Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support. Why does the source matter? The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better. Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas. Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing. On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1@gmail.com> wrote:
This is crazy! I've never seen
Bryan Fields so angry! Yes... I agree with him.
Jeremy
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400 From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
form
of product, updates and support.
Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
The better question; what does he have to hide?
HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring.
AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.
He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code. This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
Do you condone this?
From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.
Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in something more than a disassembler.
I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.
All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is this hard? Certainly not.
Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?
It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license. If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
providing a service to the community at large.
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide by the basic tenets of the community?
I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.
The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA?
I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can I say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your computer.
I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
-- Bryan Fields
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People, this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we don't want see this type of bickering in our hobby. Take it off list please. WB5EKU On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
Why does the source matter?
The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better.
Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas.
Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1@gmail.com> wrote:
This is crazy! I've never seen
Bryan Fields so angry! Yes... I agree with him.
Jeremy
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400 From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
form
of product, updates and support.
Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
The better question; what does he have to hide?
HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring.
AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.
He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code. This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
Do you condone this?
From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.
Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in something more than a disassembler.
I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.
All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is this hard? Certainly not.
Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?
It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license. If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
providing a service to the community at large.
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide by the basic tenets of the community?
I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.
The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA?
I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can I say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your computer.
I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
-- Bryan Fields
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I think it needs to be aired out completely. Doug Crompton and the rest of the hamvoip ilk have stolen the code that Jim Duuuuuude (R.I.P.) wrote and released into the open source world, and made their version proprietary for *them*, and not releasing any code that THEY changed to the public, as is open source policy. I, personally, wouldn't mind seeing them hang for it. Literally. Hang em, damn thieves! On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 13:07 Donald Jacob <wb5eku@gmail.com> wrote:
People, this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we don't want see this type of bickering in our hobby. Take it off list please.
WB5EKU
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
Why does the source matter?
The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better.
Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas.
Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1@gmail.com> wrote:
This is crazy! I've never seen
Bryan Fields so angry! Yes... I agree with him.
Jeremy
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400 From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
form
of product, updates and support.
Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
The better question; what does he have to hide?
HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring.
AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.
He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code. This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
Do you condone this?
From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.
Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in something more than a disassembler.
I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.
All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is this hard? Certainly not.
Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?
It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license. If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
providing a service to the community at large.
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide by the basic tenets of the community?
I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.
The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA?
I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can I say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your computer.
I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
-- Bryan Fields
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Well I don't really have a dog in this race but since my inbox is full of this right now, here goes... Anyone who thinks there's nothing wrong with what the Hamvoip team has done doesn't understand the GPL and what open source means. The Hamvoip website claims their product is open source. When you ask for a link to the source code you get angry diatribes and accusations instead of a Github link. If they truly wanted to collaborate, they could have contributed to the already open code base and made AllStar better. Instead one guy had a fit, took other people's work, slapped their own branding on it and won't release the source for any changes that have been made. Now they're turning it into a commercial product by charging money for a service that is based on stolen software. This is 110% in violation of the terms laid out in the GPL... which anyone who releases modified GPL software is required to adhere to. What is there to hide? Release the source. That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start. 73 to all, Brian - VA3DXV On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 PM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
Why does the source matter?
The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better.
Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas.
Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1@gmail.com> wrote:
This is crazy! I've never seen
Bryan Fields so angry! Yes... I agree with him.
Jeremy
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400 From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
form
of product, updates and support.
Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
The better question; what does he have to hide?
HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring.
AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.
He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code. This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
Do you condone this?
From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.
Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in something more than a disassembler.
I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.
All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is this hard? Certainly not.
Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?
It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license. If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
providing a service to the community at large.
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide by the basic tenets of the community?
I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.
The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA?
I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can I say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your computer.
I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
-- Bryan Fields
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:
That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.
I really don't like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires the community to point out violations. In ham radio we only rely on the FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure. A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams) are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law. 73 -Willem AC0KQ ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com
Wow....what ever happened to "it works so well".....the rest of us that are not interested in the political end of things sure as hell don't want to throw a wrench into the works. everyone has contributed to this effort....I think Jim would be proud of it's progression. Towards the end he was very busy with other things.....Allstar has made great progress...both sides of the fence On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 12:58 PM Willem Schreuder <willem@prinmath.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:
That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.
I really don't like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires the community to point out violations. In ham radio we only rely on the FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure.
A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams) are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law.
73 -Willem AC0KQ
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Willem Schreuder