Hi Scott / Tim, I am afraid I have run out of ideas, I have even changed the 4569 port to 4568 just in case 4569 was still trying to latch itself onto the defunct G0LCE server. I also changed the port access in my router settings and in iax.conf files. I have my own dns server here and I can see my system and the portal talking to each other so I can only think that it is a port forwarding problem. One point, I have Echolink enabled and have the correct ports open too, does Echolink use the Allstar port 4569 too or does it access via the Echolink ports. If the answer is "it uses its own ports" then my theory of it being a port forwarding problem is shot down as it would need 3 ports to be setup wrong Could it be that the data on the Allstar Portal has been screwed up because of the way I originally set 2 servers on there. If so how can we un screw it Would re installing everything from here be worth trying? Regards Ken G0LCE