Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 116, Issue 13
Walt/Steve, Unless you're in it for the drama, I'd run away as fast as possible and never look back. I've been here since April or so and it's constant sniping followed by full frontal attacks. Then it calms down for a minute before it starts all over again. Mike WM4B -----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of walter Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:01 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 116, Issue 13 I feel the same way. I have been reading the posts for the last week and feel reluctant to ask questions. I hope you guys get over this. I think I will wait a while before I request help. Walt WB4LDS -----Original Message----- From: Steve Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:47 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 116, Issue 13 I’m looking at adding Allstar to my two repeaters, and recently joined this list to learn more about the technology. I don’t understand the internal struggles here, since this is all new to me. So far, I’ve seen a lot of unpleasantness. This looks like an environment which I’m probably best to steer clear of, until things settle out. Steve N7TX
On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:38, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
Whatever floats your boat, Bryan. I'm not a software developer, but I'm also not a jerk. You are, in my opinion, more of the latter than you are the former.
If you don't like me, kick my nodes off your servers. I don't care anymore. ASL is not worth putting up with your prima-donna attitude. You guys are a running joke in much of the rest of the ham radio community; too bad it's not funny to those of us stuck in the middle. If you're worried about the demise of ham radio, try looking in the mirror...and maybe go to confession.
I've never done anything to you except disagree with you and you've treated me like crap here and elsewhere. At this point, whether you are right or wrong is immaterial. You can't go around abusing people just because they disagree with you and expect people to put up with it. I've tried to play nice in your presence but it has done no good. I've tried to distance myself from you, but you make it a point to regularly come up on the net to stir the pot. It has gotten old; all the end users want is a product the works and to not have to listen to this continuous battle.
I'll save you the trouble of looking in my nodes numbers; they are 48166, 48656, and 48969. If you're feeling froggy, go ahead and block them.
As for my moral compass, it served me well for the past 37 years of service to this country and through more wars than I can count. Maybe you too should try doing something worth while to mankind and quit stroking your... ego all the time.
As an end user, I have no more responsibility to protect 'your' product than I would to protect Microsoft. If 'you' aren't man enough for that task, maybe 'you' should step aside and find someone who is.
WM4B
On Oct 24, 2018 3:46 PM, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 10/24/18 1:27 PM, Mike Besemer - WM4B wrote: Amen! The bickering is pointless and totally unproductive. Grow up!
The most unqualified people are telling the most qualified to shut up. You are the one who needs to grow a moral compass and quit enabling bad behavior.
-- Bryan Fields
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Been here since 2008 if not 2007. And the problem started with the hamvoip group bitching on the audio of usb radio compare to the simple usb sound . That was when they were trying to make it run on the beagle bone black or BBB. It was obvious that the processr on the bbb was not able to do dsp so they started to "rework the spagetti code" they claimed app_rpt was. This was of course before the hamvoip group was even named like that. And from that came the request to show the proof of that supposed improvement. They did give at least one fix, but I dont remember if it was even about audio. So if you want less drama, why dont you tell your pal at hamvoip to line up with the rest of the developper and to do some real opensource stuff. This would really cut on the drama.. Someone said we need to act like grown up. Being grown up as nothing to do about accepting bickering from other people about action from a third party. They want to keep there work to them, fine, but they ned to support the user of the work they claim to be there own. Le mer. 24 oct. 2018 à 18:16, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> a écrit :
Walt/Steve,
Unless you're in it for the drama, I'd run away as fast as possible and never look back. I've been here since April or so and it's constant sniping followed by full frontal attacks. Then it calms down for a minute before it starts all over again.
Mike WM4B
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of walter Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:01 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 116, Issue 13
I feel the same way. I have been reading the posts for the last week and feel reluctant to ask questions. I hope you guys get over this. I think I will wait a while before I request help. Walt WB4LDS
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:47 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 116, Issue 13
I’m looking at adding Allstar to my two repeaters, and recently joined this list to learn more about the technology. I don’t understand the internal struggles here, since this is all new to me. So far, I’ve seen a lot of unpleasantness.
This looks like an environment which I’m probably best to steer clear of, until things settle out.
Steve N7TX
On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:38, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
Whatever floats your boat, Bryan. I'm not a software developer, but I'm also not a jerk. You are, in my opinion, more of the latter than you are the former.
If you don't like me, kick my nodes off your servers. I don't care anymore. ASL is not worth putting up with your prima-donna attitude. You guys are a running joke in much of the rest of the ham radio community; too bad it's not funny to those of us stuck in the middle. If you're worried about the demise of ham radio, try looking in the mirror...and maybe go to confession.
I've never done anything to you except disagree with you and you've treated me like crap here and elsewhere. At this point, whether you are right or wrong is immaterial. You can't go around abusing people just because they disagree with you and expect people to put up with it. I've tried to play nice in your presence but it has done no good. I've tried to distance myself from you, but you make it a point to regularly come up on the net to stir the pot. It has gotten old; all the end users want is a product the works and to not have to listen to this continuous battle.
I'll save you the trouble of looking in my nodes numbers; they are 48166, 48656, and 48969. If you're feeling froggy, go ahead and block them.
As for my moral compass, it served me well for the past 37 years of service to this country and through more wars than I can count. Maybe you too should try doing something worth while to mankind and quit stroking your... ego all the time.
As an end user, I have no more responsibility to protect 'your' product than I would to protect Microsoft. If 'you' aren't man enough for that task, maybe 'you' should step aside and find someone who is.
WM4B
On Oct 24, 2018 3:46 PM, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 10/24/18 1:27 PM, Mike Besemer - WM4B wrote: Amen! The bickering is pointless and totally unproductive. Grow up!
The most unqualified people are telling the most qualified to shut up. You are the one who needs to grow a moral compass and quit enabling bad behavior.
-- Bryan Fields
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