[App_rpt-users] New ASL v 1.0.1 not connecting to any HUB

Alberto Enrique Puig alberto_e_puig at hotmail.com
Thu May 24 17:34:13 UTC 2018


Finally found what was realy happening..

I was running two instance of the same node number (40660). The first one located on the Dominican Republic and the second one on Puerto Rico. Two different ISPs and IP address.

I shutdown down the node located on Dominican Republic and the other node in Puerto Rico started to connect without any problem.

73' Alberto KP4AP

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Failed Connections (k7ilo1 at gmail.com)
   2. Voice ID Audio Nodes List (Mike)
   3. Re: Failed Connections (Mike)
   4. Re: Voice ID Audio Nodes List (Bryan Fields)
   5. Re: Failed Connections (k7ilo1 at gmail.com)
   6. Re: Voice ID Audio Nodes List (Mike)
   7. Re: Failed Connections (k7ilo1 at gmail.com)
   8. New ASL v 1.0.1 not connecting to any HUB or Node
      (Alberto Enrique Puig)
   9. Re: New ASL v 1.0.1 not connecting to any HUB or  Node (Tim Sawyer)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 09:45:58 -0700
From: <k7ilo1 at gmail.com>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
        <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections
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Sorry gang for not getting back sooner but what I did find is that I could not ping anything except for local ip address’s with my router as the dns server

So I changed it to Google’s quad 8’s and I was able to ping things on the internet but was still not able to connect to anything.



But today, I decided just to check because sometimes it takes time for dns records to populate and low-and-behold, I was able to connect to nodes now.

What was funny is, after the online nodes portal was re-instated, I was showing in the online nodes list but couldn’t go anywhere.



Oh well, its working now.



Thanks all



Harold

K7ILO

Node: 27863



From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 10:05 AM
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections



Giving this some more thought... (what was I thinking... or not)

I guess I skipped over the fact you may not have a internet connection at all.

Probably the first check anyway. Try something from a command line first to check it.

Reboot router/computer and check again / check dns at node.

...mike/kb8jnm



On 5/7/2018 11:27 AM, Mike wrote:

start with the DTMF.

listen to the readback of the failed connect. or Watch the console output

but before you make any changes to the system, reboot it.

If nothing has changed with your config than adjusting something is the wrong solution.

The chances of something having gone wrong in memory is a bit higher in a rf environment and a reboot often will flush that out. If it does, you need to look at bad memory and/or rf getting on your wiring.

But other possibilities exist.

...mike/kb8jnm



On 5/6/2018 3:06 PM, k7ilo1 at gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1 at gmail.com>  wrote:

Yes its been some time since I’ve monitored the emails because I’ve had way too many to try to read through them but….

I have a question to probably a common problem and easy fix.

I am using the Dial distro of allstar which has been working great up to some point.

So today I decided to fire up the old HT and dial up a node for some traffic to listen to.

Connection failed is what I’m getting.

No matter what node I try to dial up I get, Connection failed.

All of my config files look ok and I have not done any changes to either my allstar node or my port forwarding on my router.

Where might I start to find and resolve my issue.



Thanks gang



Harold

K7ILO

Node 27863






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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 12:55:43 -0400
From: Mike <mm at midnighteng.com>
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Voice ID Audio Nodes List
Message-ID: <0c3bff16-7ca5-8dc5-a235-d5b6aed86854 at midnighteng.com>
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Cheers to all...

Some time ago, there were a few folks who shared a directory on their
web server to update voice node ID's as a way to exchange between us,
for those that recorded a voice id for there node identifier.

( i.e. "the w a n hub" for node 2135  or "U K HUB" for 27066 )

Some of you know exactly what I'm speaking to while others will be
completely lost, I understand.

But while I was reviewing my scripts in doing a weekly update of new
nodes from the server I had, I found what I was using no longer existed
and probably has not for some time. I find them attractive if they are
done right. Keeping the time to announce shorter while giving more
precise info about node location/band.

...

So my question is, is anyone doing such a think now, and if so,
who/where/details.

And if there is more than one, perhaps updating that share between them
weekly would be in order to propagate changes so that we are not all
relying on just one in the event something happens. I have security
issues from time to time as I'm sure others do, so 3 of them make sense
to me.

I have a interest in keeping this going so if they are all gone, I'm
willing to open a directory on one of my VPS servers for that, and/or
exchange with others so it is well stored and propagated.

All in all, we probably should issue a standard script for those that
want to do such a thing (willing to share my sample). But for now, let's
see where we are on this. Perhaps I'm just out of date with changes that
have been going on.

