[App_rpt-users] Services on the New Portal Site

Sat Jan 5 22:51:34 UTC 2019

I understand Mike's demand. But Tim's goal also have to "fit" with our
modern way of accesing the web site like tablets and phone.

How many time i've seen a totally unuseable web site cause of clumpsy
pagination.

The filter is much more usefull then pagination and you also need to put in
perspective the speed of certain network. Loading a large list like all
nodes is also not a good idea on a old Ipad for the same reason.

And at the same time, not raming the server with such large querry is not a
bad idea.

Le sam. 5 janv. 2019 à 16:47, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> a écrit :

> That's a super easy change, only one line change to the program.  I read
> your notes but I don't get why you would want that. You can make the page
> length longer and scan more nodes at a time. You also have the filter to
> zero in on your target. Show me a specific use case and change my mind.
>
> The down side a more pagination numbers is what happens on mobile devices.
> This is with the number set to 12.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 10:13 AM Mike <mm at midnighteng.com> wrote:
>
>> I was only making a point,
>>
>> If pagination is desired to not just relieve server stress if it does
>> indeed do that,
>>
>> but for a user to load the entire list can be somewhat a heavy user
>> device load depending on the user device and resources.
>>
>>
>> The point is, if it is desirable to break it down into pages in the first
>> place,
>>
>> you should be able to move ahead 5 pages (or more) at a time until you
>> get to the area in question,
>>
>> instead of just 'one page forward at a time'.
>>
>> Either get rid of the page button list and just replace it with prev &
>> next or use a page spread of 10 pages.
>>
>>
>> Honestly, I don't care for myself unless I am using on some devices,
>>
>> but it seems a waste of paging the list and the button space on the page
>> when all you really have is 'previous and next' and 'first and last' to
>> navigate the list in 'page mode'.
>>
>> The code is already on the page, it just needs expanded to more page
>> buttons. Didn't think it was a big deal to do.
>>
>>
>> So if I were to take advantage of viewing 50 at a time, I have to hit
>> next next 3 dozen times or more to find the data for node 29999 and that is
>> only 1/3 of the way through the list.
>>
>> So, agreed, yes, it is better to just view all.... So why page it ?
>>
>> I see no point in paging the list without a good 'pagination button
>> navigation spread'.
>>
>> Well, I will not speak of it again. It was simple request. Perhaps I can
>> not convey any understanding.
>>
>> But the list will get larger and harder to load and navigate.
>>
>> ...mike/kb8jnm
>>
>>
>> https://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-paginate-data-with-php--net-2928
>>
>> On 1/5/2019 12:03 PM, Mike Lee wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> What's your use case for pagination? I'm genuinely curious how you're
>> using it, since there could be almost 800 pages to go through
>> depending on how many nodes you're showing on a page.
>>
>> To me, it seems useless to even view it in pages of 15-50 nodes and
>> then paging through it.
>>
>> (I do get why it's defaulted to 15 per page; if you're hitting this
>> page and using the filter, it's much easier on server performance)
>>
>> I typically show 'all' and use the filter OR 'find' in my browser if
>> I'm looking for something.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 3:37 AM Mike <mm at midnighteng.com> <mm at midnighteng.com> wrote:
>>
>> Look at this better example for what you now have.
>> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Creating_multiple_pages_with_navigation_menus#Pagination
>>
>> ...mike/kb8jnm
>>
>> On 1/4/2019 11:36 PM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
>>
>> The numbers on the bottom right are page numbers. Most of the time they show you the first, last, previous, next page numbers plus a couple of ellipsis'. However when you are within a few paged of the first or last page the ellipsis are replaced with page numbers. Does that help explain how it currently works?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 12:30 PM Mike <mm at midnighteng.com> <mm at midnighteng.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well Tim,
>>
>> I just went back to the site to make a better description ...
>>
>> Even if you select 50 nodes per page...matters not
>>
>> Click in advance(bottom right) once to move ahead 5 pages.
>>
>> Now you only have a choice to go the next page. The right 2 buttons both do that.
>>
>> So the page spread should be about 8-10 so you can advance at least 4 pages at a time.
>>
>> Am I clear or confusing?
>>
>> ...mike/kb8jnm
>>
>>
>> I was referring to the bottom of the page where you jump ahead to the next page of nodes.
>>
>> I see you can select to jump 5 pages ahead now. TNX.
>>
>> ...mike/kb8jnm
>>
>> On 1/4/2019 3:22 PM, larry wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I don't see what you refer to.
>> There are 3 different viewing options...
>>
>> 1. make up to 50 nodes per page
>> 2. use the previous/next or jump to multiple page option or
>> 3. just enter info into the filter and it will give yo whatever you want.
>>
>> Or did I miss what you were looking for?
>>
>> Tim has it pretty well covered... and nothing says data will remain on a particular page.
>>
>> Larry - N7FM
>>
>> On 1/4/19 11:29 AM, Mike wrote:
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> I was wondering if something can be done with the paginating buttons on the nodelist display.
>>
>> At no time can you select more than the next page to scroll through the list.
>>
>> Unless you show the whole list quantity.
>>
>> Normally you should be able to jump 5 pages if needed.
>>
>> Just a thought. Having all those button at the bottom isn't helping anything.
>>
>> First, Last and 'Next' page is all you get. Defeats the purpose.
>>
>> Anyway, good work, TNX.
>>
>> ...mike/kb8jnm
>>
>> On 1/4/2019 11:47 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've pointed the Register link on allstarlink.org to the new portal, web-tpa.allstarlink.org (our future portal site).
>>
>> That us brings to four allstarlink.org services that point to web-tpa.allstarlink.org:
>>
>> - New user registration
>> - Password reset
>> - Callsign change
>> - Nodes List
>>
>> At this point web-tpa.allstarlink.org has every service it needs to replace allstarlink.org. The above are just the services that have redirected links. Additionally I'll repoint the entire portal menu soon to have users pound on that before the migration.
>>
>> We don't have a date for the allstarlink.org migration yet, but it will be soon. Stay tuned.
>>
>> --
>> Tim WD6AWP
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