[App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 125, Issue 2
Len Griffin
lengriff at optimum.net
Thu Jul 4 13:31:59 UTC 2019
My Personal Experience / Thoughts
When I began learning Allstar and Linux, I became very confused. Looking for
answers using my browser, I was constantly getting conflicting information.
After some time, I became more aware that there were TWO separate AllStar
systems in place, and they did NOT work the same? This severely delayed my
initial progress, and continues to hinder, not help, new hams looking to
learn. I am very angry that this is allowed to continue. How are we to learn
if there are different answers to the same question? There MUST be ONE
answer, and ONE AllStar. Thank you Jim Dixon for your incredible programming
skill and OPENLY sharing it with us!
Doug Crompton is obviously skilled as well, and has proven that. Doug, why
not be proud of your accomplishment, comply with the LAW and share the
source code? What seems to be the problem? We ALL lose by being divided. I'm
late to this game, so I do not know what the history of this issue is. The
LAW says the initial code is OPEN SOURCE, available to anyone. Out of
RESPECT for Jim, WB6NIL, and his collaboration with Mark Spencer on
developing Asterisk, along with his work with Steve Rodgers, WA6ZFT,
developing app_rpt, I will ALWAYS use the OFFICIAL AllStar.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Bryan Fields)
2. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Brad Trogdon)
3. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Skyler F)
4. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Donald Jacob)
5. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (ARS W5OMR)
6. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (cnovey at gmail.com)
7. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Brian G)
8. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Willem Schreuder)
9. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Kirk Just Kirk)
10. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Joe Leikhim)
11. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Kirk Just Kirk)
12. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Matthew Simmons)
13. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Pierre Martel)
14. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (David McGough)
15. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Pierre Martel)
16. Re: Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough (Andrew Sylthe)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
Message-ID: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0 at bryanfields.net>
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On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>> form
>>> of product, updates and support.
Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
The better question; what does he have to hide?
>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>> much
>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>> engaged
>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>> trampling
>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
reprehensible.
>>
>
> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
I
> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
> don?t see occurring.
AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
version
2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and
people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
> users and developers benefiting.
He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
code.
This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>> Do you condone this?
>
> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in
something more than a disassembler.
> I appreciate their hard work and
> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> opportunity.
All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
this
hard? Certainly not.
Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how
would
> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal
and
> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
> the applications creator?
It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
requires
the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.
If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I
won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did
on
the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>> are
>>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>
>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>> abide
>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>
> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.
> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
> to a HOA?
I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on
freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and
it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned
their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can
I
say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
your
computer.
I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
--
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:15:20 -0400
From: Brad Trogdon <Brad at trogdon.org>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Source - legal - or matters?? You forgot to detail what brings us to this
thread. ?Works!! ?
You are obviously a very bitter and sad person. I can understand why their
is a max exodus to a friendly, supportive and reliable version. Thank you
for your time and reinforcing any doubts that I may have chosen the correct
flavor to proceed with.
To be clear I have not paid anyone for software. I have however donated to
show my support for their efforts as I do with fellow repeater owners and
groups whom provide services to which I partake.
If the individual you are pursuing has single handedly contributed the
volumes he has you should concede and follow his lead. He has obviously
surpassed your ability. With your passion and his get-it-done could one
only imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena?
Not that little oh me matters but you should concentrate on your version
and what you want it to be. Provide support and most importantly a
consumer friendly solution and I promise folks will use it. But to stomp
you feet and yell will do nothing but form unfavorable opinions and run
folks off.
To end this thread I want to say thank you to everyone that has helped me
along the way. Before this I knew zero Linux. This is a hobby and a
learning experience to me.
Off to the teet. With the elections soon approaching I feel our paths
will cross again.
Cya L8r Bye. ...
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:06 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>
> >>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> >>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> >>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
> >> form
> >>> of product, updates and support.
>
> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>
> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>
> >> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has
stolen
> >> much
> >> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
> >> engaged
> >> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
> >> trampling
> >> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
> reprehensible.
> >>
> >
> > Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP
> distribution I
> > feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> > version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which
> I
> > don?t see occurring.
>
> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
> version
> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you
must
> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>
> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
> and
> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>
> > How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing
> but
> > users and developers benefiting.
>
> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
> code.
> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>
> >> Do you condone this?
> >
> > From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich
software,
> > yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>
> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
> in
> something more than a disassembler.
>
> > I appreciate their hard work and
> > constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> > opportunity.
>
> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
> this
> hard? Certainly not.
>
> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>
> > Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how
> would
> > that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal
> and
> > private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
> > the applications creator?
>
> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
> requires
> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
license.
> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
> I
> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
> did on
> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
collaboration.
>
> >> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
> >> are
> >>> providing a service to the community at large.
> >>
> >> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable
to
> >> abide
> >> by the basic tenets of the community?
> >
> > I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>
> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
> sad.
>
> > The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> > the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be
compared
> > to a HOA?
>
> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
> on
> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
> and
> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has
turned
> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>
> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>
> > Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> > and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> > disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>
> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
> can I
> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>
> > Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> > reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>
> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
> your
> computer.
>
> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:57:47 -0600
From: Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
Why does the source matter?
The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
and modify things to make it better.
Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
ideas.
Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is crazy! I've never seen
>
> Bryan Fields so angry!
> Yes... I agree with him.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>
>
> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>
> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>
> form
>
> of product, updates and support.
>
>
> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>
> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>
> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
> much
> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
> engaged
> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
> trampling
> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
>
>
> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
I
> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
> don?t see occurring.
>
>
> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
> version
> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>
> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
and
> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>
> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
> users and developers benefiting.
>
>
> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
> code.
> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>
> Do you condone this?
>
>
> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>
>
> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
in
> something more than a disassembler.
>
> I appreciate their hard work and
> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> opportunity.
>
>
> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
> this
> hard? Certainly not.
>
> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>
> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would
> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
> the applications creator?
>
>
> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
> requires
> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
license.
> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
I
> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
> did on
> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
collaboration.
>
> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
> are
>
> providing a service to the community at large.
>
>
> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
> abide
> by the basic tenets of the community?
>
>
> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>
>
> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
sad.
>
> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
> to a HOA?
>
>
> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
> on
> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
and
> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned
> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>
> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>
> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>
>
> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can
> I
> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>
> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>
>
> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
> your
> computer.
>
> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:06:27 -0700
From: Donald Jacob <wb5eku at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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People,
this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we
don't want see this type of
bickering in our hobby.
Take it off list please.
WB5EKU
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
> source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
> are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
>
> Why does the source matter?
>
> The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
> and modify things to make it better.
>
> Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
> user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
> ideas.
>
> Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
> iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is crazy! I've never seen
>>
>> Bryan Fields so angry!
>> Yes... I agree with him.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
>> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>
>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>>
>> form
>>
>> of product, updates and support.
>>
>>
>> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>>
>> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>>
>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>> much
>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>> engaged
>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>> trampling
>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
reprehensible.
>>
>>
>> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
>> I
>> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
>> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
>> don?t see occurring.
>>
>>
>> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
>> version
>> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you
must
>> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>>
>> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
>> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
>> and
>> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>>
>> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
>> users and developers benefiting.
>>
>>
>> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
>> code.
>> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>>
>> Do you condone this?
>>
>>
>> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
>> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>>
>>
>> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
>> in
>> something more than a disassembler.
>>
>> I appreciate their hard work and
>> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
>> opportunity.
>>
>>
>> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
>> this
>> hard? Certainly not.
>>
>> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>>
>> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how
would
>> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal
and
>> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
>> the applications creator?
>>
>>
>> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
>> requires
>> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
>> license.
>> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
>> I
>> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
>> did on
>> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
>> collaboration.
>>
>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>> are
>>
>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>
>>
>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>> abide
>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>>
>>
>> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>>
>>
>> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
>> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
>> sad.
>>
>> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
>> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
>> to a HOA?
>>
>>
>> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
>> on
>> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
>> and
>> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has
turned
>> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>>
>> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
>> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>>
>> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
>> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
>> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>>
>>
>> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
>> can I
>> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>>
>> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
>> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>>
>>
>> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
>> your
>> computer.
>>
>> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 14:04:42 -0500
From: ARS W5OMR <ars.w5omr at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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I think it needs to be aired out completely. Doug Crompton and the rest of
the hamvoip ilk have stolen the code that Jim Duuuuuude (R.I.P.) wrote and
released into the open source world, and made their version proprietary for
*them*, and not releasing any code that THEY changed to the public, as is
open source policy.
I, personally, wouldn't mind seeing them hang for it.
Literally. Hang em, damn thieves!
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 13:07 Donald Jacob <wb5eku at gmail.com> wrote:
> People,
> this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we
> don't want see this type of
> bickering in our hobby.
> Take it off list please.
>
> WB5EKU
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
>> source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because
many
>> are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
>>
>> Why does the source matter?
>>
>> The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to
>> experiment and modify things to make it better.
>>
>> Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
>> user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
>> ideas.
>>
>> Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
>> iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is crazy! I've never seen
>>>
>>> Bryan Fields so angry!
>>> Yes... I agree with him.
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
>>> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>>> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>>>
>>> form
>>>
>>> of product, updates and support.
