[App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Fri Jul 5 20:30:10 UTC 2019

John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the
deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
this too.

I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
(yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.

Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit
for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift.
Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:

> 100% agree with everything you said.
>
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
>> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
>> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
>> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>>
>> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
>> the benefit of open source
>>
>> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
>> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
>> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
>> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
>> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
>> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
>> became the answer to my prayers.
>>
>> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
>> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
>> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
>> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
>> closed source case, not so much.
>>
>> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>>
>> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>>
>> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
>> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
>> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>>
>> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
>> > release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
>> > completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
>> > becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
>> > This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
>> even
>> > more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
>> > the Sun even more.
>> >
>> > A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
>> > thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
>> as
>> > the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
>> > from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>> Raspberry
>> > Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>> >
>> >
>> > ....LMAO....
>> >
>> >
>> > 73, David KB4FXC
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>> >
>> > > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say.
>> It is
>> > > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
>> > > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts
>> of that
>> > > thing.
>> > >
>> > > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
>> > > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done
>> and
>> > > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since
>> they
>> > > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we
>> know,
>> > > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open
>> source are
>> > > exactly for that.
>> > >
>> > > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
>> into
>> > > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
>> half..
>> > > this would not even be far fetched.
>> > >
>> > > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation
>> sorry if
>> > > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog
>> then
>> > > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there
>> version
>> > > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
>> > > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
>> > >
>> > > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen,
>> SDR#
>> > > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing
>> binaries with
>> > > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable.
>> The main
>> > > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always
>> kept the
>> > > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even
>> if he
>> > > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
>> > > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would
>> be
>> > > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we
>> would
>> > > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of
>> us.
>> > >
>> > > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
>> > > upgrading that software..
>> > >
>> > > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit
>> fall.
>> > >
>> > > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that
>> we
>> > > cant have nice things..
>> > >
>> > > Pierre
>> > > VE2PF
>> > >
>> > > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the
>> worst
>> > > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
>> > >
>> >
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