Any info ? I'm sure it would enlighten the group as well as myself.

Thanks,

...mike/kb8jnm



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 13:03:08 -0400
From: Mike <mm at midnighteng.com>
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections
Message-ID: <85647d1b-6616-f251-63ea-03ed26559bd6 at midnighteng.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

Well, I know that some of you that have problems with dns get around
them by using google dns BUT...

I think you need to take a good look at your network config in your
server and perhaps router. But I think your server will be your likely
target. But it could be both. In short I would say verify your router
first and scub-out your server 'net config' very well.

If everything is right, it should work right away after a reboot, at
least for outbound connects..

But I'm glad to hear it's working for you.

...mike/kb8jnm


On 5/12/2018 12:45 PM, k7ilo1 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Sorry gang for not getting back sooner but what I did find is that I
> could not ping anything except for local ip address’s with my router
> as the dns server
>
> So I changed it to Google’s quad 8’s and I was able to ping things on
> the internet but was still not able to connect to anything.
>
> But today, I decided just to check because sometimes it takes time for
> dns records to populate and low-and-behold, I was able to connect to
> nodes now.
>
> What was funny is, after the online nodes portal was re-instated, I
> was showing in the online nodes list but couldn’t go anywhere.
>
> Oh well, its working now.
>
> Thanks all
>
> Harold
>
> K7ILO
>
> Node: 27863
>
> *From:*App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> *On
> Behalf Of *Mike
> *Sent:* Monday, May 7, 2018 10:05 AM
> *To:* app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections
>
> Giving this some more thought... (what was I thinking... or not)
>
> I guess I skipped over the fact you may not have a internet connection
> at all.
>
> Probably the first check anyway. Try something from a command line
> first to check it.
>
> Reboot router/computer and check again / check dns at node.
>
> ...mike/kb8jnm
>
> On 5/7/2018 11:27 AM, Mike wrote:
>
>     start with the DTMF.
>
>     listen to the readback of the failed connect. or Watch the console
>     output
>
>     but before you make any changes to the system, reboot it.
>
>     If nothing has changed with your config than adjusting something
>     is the wrong solution.
>
>     The chances of something having gone wrong in memory is a bit
>     higher in a rf environment and a reboot often will flush that out.
>     If it does, you need to look at bad memory and/or rf getting on
>     your wiring.
>
>     But other possibilities exist.
>
>     ...mike/kb8jnm
>
>     On 5/6/2018 3:06 PM, k7ilo1 at gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Yes its been some time since I’ve monitored the emails because
>         I’ve had way too many to try to read through them but….
>
>         I have a question to probably a common problem and easy fix.
>
>         I am using the Dial distro of allstar which has been working
>         great up to some point.
>
>         So today I decided to fire up the old HT and dial up a node
>         for some traffic to listen to.
>
>         Connection failed is what I’m getting.
>
>         No matter what node I try to dial up I get, Connection failed.
>
>         All of my config files look ok and I have not done any changes
>         to either my allstar node or my port forwarding on my router.
>
>         Where might I start to find and resolve my issue.
>
>         Thanks gang
>
>         Harold
>
>         K7ILO
>
>         Node 27863
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 13:07:55 -0400
From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Voice ID Audio Nodes List
Message-ID: <0c045b88-4cdc-2bfb-08b2-0dbe13b54d4b at bryanfields.net>
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On 5/12/18 12:55 PM, Mike wrote:
> So my question is, is anyone doing such a think now, and if so,
> who/where/details.
>
> And if there is more than one, perhaps updating that share between them
> weekly would be in order to propagate changes so that we are not all
> relying on just one in the event something happens. I have security
> issues from time to time as I'm sure others do, so 3 of them make sense
> to me.
>
> I have a interest in keeping this going so if they are all gone, I'm
> willing to open a directory on one of my VPS servers for that, and/or
> exchange with others so it is well stored and propagated.

No need, the system will rsync node announcements about once per day from the
main reg server.

The main issue with this was finding someone willing to review the files and
confirm they work.  I've done this for people when asked, but I'm not going to
edit or convert files.  I can't tell you the number of times I've been sent a
30 second wav file and people expected it to work. I'd love an automated
process, but there's not really a good way to do it.

Check out node 40821 announcement for a good example (tooting my own horn),
but it should be short (7-10s), have the node number and be normalized with
clear audio.  I know mine took some time in audacity to get just right.

Would you be willing to help out with being the reviewer of these?
--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 10:29:21 -0700
From: <k7ilo1 at gmail.com>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
        <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections
Message-ID: <006d01d3ea16$c452d7e0$4cf887a0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Yeah I thought about that also.  It probably has already cleared so I will put my dns info in the server back to my router and see what happens.



