[App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Sun Jul 7 18:59:43 UTC 2019

I asked Todd to comment on this. He has done so here:
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/history-of-zapata-telephony-asterisk-allstar-and-app-rpt-open-source/15162

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Zapatelephony predates both app_rpt and Asterisk. Asterisk and app_rpt are
> based on concepts presented on the Zapatelephony web site. This bit of
> history is not well understood but Todd Lesser (who's name in on that site
> and is a current AllStar board member) was there through it all. That
> Zapatelephony site is about the circuit board. Read the whole
> http://zapatatelephony.org web site, not just the one page taken out of
> context.
>
> The Zapatelephony circuit board was released under public domain to lower
> the cost of PBX creation. Asterisk and app_rpt have been open source since
> day one. There is no question about that any "proof" to the contrary is
> plainly wrong.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Joshua,
>>
>>
>> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
>> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
>> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
>> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2"
>> comments.
>>
>> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
>> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
>> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
>> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
>>
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
>>
>> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
>> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
>> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
>> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
>> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
>>
>> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is:
>> 17STPB08347
>>
>> Go to this website and search for the case number:
>>
>> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
>>
>>
>> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
>> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
>>
>> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
>> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
>> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
>>
>>
>> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the
>> flames
>> (hearsay) fly.
>>
>>
>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>>
>> > John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
>> > respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this
>> move.
>> > You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand
>> the
>> > deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
>> > this too.
>> >
>> > I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug
>> too
>> > is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
>> > networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
>> > offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
>> > (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
>> >
>> > Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what
>> was
>> > done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
>> > proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
>> > deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
>> > not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying
>> to
>> > fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all
>> so
>> > easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the
>> credit
>> > for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this.
>> It
>> > was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really
>> is
>> > that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this
>> gift.
>> > Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > 100% agree with everything you said.
>> > >
>> > > Bob
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
>> > >> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
>> > >> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just
>> have
>> > >> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>> > >>
>> > >> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
>> > >> the benefit of open source
>> > >>
>> > >> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
>> > >> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
>> > >> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
>> > >> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
>> > >> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
>> > >> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
>> > >> became the answer to my prayers.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
>> > >> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
>> > >> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
>> > >> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
>> > >> closed source case, not so much.
>> > >>
>> > >> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored
>> Tomato.
>> > >>
>> > >> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>> > >>
>> > >> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
>> > >> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
>> > >> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>> > >>
>> > >> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
>> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the
>> HamVoIP
>> > >> > release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator,
>> throwing it
>> > >> > completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the
>> effect
>> > >> > becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot
>> Minimum.
>> > >> > This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots
>> means
>> > >> even
>> > >> > more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn,
>> dampens
>> > >> > the Sun even more.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic
>> 1962
>> > >> > thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David
>> McGough,
>> > >> as
>> > >> > the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of
>> the plot
>> > >> > from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>> > >> Raspberry
>> > >> > Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ....LMAO....
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 73, David KB4FXC
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>>
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