>>>
>>>
>>> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>>>
>>> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>>>
>>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>>> much
>>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>>> engaged
>>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>>> trampling
>>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
>>> reprehensible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP
>>> distribution I
>>> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
>>> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which
I
>>> don?t see occurring.
>>>
>>>
>>> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
>>> version
>>> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you
>>> must
>>> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to
it.
>>>
>>> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
>>> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
>>> and
>>> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>>>
>>> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing
but
>>> users and developers benefiting.
>>>
>>>
>>> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
>>> code.
>>> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>>>
>>> Do you condone this?
>>>
>>>
>>> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich
software,
>>> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>>>
>>>
>>> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
>>> in
>>> something more than a disassembler.
>>>
>>> I appreciate their hard work and
>>> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
>>> opportunity.
>>>
>>>
>>> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
>>> this
>>> hard? Certainly not.
>>>
>>> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>>>
>>> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how
>>> would
>>> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal
>>> and
>>> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
>>> the applications creator?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
>>> requires
>>> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
>>> license.
>>> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD
>>> licensed. I
>>> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
>>> did on
>>> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
>>> collaboration.
>>>
>>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>>> are
>>>
>>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>>
>>>
>>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>>> abide
>>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>>>
>>>
>>> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and
has
>>> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
>>> sad.
>>>
>>> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
>>> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be
compared
>>> to a HOA?
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is
>>> based on
>>> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
>>> and
>>> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has
>>> turned
>>> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>>>
>>> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
>>> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>>>
>>> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
>>> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
>>> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>>>
>>>
>>> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
>>> can I
>>> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>>>
>>> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
>>> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>>>
>>>
>>> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
>>> your
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan Fields
>>>
>>> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:26:32 -0700
From: <cnovey at gmail.com>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
<app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Hamvoip does not participate in a ?true collaborative arena? as the actual
author of the software intended. They locked (stole) open source code and
prevent others from contributing. Until they do what is right and open the
code as was intended by the original author, I will not use their version.
Open source projects are OPEN for all to examine and improve. I am always
excited to find a new and useful open source project because I know that the
community is working together- for both improvements AND watching out for
security risks and mal-intent. If Linux was not open source we could all be
paying per copy.
I encourage everyone to check out this article that outlines some of the
benefits and reasons why keeping something open source AS INTENDED is so
important and beneficial.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/209891/10_reasons_open_source_is_good_for_bu
siness.html
73,
Clifford
KK6QMS
From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf
Of Brad Trogdon
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 9:15 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
??imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena??
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:35:08 -0400
From: Brian G <gravesb at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Well I don't really have a dog in this race but since my inbox is full of
this right now, here goes...
Anyone who thinks there's nothing wrong with what the Hamvoip team has done
doesn't understand the GPL and what open source means.
The Hamvoip website claims their product is open source. When you ask for a
link to the source code you get angry diatribes and accusations instead of
a Github link.
If they truly wanted to collaborate, they could have contributed to the
already open code base and made AllStar better. Instead one guy had a fit,
took other people's work, slapped their own branding on it and won't
release the source for any changes that have been made. Now they're turning
it into a commercial product by charging money for a service that is based
on stolen software.
This is 110% in violation of the terms laid out in the GPL... which anyone
who releases modified GPL software is required to adhere to. What is there
to hide? Release the source.
That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.
73 to all,
Brian - VA3DXV
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 PM Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
> source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
> are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
>
> Why does the source matter?
>
> The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
> and modify things to make it better.
>
> Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
> user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
> ideas.
>
> Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
> iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is crazy! I've never seen
>>
>> Bryan Fields so angry!
>> Yes... I agree with him.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
>> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>
>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>>
>> form
>>
>> of product, updates and support.
>>
>>
>> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>>
>> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>>
>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>> much
>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>> engaged
>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>> trampling
>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
reprehensible.
>>
>>
>> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
>> I
>> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
>> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
>> don?t see occurring.
>>
>>
>> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
>> version
>> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you
must
>> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>>
>> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
>> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
>> and
>> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>>
>> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
>> users and developers benefiting.
>>
>>
>> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
>> code.
>> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>>
>> Do you condone this?
>>
>>
>> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
>> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>>
>>
>> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
>> in
>> something more than a disassembler.
>>
>> I appreciate their hard work and
>> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
>> opportunity.
>>
>>
>> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
>> this
>> hard? Certainly not.
>>
>> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>>
>> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how
would
>> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal
and
>> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
>> the applications creator?
>>
>>
>> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
>> requires
>> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
>> license.
>> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
>> I
>> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
>> did on
>> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
>> collaboration.
