Hi Kevin, Yes, I agree. My first post (see my post about the Si5351B) mentioned the spectral purity issues with the Si5351 family. The post you referenced, below, was in regard to using the Si5351 as a precision microprocessor clock. Anyhow, I'm tinkering with a solution for Mastr II radios right now, using a Si5351 followed by a cleanup PLL/VCO. I think this method is going to work nicely. 73, David KB4FXC On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Kevin Custer wrote:
There is one thing everyone is missing in this discussion. If the intention of this oscillator is to be used in duplex service, be aware that the Si series of products may not have the spectral purity for duplex applications. By spectral purity, I mean transmitter side band noise. Stability using GPS is likely easy, but making an oscillator clean enough isn't always easy.
I say this because there has been a great deal of interest in making programmable channel elements for older crystal radios using the Si series. These modules exist, but testing has shown that they don't have the noise specification required for duplex operation. This means it may be more challenging or impossible to make them work in some duplex applications. Of course, this depends on how the OCXO/Si is used. If it were driving the loop reference of a free running on-frequency oscillator, locked by PLL, then you'd have the best of all worlds - synthesized frequency reference, low transmitter side-band noise, and the ability to modulate it. Something similar to the GE MASTR II PLL exciter and its operation could be considered.
Kevin Custer
On 6/6/2016 12:06 PM, David McGough wrote:
If you GPS-discipline that OCXO, I think it would be more than adequate. Since you've already got the 1 PPS GPS signal, all that should be needed in addition to the OCXO/Si5351 is a little $3 Arduino board (like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/131702108124 ) to program the desired output frequency(s) and perform compensation.
$16 for an OCXO ---NICE! ...The whole project maybe $25!
On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Joe Moskalski wrote:
I mentioned this to someone else, QRP Labs has a kit that creates a OCXO around the Si5351 chip. here is the link:
http://www.qrp-labs.com/ocxokit.html
If you couple this with another kit of theirs you can program it it any frequency you want. My only thought is would it be accurate/stable enough.
http://www.qrp-labs.com/progrock.html
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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Joe,
While on the subject of the Si5351 chips, the application of converting one reference clock to a secondary frequency is what they were designed for. So, since you've already got a GPS reference, this -might- be an inexpensive starting point...For this application, you obviously won't need all the bells and whistles presented in this article! See:
http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus/Si5351/Si5351_VFO_QEX.pdf http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus
Note that I would replace the Si5351 25MHz reference with a decent TCXO (available on ebay, etc.)....Note that I haven't used the Si5351 with an RTCM, there may be simpler/better ways???
73, David KB4FXC
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