Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
It's funny to write this yet again, however AllStar is being attacked by the people who have contributed nothing and stolen everything from this community. I was forwarded an email with claims of registration issues by John David McGough. Now these people (who use the AllStar registration servers and core infrastructure) claim once again, AllStar has problems with registration services. They refuse to provide any evidence of this, but have no problems spreading this FUD. Registration is, and has been working. ASL has multiple servers running, and the nodes list is being generated properly too. This is stable and working. If one dies, DNS moves it to another server. If one has a registration issue, what is a better way to handle it; a. email the help desk <rt@allstarlink.org> or this mailing list, or b. provide no notice and bitch about and libel the community? Anyone can check <https://grafana.allstarlink.org> and see the registration counts, and the top authentication failures. This isn't on a delay, if something is broken it's going to show there, and it's the first thing the admin team checks when problems are reported. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Bryan Fields, Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form of product, updates and support. I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than Amateur applications as well. I personally appreciate the assistance as do all the others that come to a source that they know will offer them direct and transparent assistance. If the complaint were the first I would think that it’s an anomaly but their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and inability to connect to others. Got that you have a tool but does the tool provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues connecting to others. I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are providing a service to the community at large. I appreciate their work. On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:54 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
It's funny to write this yet again, however AllStar is being attacked by the people who have contributed nothing and stolen everything from this community.
I was forwarded an email with claims of registration issues by John David McGough. Now these people (who use the AllStar registration servers and core infrastructure) claim once again, AllStar has problems with registration services. They refuse to provide any evidence of this, but have no problems spreading this FUD.
Registration is, and has been working. ASL has multiple servers running, and the nodes list is being generated properly too. This is stable and working. If one dies, DNS moves it to another server.
If one has a registration issue, what is a better way to handle it; a. email the help desk <rt@allstarlink.org> or this mailing list, or b. provide no notice and bitch about and libel the community?
Anyone can check <https://grafana.allstarlink.org> and see the registration counts, and the top authentication failures. This isn't on a delay, if something is broken it's going to show there, and it's the first thing the admin team checks when problems are reported.
73's -- Bryan Fields
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FYI. AllStarLink.org is reported as down on the link provided by Bryan Fields On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:54 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
It's funny to write this yet again, however AllStar is being attacked by the people who have contributed nothing and stolen everything from this community.
I was forwarded an email with claims of registration issues by John David McGough. Now these people (who use the AllStar registration servers and core infrastructure) claim once again, AllStar has problems with registration services. They refuse to provide any evidence of this, but have no problems spreading this FUD.
Registration is, and has been working. ASL has multiple servers running, and the nodes list is being generated properly too. This is stable and working. If one dies, DNS moves it to another server.
If one has a registration issue, what is a better way to handle it; a. email the help desk <rt@allstarlink.org> or this mailing list, or b. provide no notice and bitch about and libel the community?
Anyone can check <https://grafana.allstarlink.org> and see the registration counts, and the top authentication failures. This isn't on a delay, if something is broken it's going to show there, and it's the first thing the admin team checks when problems are reported.
73's -- Bryan Fields
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On 7/2/19 4:54 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Bryan Fields,
Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form of product, updates and support.
HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible. Do you condone this?
I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than Amateur applications as well.
Please name and shame them. Using John David/Inttek code certainly exposes a commercial entity to action of copyright infringement. If it's knowingly using it, it's a crime.
If the complaint were the first I would think that it’s an anomaly but their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and inability to connect to others. Got that you have a tool but does the tool provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues connecting to others.
There's not a problem with it, no one is complaining, other than John David McGough.
I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are providing a service to the community at large.
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide by the basic tenets of the community? -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Will respond to each point individually and will also post questions as well. Thanks for your engagement as this will help myself and other users of AllStar distributions draw our own conclusions by being fully informed. On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:03 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 7/2/19 4:54 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Bryan Fields,
Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form of product, updates and support.
HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring. How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.
Do you condone this?
From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived. I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.
I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than Amateur applications as well.
Please name and shame them. Using John David/Inttek code certainly exposes a commercial entity to action of copyright infringement. If it's knowingly using it, it's a crime.
Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?
If the complaint were the first I would think that it’s an anomaly but their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and inability to connect to others. Got that you have a tool but does the tool provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues connecting to others.
There's not a problem with it, no one is complaining, other than John David McGough.