Harold



From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:03 AM
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections



Well, I know that some of you that have problems with dns get around them by using google dns BUT...

I think you need to take a good look at your network config in your server and perhaps router. But I think your server will be your likely target. But it could be both. In short I would say verify your router first and scub-out your server 'net config' very well.

If everything is right, it should work right away after a reboot, at least for outbound connects..

But I'm glad to hear it's working for you.

...mike/kb8jnm



On 5/12/2018 12:45 PM, k7ilo1 at gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1 at gmail.com>  wrote:

Sorry gang for not getting back sooner but what I did find is that I could not ping anything except for local ip address’s with my router as the dns server

So I changed it to Google’s quad 8’s and I was able to ping things on the internet but was still not able to connect to anything.



But today, I decided just to check because sometimes it takes time for dns records to populate and low-and-behold, I was able to connect to nodes now.

What was funny is, after the online nodes portal was re-instated, I was showing in the online nodes list but couldn’t go anywhere.



Oh well, its working now.



Thanks all



Harold

K7ILO

Node: 27863



From: App_rpt-users  <mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 10:05 AM
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections



Giving this some more thought... (what was I thinking... or not)

I guess I skipped over the fact you may not have a internet connection at all.

Probably the first check anyway. Try something from a command line first to check it.

Reboot router/computer and check again / check dns at node.

...mike/kb8jnm



On 5/7/2018 11:27 AM, Mike wrote:

start with the DTMF.

listen to the readback of the failed connect. or Watch the console output

but before you make any changes to the system, reboot it.

If nothing has changed with your config than adjusting something is the wrong solution.

The chances of something having gone wrong in memory is a bit higher in a rf environment and a reboot often will flush that out. If it does, you need to look at bad memory and/or rf getting on your wiring.

But other possibilities exist.

...mike/kb8jnm



On 5/6/2018 3:06 PM, k7ilo1 at gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1 at gmail.com>  wrote:

Yes its been some time since I’ve monitored the emails because I’ve had way too many to try to read through them but….

I have a question to probably a common problem and easy fix.

I am using the Dial distro of allstar which has been working great up to some point.

So today I decided to fire up the old HT and dial up a node for some traffic to listen to.

Connection failed is what I’m getting.

No matter what node I try to dial up I get, Connection failed.

All of my config files look ok and I have not done any changes to either my allstar node or my port forwarding on my router.

Where might I start to find and resolve my issue.



Thanks gang



Harold

K7ILO

Node 27863







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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 13:39:12 -0400
From: Mike <mm at midnighteng.com>
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Voice ID Audio Nodes List
Message-ID: <d08a1a7d-b7e1-7c34-fb96-f219f20acdda at midnighteng.com>
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Very good.

Well, I'm still using ACID on 2 servers so, I wasn't aware.

But does not help me at this point unless you might just state the
server location of the files, I can write my own scripts for retrieving
them. Just gotta know where they are.

Yes, I fully understand about validity, and the time it al takes away
from us for it. A long time ago, a few of us had a directory of known
good files, and that directory was read only and one other directory for
write/uploads so not to corrupt the good files until reviewed.

thanks for the info Bryan,

...mike/kb8jnm


On 5/12/2018 1:07 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> On 5/12/18 12:55 PM, Mike wrote:
>> So my question is, is anyone doing such a think now, and if so,
>> who/where/details.
>>
>> And if there is more than one, perhaps updating that share between them
>> weekly would be in order to propagate changes so that we are not all
>> relying on just one in the event something happens. I have security
>> issues from time to time as I'm sure others do, so 3 of them make sense
>> to me.
>>
>> I have a interest in keeping this going so if they are all gone, I'm
>> willing to open a directory on one of my VPS servers for that, and/or
>> exchange with others so it is well stored and propagated.
> No need, the system will rsync node announcements about once per day from the
> main reg server.
>
> The main issue with this was finding someone willing to review the files and
> confirm they work.  I've done this for people when asked, but I'm not going to
> edit or convert files.  I can't tell you the number of times I've been sent a
> 30 second wav file and people expected it to work. I'd love an automated
> process, but there's not really a good way to do it.
>
> Check out node 40821 announcement for a good example (tooting my own horn),
> but it should be short (7-10s), have the node number and be normalized with
> clear audio.  I know mine took some time in audacity to get just right.
>
> Would you be willing to help out with being the reviewer of these?