>>
>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>> are
>>
>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>
>>
>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>> abide
>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>>
>>
>> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>>
>>
>> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
>> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
>> sad.
>>
>> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
>> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
>> to a HOA?
>>
>>
>> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
>> on
>> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
>> and
>> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has
turned
>> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>>
>> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
>> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>>
>> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
>> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
>> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>>
>>
>> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
>> can I
>> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>>
>> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
>> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>>
>>
>> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
>> your
>> computer.
>>
>> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing
listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:58:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:
> That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
> issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
> project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.
I really don't like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires
the community to point out violations. In ham radio we only rely on the
FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure.
A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams)
are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds
the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law.
73 -Willem AC0KQ
================================================================
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Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:02:36 -0700
From: Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Wow....what ever happened to "it works so well".....the rest of us that are
not interested in the political end of things sure as hell don't want to
throw a wrench into the works. everyone has contributed to this effort....I
think Jim would be proud of it's progression. Towards the end he was very
busy with other things.....Allstar has made great progress...both sides of
the fence
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 12:58 PM Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:
>
> > That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
> > issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
> > project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to
> start.
>
> I really don't like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires
> the community to point out violations. In ham radio we only rely on the
> FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure.
>
> A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams)
> are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds
> the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law.
>
> 73 -Willem AC0KQ
>
> ================================================================
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 16:23:39 -0400
From: Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com>
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Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
So who really has legal standing here?
--
Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:42:07 -0700
From: Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Make it a technical battle...which variety can be the most feature
laden......
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:24 PM Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com> wrote:
> I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
> in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
> Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
> the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
> specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
> makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
>
> So who really has legal standing here?
>
> --
> Joe Leikhim
>
>
> Leikhim and Associates
>
> Communications Consultants
>
> Oviedo, Florida
>
> JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
>
> 407-982-0446
>
> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:53:13 -0700
From: Matthew Simmons <km6toa at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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This is embarrassing. Do your dirty laundry in private.
KM6TOA
Node 49245
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:42 PM Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Make it a technical battle...which variety can be the most feature
> laden......
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:24 PM Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
>> in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
>> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
>> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
>> Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
>> the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
>> specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
>> makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
>>
>> So who really has legal standing here?
>>
>> --
>> Joe Leikhim
>>
>>
>> Leikhim and Associates
>>
>> Communications Consultants
>>
>> Oviedo, Florida
>>
>> JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
>>
>> 407-982-0446
>>
>> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:05:46 -0400
From: Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It is
already in private, Private communication between the people that have
business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of that
thing.
Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source are
exactly for that.
It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into
moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..
this would not even be far fetched.
There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry if
it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries with
dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The main
programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept the
IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
upgrading that software..
But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
cant have nice things..
Pierre
VE2PF
P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
thing that could happen to allstarlink.
Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 ? 16:53, Matthew Simmons <km6toa at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> This is embarrassing. Do your dirty laundry in private.
>
> KM6TOA
> Node 49245
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:42 PM Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Make it a technical battle...which variety can be the most feature
>> laden......
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:24 PM Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
>>> in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
>>> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
>>> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
>>> Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
>>> the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
>>> specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
>>> makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
>>>
>>> So who really has legal standing here?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joe Leikhim
>>>
>>>
>>> Leikhim and Associates
>>>
>>> Communications Consultants
>>>
>>> Oviedo, Florida
>>>
>>> JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
>>>
>>> 407-982-0446
>>>
>>> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:06:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
the Sun even more.
A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
....LMAO....
73, David KB4FXC
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
> My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It
is
> already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
that
> thing.
>
> Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
> could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
> the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source
are
> exactly for that.
>
> It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into
> moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..
> this would not even be far fetched.
>
> There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry
if
> it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
> telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
> is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
>
> It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
with
> dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
main
> programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept
the
> IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
> still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
>
> We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> upgrading that software..
>
> But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
>
> Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> cant have nice things..
>
> Pierre
> VE2PF
>
> P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
> thing that could happen to allstarlink.
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:10:04 -0400
From: Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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You can have good laugh, but can you prove me wrong?
;-)
Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 ? 23:07, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> a ?crit :
>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It
> is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
> that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done
and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we
know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source
> are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
> into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
> half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry
> if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog
then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there
version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
> with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
> main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept
> the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if
he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit
fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the
worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 03:41:05 -0500
From: Andrew Sylthe <asylthe at kc9ona.com>
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Yeah, fun and games, but you won't release the source, correct?
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It
> is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
> that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done
and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we
know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source
> are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
> into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
> half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry
> if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog
then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there
version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
> with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
> main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept
> the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if
he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit
fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the
worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
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