I beg to differ. You should review the HamVoIP archives and you will see a steady stream of folks having issues that request and receive assistance in resolving their nodes connectivity issues. Why are the folks asking others for assistance? Could it be that they are not getting it elsewhere?
I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
providing a service to the community at large.
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide by the basic tenets of the community?
I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions. Not sure whom created it but the SuperMon dashboard is a fantastic feature. The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA? Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose. I obviously chose an enhanced and feature rich version whom has a large community that provides support and guidance. The package is user friendly to even those non Linux folks. Heck I figured it out. Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down) -Brad
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What in heck has our hobby come to? VIA Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS ________________________________ From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of Brad Trogdon <brad@trogdon.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:45 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough Will respond to each point individually and will also post questions as well. Thanks for your engagement as this will help myself and other users of AllStar distributions draw our own conclusions by being fully informed. On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:03 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net<mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net>> wrote: On 7/2/19 4:54 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Bryan Fields,
Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form of product, updates and support.
HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible. Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring. How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting. Do you condone this?
From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived. I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.
I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than Amateur applications as well.
Please name and shame them. Using John David/Inttek code certainly exposes a commercial entity to action of copyright infringement. If it's knowingly using it, it's a crime. Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?
If the complaint were the first I would think that it’s an anomaly but their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and inability to connect to others. Got that you have a tool but does the tool provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues connecting to others.
There's not a problem with it, no one is complaining, other than John David McGough. I beg to differ. You should review the HamVoIP archives and you will see a steady stream of folks having issues that request and receive assistance in resolving their nodes connectivity issues. Why are the folks asking others for assistance? Could it be that they are not getting it elsewhere?
I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are providing a service to the community at large.
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide by the basic tenets of the community? I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions. Not sure whom created it but the SuperMon dashboard is a fantastic feature. The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA? Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose. I obviously chose an enhanced and feature rich version whom has a large community that provides support and guidance. The package is user friendly to even those non Linux folks. Heck I figured it out. Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down) -Brad -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org<mailto:App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form of product, updates and support.
Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters. The better question; what does he have to hide?
HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring.
AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it. John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.
He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code. This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
Do you condone this?
From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.
Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in something more than a disassembler.
I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.
All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is this hard? Certainly not. Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?
It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license. If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
providing a service to the community at large.
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide by the basic tenets of the community?
I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.
The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA?
I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules. You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can I say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your computer. I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Source - legal - or matters?? You forgot to detail what brings us to this thread. “Works!! “ You are obviously a very bitter and sad person. I can understand why their is a max exodus to a friendly, supportive and reliable version. Thank you for your time and reinforcing any doubts that I may have chosen the correct flavor to proceed with. To be clear I have not paid anyone for software. I have however donated to show my support for their efforts as I do with fellow repeater owners and groups whom provide services to which I partake. If the individual you are pursuing has single handedly contributed the volumes he has you should concede and follow his lead. He has obviously surpassed your ability. With your passion and his get-it-done could one only imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena? Not that little oh me matters but you should concentrate on your version and what you want it to be. Provide support and most importantly a consumer friendly solution and I promise folks will use it. But to stomp you feet and yell will do nothing but form unfavorable opinions and run folks off. To end this thread I want to say thank you to everyone that has helped me along the way. Before this I knew zero Linux. This is a hobby and a learning experience to me. Off to the teet. With the elections soon approaching I feel our paths will cross again. Cya L8r Bye. ... On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:06 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form of product, updates and support.
Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
The better question; what does he have to hide?
HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring.
AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.
He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code. This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
Do you condone this?
From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.
Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in something more than a disassembler.
I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.
All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is this hard? Certainly not.
Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?
It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license. If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
providing a service to the community at large.
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide by the basic tenets of the community?
I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.
The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA?
I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can I say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your computer.
I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet. -- Bryan Fields
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Hamvoip does not participate in a “true collaborative arena” as the actual author of the software intended. They locked (stole) open source code and prevent others from contributing. Until they do what is right and open the code as was intended by the original author, I will not use their version. Open source projects are OPEN for all to examine and improve. I am always excited to find a new and useful open source project because I know that the community is working together- for both improvements AND watching out for security risks and mal-intent. If Linux was not open source we could all be paying per copy. I encourage everyone to check out this article that outlines some of the benefits and reasons why keeping something open source AS INTENDED is so important and beneficial. https://www.pcworld.com/article/209891/10_reasons_open_source_is_good_for_bu... 73, Clifford KK6QMS From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Brad Trogdon Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 9:15 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough …”imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena?”
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