[App_rpt-users] Is this list back?

[Joe Moskalski]

If you ask 100 different people their opinion on how to do something you
will inevitably receive 100 different answers. I don't chime in here too
often but I do pay attention to what is going on. I can see the main reason
why someone would like the "push" feature of a mailing list but just in my
opinion, mailing lists are clunky and outdated. I am a member of many
forums where you can be notified to new posts and replies to a new post
exactly like a mailing list. So moving to a forum would be again, in MY
opinion the better choice.
With that said, I have noticed in other projects such as this one, this
same breakdown. A person with a vision creates something great and when
they are gone it goes to shit because of infighting. There are too many
people in the ham community that are EXTREMELY unwilling to put forth any
effort to help make something or keep something good going. It seems almost
everyone just "wants it to work" and doesn't care how it gets done as long
as someone else figures it out. My own lived experience is with my 3 site
Allstar simulcast system, as some may know on here, I had a issue with PL
transmit synchronization using the RTCM by micronode, but instead of
whining about "why doesn't it just work" I solved the problem with some
work and then freely shared everything I did with the public so they could
do it too and I also helped others to get it working, along with that I
could find no one willing to help me build the system here and wound up
doing it all myself physically and financially. This illustrates my main
point, that in order for this project to continue to exist people in this
community we need to STOP pointing fingers and SUGGEST SOLUTIONS and put
forward some effort and not just keep blaming people all the time. I won't
take sides in this fight because I believe choosing a side causes you to
put blinders on and it keeps you from see the full picture.
I have heard many grumblings of the things that have happened to little to
no people willing to step forward to try and help. What I will say about
this mess is I have seen Bryan put forward considerable time, effort, money
and equipment to keep this project alive. As for all the assertions of what
they did or he did or whatever, I cannot confirm or deny any of that but I
have witnessed Bryan doing something, unlike many of those who sit back and
complain with their keyboards. Criticism should be respectful and those who
complain should put forward some effort into resolving those complaints in
some form or another.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 9:47 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:

> Agreed about the mail list being active. I was trying to be involved in
> the open repeater project and was for a bit, but then slack signed me off
> and I didn't notice it and lost touch. Email is there in front of me even
> when I have just a few moments.
>
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 7:31 PM Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 6:18 PM k6kya radio <k6kya at hokeynet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> This list has sailed...   It's counterproductive to have multiple
>>> locations for the same discussions. While I'm still getting used to the the
>>> discourse forum I see the benefit of having everything in one place.  I get
>>> an email advising me of new topics. It seems to work OK.
>>>
>>> Yeah, it works ok, if you want to have to remember to visit a website
>> every day if you want to be a part of the community.   Before I got busy
>> with $DAYJOB, I used to try to help people out on the mailing list, when
>> I'd see a question I could answer.  Now, that's impossible to do, unless
>> you go to the website every day.   With a mailing list, you can filter off
>> the messages, come back to them a month or 3 down the road and catch up on
>> what's happening.  I honestly have gotten tired of trying to be part of web
>> forums - I have limited time on the computer, I can't spend it jumping
>> around between multiple forums.
>>
>> If you want to use the forum, great.  But do not keep those of us who
>> *DO* want to stick with a mailing list from doing so!  If the AllStar
>> "management" (last time I heard this was an open-source community, not a
>> dictatorship) had given people warning, maybe we could have steered them in
>> the right direction.
>>
>> Jeremy, NQ0M
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