[App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Fri Jul 5 20:32:40 UTC 2019

The best email I have read since the start of all of this.

Harold

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From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 1:29 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move. You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know this too.

I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.

Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift. Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net<mailto:bob at ruddy.net>> wrote:
100% agree with everything you said.

Bob

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com<mailto:kb9mwr at gmail.com>> wrote:
I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.

The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
the benefit of open source

Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
became the answer to my prayers.

Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
closed source case, not so much.

Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.

Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...

Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
than by providing something geared for appliance folks.

Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net<mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
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