[App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Tue Jul 9 16:21:23 UTC 2019

Here is a direct recording from Doug Crompton on his interview on QSO today:
He states the downside of IRLP on the closed source manner, and the fact is
operated by one person, and then later states the benefits of AllStar
Sounds familiar Doug??

kg0sky.duckdns.org/doug_crompton.wav

Whole interview can be found here:
https://www.qsotoday.com/podcasts/wa3dsp

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:58 AM todd at lesser.com <todd at nccom.com> wrote:

> They definitely didn’t say anything about public domain and actually
> acknowledged on their web page that it open source! In other words, they
> knew it was open source when they chose to download the source code. They
> knew that any changes they made and redistributed that they have to release
> back to the community.
>
> https://www.hamvoip.org
>
> “Why Allstar?
>
> We are often asked why Allstar with all of the new RF digital repeaters
> and their VOIP connection schemes out there. The best answer is open
> source, quality audio, and freedom to do what you want. Dstar, Fusion, DMR,
> etc are all at least partially if not completely proprietary systems…”
>
> To make matters even worse, they now they are monetizing on all the work
> many people have done to make Allstar what it is today by asking for people
> to send them money!
>
> I know there are some personality conflicts with Doug and some of the tech
> support people. I personally have tried to be the buffer and was rebuffed.
> There is no excuse not to release the code.
>
> Jim Dixon would be so upset if he was alive today.
> Shame on them.
>
> On Jul 7, 2019, at 17:00, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>
> Seems pretty clear to me. It seemed pretty clear to me when V1.5RC was
> released a couple years ago and I, among others, asked about why the source
> was not forthcoming. The reasons seem to change somewhat every so often.
> I’d have to look at the original email, but it definitely didn’t mention
> any belief that app_rpt or anything related was public domain.
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name <buddy at brannan.name>
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I asked Todd to comment on this. He has done so here:
> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/history-of-zapata-telephony-asterisk-allstar-and-app-rpt-open-source/15162
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Zapatelephony predates both app_rpt and Asterisk. Asterisk and app_rpt are
> based on concepts presented on the Zapatelephony web site. This bit of
> history is not well understood but Todd Lesser (who's name in on that site
> and is a current AllStar board member) was there through it all. That
> Zapatelephony site is about the circuit board. Read the whole
> http://zapatatelephony.org web site, not just the one page taken out of
> context.
>
> The Zapatelephony circuit board was released under public domain to lower
> the cost of PBX creation. Asterisk and app_rpt have been open source since
> day one. There is no question about that any "proof" to the contrary is
> plainly wrong.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>
>
> Joshua,
>
>
> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2"
> comments.
>
> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
>
> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
>
> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is:
> 17STPB08347
>
> Go to this website and search for the case number:
>
> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
>
>
> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
>
> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
>
>
> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the flames
> (hearsay) fly.
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>
> John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
> respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
> You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the
> deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
> this too.
>
> I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
> is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
> networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
> offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
> (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
>
> Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
> done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
> proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
> deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
> not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
> fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
> easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit
> for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
> was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
> that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift.
> Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
>
> 100% agree with everything you said.
>
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>
> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
> the benefit of open source
>
> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
> became the answer to my prayers.
>
> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
> closed source case, not so much.
>
> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>
> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>
> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>
> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
>
> even
>
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
>
> as
>
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>
> Raspberry
>
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
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