[App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Wed Jul 3 16:15:20 UTC 2019

Source - legal - or matters??   You forgot to detail what brings us to this
thread.  “Works!! “

You are obviously a very bitter and sad person.  I can understand why their
is a max exodus to a friendly, supportive and reliable version.  Thank you
for your time and reinforcing any doubts that I may have chosen the correct
flavor to proceed with.

To be clear I have not paid anyone for software. I have however donated to
show my support for their efforts as I do with fellow repeater owners and
groups whom provide services to which I partake.

If the individual you are pursuing has single handedly contributed the
volumes he has you should concede and follow his lead.  He has obviously
surpassed your ability. With your passion and his get-it-done could one
only imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena?

Not that little oh me matters but you should concentrate on your version
and what you want it to be.  Provide support and most importantly a
consumer friendly solution and I promise folks will use it.  But to stomp
you feet and yell will do nothing but form unfavorable opinions and run
folks off.

To end this thread I want to say thank you to everyone that has helped me
along the way. Before this I knew zero Linux.  This is a hobby and a
learning experience to me.

Off to the teet.   With the elections soon approaching I feel our paths
will cross again.

Cya L8r Bye. ...

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:06 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:

> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>
> >>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> >>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> >>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
> >> form
> >>> of product, updates and support.
>
> Post the source.  Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>
> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>
> >> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
> >> much
> >> from it.  HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
> >> engaged
> >> in criminal copyright infringement against this community.  This is
> >> trampling
> >> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
> reprehensible.
> >>
> >
> > Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP
> distribution I
> > feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> > version.  To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which
> I
> > don’t see occurring.
>
> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
> version
> 2.  You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
> give them the same rights you have.  If you don't you have no right to it.
>
> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
> license, and has failed to cure this.  He has no right to distribute it,
> and
> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>
> > How are developers and users being negatively impacted?  I see nothing
> but
> > users and developers benefiting.
>
> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
> code.
>  This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>
> >> Do you condone this?
> >
> > From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
> > yes.  I don’t see anyone being deprived.
>
> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement.  I'd love to audit his code
> in
> something more than a disassembler.
>
> > I appreciate their hard work and
> > constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> > opportunity.
>
> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name.  Is
> this
> hard?  Certainly not.
>
> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>
> > Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool.  GMRS for example how
> would
> > that group be shamed?  Their are individuals whom use this for personal
> and
> > private networks in the Amateur community.  Is this not in the spirit of
> > the applications creator?
>
> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
> requires
> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.
> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
> I
> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
> did on
> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
>
> >> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
> >> are
> >>> providing a service to the community at large.
> >>
> >> What service is he providing?  What is he contributing if he's unable to
> >> abide
> >> by the basic tenets of the community?
> >
> > I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>
> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.  It's
> sad.
>
> > The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> > the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared
> > to a HOA?
>
> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
> on
> freely sharing ideas and improvements.  At the center of this is the GPL
> and
> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community.  HamVoIP has turned
> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>
> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
> cheering it.  What is _wrong_ with you?
>
> > Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> > and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> > disgruntled HOA members.  I as a user have the option to choose.
>
> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman.  What more
> can I
> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>
> > Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> > reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>
> Your unable to ping it?  Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
> your
> computer.
>
> I'm done with you.  Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
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