On 01/19/2014 04:06 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:

Steve,

First, Thanks for your efforts to keep this running. I know how thankless it can be.

I did want to alert you as to what may be some of the cause.

A bit of frustration with some folks I think,

I own many domains, having them allows my to configure my email any way I see fit to each domain. I can say I have endless amounts of email addresses at each domain but all emails under that domain are sent from only one address.

I normally make each sign-up to any internet based list/user very unique but with this list, a person can not have a different reply to address than your sending address.

Doing so allows you to get the mail but not send one to users on the list, because it came from a different address.

It also will not allow you to retrieve your password from the list.

I think some folks have been in this trap, unable to send messages to the list and if they forgot their password, unable to retrieve it to unsubscribe.

In fact, a message to you Steve, will not be delivered under that circumstance. I found out when I signed up the hard way and tested it again this afternoon. same same.

Perhaps it needs to be stated when signing-up that your sending and receiving addresses must be the same or perhaps there is a way to tweak mailman to allow the split addressing.

I can clearly see that if this is the case with some that have signed-up, they would have a hard time knowing why their messages were not being seen by anyone and unsubscribing.

Just sharing my thoughts in hope of some solutions to make your job easier. Sometime I would like to speak to you about "mailman" as I was thinking of using it for a few projects of my own.

73,

...mike/kb8jnm

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [App_rpt-users] WARNING: Filing an abuse complaint to unsubscribe will result in you being permanently banned from this mailing list From: Stephen Rodgers <hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com <mailto:hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>> Date: Sun, January 19, 2014 1:31 pm To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>

I am issuing a stern warning to those too lazy to go through the proper mechanism to unsubscribe from this list. If you don't visit the app-rpt mailing list and unsubscribe using http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users, and file an abuse complaint with your ISP instead, your email address will be PERMANENTLY BANNED. You will end being unable to subscribe to the list in the future.

I've had to explain to our ISP several times why these abuse complaints happen, and the rate of complaints has been increasing over the last several months.

Abuse complaints from ISP's are serious business, and could result in the web hosting company canceling our account we get too many of them over a certain amount of time.

Moral of the story: If you want to unsubscribe, don't take the low road and file an abuse complaint with your ISP. Take the time to do it correctly by doing a web search for app_rpt mailing list and following the instructions there.

Steve WA6ZFT

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Mailman decides to echo or not based on the source email address it receives. It will not echo a message if the source email address isn't in a valid account. If the source email address has changed or is forwarded from another address, they are not going to be able to send messages to the list, or unsubscribe. This is one of Mailman's shortcomings. I don't see any easy way out unless the user is smart enough to examine the mail headers and figure out what address mailman used to send the list message, and use that to cancel the subscription. Steve WA6ZFT