In that case I do not believe it is possible to only use a single RTCM at a site that contains both a 6m RF device and 2m RF device. Because they are 2 separate repeater systems each is a separate node in Asterisk and an RTCM can only be associated with a single node. Brett On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Steve Wright <stevewrightnz@gmail.com> wrote:
Scuse the top posting;
There is a 2m voter simulcast system. It can be expanded upon by adding more GPSDO transmitters, and more voting receivers - just as any voter simulcast system would be.
And there is a 6m voter simulcast system. It can be expanded upon by adding more GPSDO transmitters, and more voting receivers - just as any voter simulcast system would be.
The 2m and 6m simulcast systems are NOT connected so they function as a cross-band talk-through repeater.
The 2m node AND SEPARATELY the 6m node are independent repeaters in their own right. To the ordinary joe ham radio operator, the only thing in common is that you can dial (via asterisk) one from the other in common use.
The only confusing thing about the 2m and the 6m repeaters from the technical point of view as noted, is that one physically shares the others' site and controller.
So, each, they are not simplex remote bases, but full simulcast repeater systems.
Steve
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Brett Friermood <brett.friermood@gmail.com> wrote:
The remote base way won't scale beyond two sites while still keeping only a single RTCM per site and keeping the repeaters separate. As soon as another transmitter on the other band is plugged in it will transmit no matter what receiver is receiving.
Yes, the terms can get a little confusing when you start messing with non-standard configurations. I generally use the following:
A site is a physical location on a map, usually holding a collection of RF hardware, or otherwise defined as where an RTCM(s) sits.
A node is a virtual resource existing only within the Asterisk framework and is used to do things including linking to others.
A repeater is an RF resource consisting of a transmitter and receiver, which may involve different bands or locations (sites), but function simultaneously.
A system consists of multiple pieces of something. Adding links between otherwise standalone repeaters creates a system. I would define multiple sites using voted receivers and simulcast transmitters as a voted/simulcast repeater system. The individual sites do not necessarily contain a repeater because other parts of the system are needed to function. The entire system, however, is a repeater.
I understand what you are trying to do as far as the distributed sites to provide the required coverage and reduce duplexer costs. The one thing we have yet to pin you down on is whether the 2m repeater and 6m repeater should exist separately on RF or if they are really just one system? In other words, should a 2m only radio be able to talk to a 6m only radio a) all the time, b) never, or c) only when linked?
Brett KQ9N
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Steve Wright <stevewrightnz@gmail.com> wrote:
The first way to setup the unlinked configuration is to use four RTCMs. These would then link back to two separate nodes. This would allow the ability to link the two repeaters when needed/wanted. Of course this is what you don't want because of excess RTCMs.
Yes, exactly.
The "new" way that Mike (W5JR) [...] Cactus Intertie [..] uses this configuration. [...] in-band repeaters [where] the receiver audio is linked to the rest of the [same band voting] system and not repeated through the local [non band] transmitter [that is part of an identical and linkable node].
[...] two nodes would need to be created. One node for the Site "A" RTCM and the second for the Site "B" RTCM. Then link these through Asterisk. When the A receiver picks up a signal the audio would be sent back and sent to the B transmitter. Similarly any signal picked up by the B receiver would be sent to the A transmitter. Both appearing independent of each other.
Yes indeedy!
Setting duplex=1 will not repeat the audio from receiver to [the same site] transmitter, but uses half duplex operation for simplex nodes.
Thanks Brett, that's perfect!
If we do this, will our split-site (but same-band) repeater still have talk-through?
Also can I arbitrarily add other TX and RX sites to this "repeater" "node"?
I add the "", because with split-site operation the definition of "node" is not particularly clear with respect to the site.
So in summary, we are looking at multiple-site voted systems due to not having good access to one high site, and the few (expensive) high sites leave some pretty big holes anyway. We are looking at using the split-tx/rx approach as above to avoid the expensive and complicated duplexing.
Steve
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