[App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Tue Jul 9 16:53:09 UTC 2019

Hey that's a good one!

Le mar. 9 juill. 2019 12 h 21, Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Here is a direct recording from Doug Crompton on his interview on QSO
> today:
> He states the downside of IRLP on the closed source manner, and the fact
> is operated by one person, and then later states the benefits of AllStar
> Sounds familiar Doug??
>
> kg0sky.duckdns.org/doug_crompton.wav
>
> Whole interview can be found here:
> https://www.qsotoday.com/podcasts/wa3dsp
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:58 AM todd at lesser.com <todd at nccom.com> wrote:
>
>> They definitely didn’t say anything about public domain and actually
>> acknowledged on their web page that it open source! In other words, they
>> knew it was open source when they chose to download the source code. They
>> knew that any changes they made and redistributed that they have to release
>> back to the community.
>>
>> https://www.hamvoip.org
>>
>> “Why Allstar?
>>
>> We are often asked why Allstar with all of the new RF digital repeaters
>> and their VOIP connection schemes out there. The best answer is open
>> source, quality audio, and freedom to do what you want. Dstar, Fusion, DMR,
>> etc are all at least partially if not completely proprietary systems…”
>>
>> To make matters even worse, they now they are monetizing on all the work
>> many people have done to make Allstar what it is today by asking for people
>> to send them money!
>>
>> I know there are some personality conflicts with Doug and some of the
>> tech support people. I personally have tried to be the buffer and was
>> rebuffed. There is no excuse not to release the code.
>>
>> Jim Dixon would be so upset if he was alive today.
>> Shame on them.
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 17:00, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>>
>> Seems pretty clear to me. It seemed pretty clear to me when V1.5RC was
>> released a couple years ago and I, among others, asked about why the source
>> was not forthcoming. The reasons seem to change somewhat every so often.
>> I’d have to look at the original email, but it definitely didn’t mention
>> any belief that app_rpt or anything related was public domain.
>>
>>
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name <buddy at brannan.name>
>> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I asked Todd to comment on this. He has done so here:
>> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/history-of-zapata-telephony-asterisk-allstar-and-app-rpt-open-source/15162
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Zapatelephony predates both app_rpt and Asterisk. Asterisk and app_rpt
>> are based on concepts presented on the Zapatelephony web site. This bit of
>> history is not well understood but Todd Lesser (who's name in on that site
>> and is a current AllStar board member) was there through it all. That
>> Zapatelephony site is about the circuit board. Read the whole
>> http://zapatatelephony.org web site, not just the one page taken out of
>> context.
>>
>> The Zapatelephony circuit board was released under public domain to lower
>> the cost of PBX creation. Asterisk and app_rpt have been open source since
>> day one. There is no question about that any "proof" to the contrary is
>> plainly wrong.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Joshua,
>>
>>
>> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
>> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
>> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
>> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2"
>> comments.
>>
>> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
>> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
>> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
>> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
>>
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
>>
>> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
>> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
>> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
>> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
>> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
>>
>> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is:
>> 17STPB08347
>>
>> Go to this website and search for the case number:
>>
>> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
>>
>>
>> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
>> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
>>
>> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
>> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
>> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
>>
>>
>> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the
>> flames
>> (hearsay) fly.
>>
>>
>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>>
>> John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
>> respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
>> You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand
>> the
>> deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
>> this too.
>>
>> I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
>> is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
>> networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
>> offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
>> (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
>>
>> Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
>> done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
>> proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
>> deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
>> not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
>> fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
>> easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the
>> credit
>> for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
>> was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
>> that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this
>> gift.
>> Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
>>
>> 100% agree with everything you said.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
>> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
>> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
>> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>>
>> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
>> the benefit of open source
>>
>> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
>> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
>> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
>> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
>> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
>> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
>> became the answer to my prayers.
>>
>> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
>> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
>> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
>> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
>> closed source case, not so much.
>>
>> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>>
>> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>>
>> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
>> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
>> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>>
>> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
>> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
>> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
>> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
>> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
>>
>> even
>>
>> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
>> the Sun even more.
>>
>> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
>> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
>>
>> as
>>
>> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
>> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>>
>> Raspberry
>>
>> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>>
>>
>> ....LMAO....
>>
>>
>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>
>>
>>
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