[App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
Joe Leikhim
rhyolite at leikhim.com
Wed Feb 13 03:07:06 UTC 2019
I am curious. Has the FCC ever issued a fine or NAL to any GMRS operator
for linking a repeater?? I tried searching for GMRS violations once on
the EB portal and found little in the way of GMRS violations.
On 2/12/2019 9:45 PM, John Heron wrote:
> Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples
> interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the only
> thing that did change.
>
> If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in violation.
>
> All the best, John Heron
> 561-334-6494
> jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv at gmail.com
> <mailto:kc2irv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot point
>> since that is not regulated.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616
>> <mitchmitchell1616 at gmail.com <mailto:mitchmitchell1616 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From what I remember, they didn't want you bypassing the long
>> distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the radio
>> connecting a local call to RF and terminating to another local
>> call on the far end. Once IP network is involved, the
>> underlying physical network architecture isn't relevant. Lots
>> of outdated rules still on the books.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: John Heron <jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>>
>> Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using
>> HAMVoIP
>>
>> If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or
>> landline or any part of the system touches a telco then the whole
>> system is deemed illegal.
>>
>> All the best, John Heron
>> 561-334-6494
>> jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray at mminternet.com
>> <mailto:fwbray at mminternet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether §
>> 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via
>> "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver. It
>> didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the
>> legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the
>> transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that
>> carries the audio.
>> >
>> > The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are
>> technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out
>> receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement
>> them. If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take
>> all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally.
>> However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all
>> repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the
>> coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar
>> issues exist with amateur radio systems.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an
>> Internet linked system if they thought it through. Unless you
>> are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't
>> a very robust system during a calamity.
>> >
>> > KE6CD
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Here is a MAJOR problem....
>> >> "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier
>> >> squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not
>> extend
>> >> over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of
>> other
>> >> local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully
>> >> compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for
>> >> activity BEFORE keying up!
>> >> All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS
>> machine
>> >> to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter.
>> >> Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's
>> >> purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are
>> going to
>> >> disagree....but thats the way it is.
>> >
>> >
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