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 17:33:35 -0700
From: <k7ilo1 at gmail.com>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
        <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections
Message-ID: <002b01d3ea52$07d1e390$1775aab0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Well you were right Mike, about possibly an issue with the router.

It has a dns relay function that was turned off. I forgot that I had reset my router about a month ago and that function is default off.

My allstar server has a static ip so that’s why it wouldn’t resolve anything past the router itself.

Almost everything in my  house uses the dhcp function so that’s why I didn’t see the issue because dhcp tells the computers everything they need to know.



Thanks for all of the suggestions.  I am now back to my routers ip address in my resolv.conf file.



73 all



Harold

K7ILO

Node 27863





From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:03 AM
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections



Well, I know that some of you that have problems with dns get around them by using google dns BUT...

I think you need to take a good look at your network config in your server and perhaps router. But I think your server will be your likely target. But it could be both. In short I would say verify your router first and scub-out your server 'net config' very well.

If everything is right, it should work right away after a reboot, at least for outbound connects..

But I'm glad to hear it's working for you.

...mike/kb8jnm



On 5/12/2018 12:45 PM, k7ilo1 at gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1 at gmail.com>  wrote:

Sorry gang for not getting back sooner but what I did find is that I could not ping anything except for local ip address’s with my router as the dns server

So I changed it to Google’s quad 8’s and I was able to ping things on the internet but was still not able to connect to anything.



But today, I decided just to check because sometimes it takes time for dns records to populate and low-and-behold, I was able to connect to nodes now.

What was funny is, after the online nodes portal was re-instated, I was showing in the online nodes list but couldn’t go anywhere.



Oh well, its working now.



Thanks all



Harold

K7ILO

Node: 27863



From: App_rpt-users  <mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 10:05 AM
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Failed Connections



Giving this some more thought... (what was I thinking... or not)

I guess I skipped over the fact you may not have a internet connection at all.

Probably the first check anyway. Try something from a command line first to check it.

Reboot router/computer and check again / check dns at node.

...mike/kb8jnm



On 5/7/2018 11:27 AM, Mike wrote:

start with the DTMF.

listen to the readback of the failed connect. or Watch the console output

but before you make any changes to the system, reboot it.

If nothing has changed with your config than adjusting something is the wrong solution.

The chances of something having gone wrong in memory is a bit higher in a rf environment and a reboot often will flush that out. If it does, you need to look at bad memory and/or rf getting on your wiring.

But other possibilities exist.

...mike/kb8jnm



On 5/6/2018 3:06 PM, k7ilo1 at gmail.com <mailto:k7ilo1 at gmail.com>  wrote:

Yes its been some time since I’ve monitored the emails because I’ve had way too many to try to read through them but….

I have a question to probably a common problem and easy fix.

I am using the Dial distro of allstar which has been working great up to some point.

So today I decided to fire up the old HT and dial up a node for some traffic to listen to.

Connection failed is what I’m getting.

No matter what node I try to dial up I get, Connection failed.

All of my config files look ok and I have not done any changes to either my allstar node or my port forwarding on my router.

Where might I start to find and resolve my issue.



Thanks gang



Harold

K7ILO

Node 27863







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Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 14:48:07 +0000
From: Alberto Enrique Puig <alberto_e_puig at hotmail.com>
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Subject: [App_rpt-users] New ASL v 1.0.1 not connecting to any HUB or
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Can someone on the group lent me a hand.

I installed the new ASL v 1.0.1 on a RasPi 3 and on a x86 machine. Everything installed fine but on both nodes I cannot get then to connect to any particular external node or HUB.

I did run the System Diagnotics Menu from A to I and everything is been reported to be working without any problem.

My network is a AT&T Home Base 4G LTE wireless router. No port forwarding allowed.

BTW.. a Debian DIAL version on RasPi connect and works ok on this network.

Do not know if I an missing something else to check.

Regards,

73' Alberto KP4AP

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Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 08:32:57 -0700
From: Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com>
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What are you node number(s)? Do they register?

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Alberto Enrique Puig <
alberto_e_puig at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Can someone on the group lent me a hand.
>
> I installed the new ASL v 1.0.1 on a RasPi 3 and on a x86 machine.
> Everything installed fine but on both nodes I cannot get then to connect to
> any particular external node or HUB.
>
> I did run the System Diagnotics Menu from A to I and everything is been
> reported to be working without any problem.
>
> My network is a AT&T Home Base 4G LTE wireless router. No port forwarding
> allowed.
>
> BTW.. a Debian DIAL version on RasPi connect and works ok on this network.
>
> Do not know if I an missing something else to check.
>
> Regards,
>
> 73' Alberto KP4AP
>
>
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