[App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
Joe Leikhim
rhyolite at leikhim.com
Wed Feb 13 03:23:49 UTC 2019
It does seem the most stubborn bunch get busted. They get a nice
friendly warning and then go bigger. The FCC does not like being lied
to. That will get you NAL'd right away.
I saw a beat up van in traffic in my neighborhood here in Central
Florida. It caught my eye for all the various stickers on it. So I
google it and it is owned by a Haitian businessman in south Florida who
was busted repeatedly for running a quasi commercial pirate station.
What he was doing up here I have no idea, probably there is another
illegal station here. I need to tune in.
When I lived in Miami I had a Haitian guy calling me all the time
wanting to build a legal LPFM station near the Miami Airport. I did a
pro bono study for him and found only a low power slot in Homestead
ideal for Mexican demographic, but not in right place for the Haitians.
Still he called all the time, somebody told him I could work magic or
something. Nice, but no.
On 2/12/2019 10:09 PM, Mitch Mitchell wrote:
>
> I searched fairly extensively through NALs for other reasons and I was
> struck by how hard individuals had to work to get fined by the FCC.
> Frankly I would not have the stamina. I don’t specifically remember
> seeing anything like this but I was looking for other things at the time.
>
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> *From: *Joe Leikhim <mailto:rhyolite at leikhim.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:07 PM
> *To: *Users of Asterisk app_rpt
> <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
>
> I am curious. Has the FCC ever issued a fine or NAL to any GMRS
> operator for linking a repeater?? I tried searching for GMRS
> violations once on the EB portal and found little in the way of GMRS
> violations.
>
> On 2/12/2019 9:45 PM, John Heron wrote:
>
> Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples
> interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the only
> thing that did change.
>
> If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in violation.
>
> All the best, John Heron
>
> 561-334-6494
>
> jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv at gmail.com
> <mailto:kc2irv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot
> point since that is not regulated.
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616
> <mitchmitchell1616 at gmail.com
> <mailto:mitchmitchell1616 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From what I remember, they didn't want you bypassing the
> long distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the
> radio connecting a local call to RF and terminating to
> another local call on the far end. Once IP network is
> involved, the underlying physical network architecture
> isn't relevant. Lots of outdated rules still on the books.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: John Heron <jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>>
>
> Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>>
>
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network
> using HAMVoIP
>
> If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or
> landline or any part of the system touches a telco then
> the whole system is deemed illegal.
>
> All the best, John Heron
> 561-334-6494
> jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray at mminternet.com
> <mailto:fwbray at mminternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether
> § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio
> received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a
> voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom or other
> issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one
> can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely
> over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio.
> >
> > The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there
> are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as
> lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might
> not implement them. If one wants to set up a linked
> system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure
> that it operates legally. However, with any repeater,
> there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able
> to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be
> using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur
> radio systems.
> >
> > I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend
> upon an Internet linked system if they thought it
> through. Unless you are using independent RF links under
> your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a
> calamity.
> >
> > KE6CD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
> >>
> >> Here is a MAJOR problem....
> >> "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in
> carrier
> >> squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission
> does not extend
> >> over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on
> top of other
> >> local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To
> be fully
> >> compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the
> channel for
> >> activity BEFORE keying up!
> >> All it would take is a written complaint against a
> linked GMRS machine
> >> to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist
> letter.
> >> Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to
> fulfill it's
> >> purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world"
> types are going to
> >> disagree....but thats the way it is.
> >
> >
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