You know folks Just use some common sense. If your gear is in operation and has active traffic, ID it, CW or Voice make no difference. if it is a Simplex Node, same rule applies if it has active traffic, ID it, choose your method CW or Voice. if it is a Repeater Node and has activity, it should ID at the proper intervals. and again choose your method, CW or Voice! Plain and simple if you or your gear transmits RF in the HAM bands, ID it if it is a digital mode make sure you have it ID in the mode it operates in. other wise use CW at proper intervals. yes the rules are there for us to use as a guide. Use common sense folks it is so simple. No need to have the Lawyers or ones who think they are one, interpret every little thing. I did not mention exact intervals because every country and local around the world has different rules. But you have to ID, it is just being a good operator. This thread has gone on far too long JMHO & 2 cents worth! -- Thanks in Advance Bob Brown, WØNQX Kansas City Metro Area http://sm0kenet.net http://byrg.net http://kcdstar.byrg.net http://w0nqx.blogspot.com Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Jim W7RY <w7ry@centurytel.net> wrote:
And what you have cut and pasted below is a station operating as a beacon station. Not a repeater station sending “CW (modulated interrupted tone) or voice” by frequency modulation (FM).
Beacons are used for propagation determination on 10, 6 and 2 meters. Although I have never heard a 2 meter beacon station. Have you ever heard a beacon station on 10 or 6 meters? When 10 meters has propagation, I can hear 100s of them.
A beacon station transmits A1 (CW). Not F3 (FM) or CW by modulated FM.
73 Jim W7RY
*From:* ALERTradio ERC | N0PCO <n0pco@alertradio.net> *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2013 9:02 AM *To:* Jim W7RY <w7ry@centurytel.net> *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements
On 03/29/2013 09:57 AM, Jim W7RY wrote:
Please point me to the part 97 rules that state beaconing is illegal.
73 Jim W7RY
§ 97.203 Beacon station. (a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a Technician, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be a beacon. A holder of a Technician, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be the control operator of a beacon, subject to the privileges of the class of operator license held. (b) A beacon must not concurrently transmit on more than 1 channel in the same amateur service frequency band, from the same station location. (c) The transmitter power of a beacon must not exceed 100 W. *(d) A beacon may be automatically controlled while it is transmitting on the 28.20–28.30 MHz, 50.06–50.08 MHz, 144.275–144.300 MHz, 222.05–222.06 MHz or 432.300–432.400 MHz segments, or on the 33 cm and shorter wavelength bands.*
Another one of those yes but no situation courtesy of the FCC. Since the beacon is automatically controlled announcing the availability of the repeater / link and in most cases the repeater / link is not operating on a frequency within the groups listed under 97.203(d) the beacon would not be legal.
97.111(b) would be a good place to check regarding one-way communications
(b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; *(2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations;* (3) Telecommand; (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code; and *(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins.* (7) Transmissions of telemetry.
A voice announcement providing information about the repeater (callsign, PL tone, etc.) would fit as permissible one-way communications. That some would still call a "beacon." Then going back to 97.203(d) if the same were to be done with CW it would not be permissible unless there was already traffic on the repeater then it would just be a plain old identification.
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