors of Asterisk said:  "We will not release the source code, 
> but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things 
> you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. 
> Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to 
> The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything
> to deal with those individuals.  Put up or shut up.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
> Behalf Of Willem Schreuder
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:45 PM
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> 
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
>> 
>> So you've file a lawsuit?
> 
> I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur 
> radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) 
> for software.
> 
> We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of 
> spectrum.  However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must 
> promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules.  So when 
> there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, 
> WE take action to address it.  Only in the most eggregious of cases does 
> the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.
> 
> Just so with the GPL.  I as a software developer have the benefit of 
> billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free 
> operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of 
> which is covered by the GPL.  Generally the software community 
> self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple 
> as releasing the code.  I do this because it is my obligation under the 
> GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help 
> improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.
> 
> Had the authors of Asterisk said:  "We will not release the source code, 
> but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things 
> you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. 
> Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to 
> do repeater linking.
> 
> Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a 
> lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the 
> cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you 
> are in compliance!  However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make 
> sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license, 
> sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL.
> 
> In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. 
> We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that 
> we will abide by a simple rule:  you have to make your contribution freely 
> available to others.
> 
> So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit.  That only serves to 
> make lawyers rich.  But in the end, it seems to me that the open source 
> model has proven to be much more successful in the long run.  I and many 
> others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software 
> available not just free of charge but free to improve.  And in the process 
> I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as 
> well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software 
> I wrote.
> 
> We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names.  But the GPL is 
> pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code.  I 
> don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in 
> arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the 
> source for the improvements.  The GPL always wins out in the end.
> 
> -Willem
> 
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