Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
The leading "4" needs to be changed to a leading "8" IRLP is now designated as 8xxxx. There still are unofficial bridges and in my lsnodes script I often see real IRLP nodes that show up with the leading 8 which I strip. The problem is though you can't just check for the leading 8 you really have to check for the entire string and make sure it is in the 80,000 to 89999 range. I would think the web transceiver code does this now for the 40000-49999 range. Just needs to be changed to 80000-89999. If it is a number in that range strip the leading 8 and present as an IRLP node. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: mike@midnighteng.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:32:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display If you have the correct segment... a simple change will prevent the problem until something better can be worked out. } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return false; } return false; } ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 9:58 pm To: APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> It's Java, it practically ships with the source. http://jd.benow.ca/, the online version works fine for messing around with it. I'd say the offending code is this: private boolean isIRLP(String str) { if (str.length() != 6) { return false; } for (int i = 2; i < str.length(); i++) { char ch = str.charAt(i); if (!Character.isDigit(ch)) { return false; } } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return true; } return false; } it's in the BeanCanFrameManager.class in the jar. It's a signed jar, so the hard part will be resigning it and getting it to be happy with a different rsa key. I'm no programer, just a guy that knows some assembler and has a copy of IDA. I don't have the time to mess with it either right now :( 73's On 8/19/14, 8:11 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote: Since we no longer bridge to irlp, it should be a easy fix in a evaluation statement of node number over 4xxxx. (short fix) Or eliminating all code to irlp connects (long fix) not desirable as things could change again. Not having seen the code, I should refrain from comment though. There could be all kinds of hidden treasures there. Not always as easy as one might think. ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@dseven.org> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:58 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: "App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> There's (apparently) some logic that makes it display node numbers of the form '4xxxx' as if they were IRLP nodes. e.g. my node is 40898, and it appears in WebTransceiver as something like "IRLP:0898" 73, ~iain / N6ML On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Through all the chatter on this, I lost sight of what the problem is that we are trying to FIX ? Outside of being a java web app.
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:22 pm To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Would he be willing to just fix the problem? It seems like a rather simple fix if we are just talking about the node display.
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
________________________________ From: tim.sawyer@mac.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:43:26 -0700 To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
I talked to Jim Dixon about this yesterday. He said he is willing to supply the source under certain conditions. Please contact him directly if interested. -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Bob Brown - WØNQX <bbrown@byrg.net> wrote:
well guys here is the list for the web site.... emails are included for most take your pick.....
AllStar Link Network -- Developers
Allstar Link Web Site Development Team
w0otm@w0otm.com -- Marshall Dias, W0OTM
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
dsuper7@gmail.com -- Daniel Issac, No call (at least not yet)
App_rpt Development Team
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
sph@xelatec.com -- Steve Henke, W9SH
And many other who have generously contributed to this technology
Allstar Link OS And Sotware Distrubutions (ACID and Limey Linux)
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
Other Developers
Other Developers
-- Thanks in Advance
Bob Brown, WØNQX
Kansas City Metro Area
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
--
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
Well if you don't have source for the current web transceiver apparently there is source for iaxrpt which works well. It could be used as a base for something new on the web page.
It is really a shame to start all over again when this is probably a very simple fix to the current code. Who had the source? Can we contact that person?
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:26:04 -0700 From: ar@dseven.org To: kb4fxc@inttek.net CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
Some desire to get away from Java was expressed, and HTML5 suggested. I don't know much about HTML5 yet, to be honest. Does anyone see an easy path to a web client based on HTML5 + IAX2 ?
It appears that the current WebTransceiver is based on Mexuar Corraleta
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Mexuar
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
SIP and IAX2 are completely different protocols. It's rather like comparing a Chevy to a Ford or English to Chinese---Both VoIP protocols accomplish a lot of the same things, but, they aren't interchangeable nor are they directly compatible.
However, there are many IAX2 toolkits out there, including some written in Java, etc. So, I recommend abandoning the notion of SIP for the Web Transceiver entirely--go with IAX2 from the start. SIP won't do what's needed for interfacing with the app_rpt code since SIP doesn't natively pass the telemetry used by app_rpt, etc.
73, David KB4FXC
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
My understanding of
Differences to sip and iax is that underlying command/control/comment data.
If you have and send that data, asterisk is ready for it.
Any sip device can be a iax device, but to have iax control, you must send that extra iax data formatted. Any iax device can be used as a sip device without control.
any clues where the original java source may be found ?
...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Tim Sawyer <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Date: Sun, August 17, 2014 1:35 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Why is (a nicely commented) iax.conf shown there? -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:14 AM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
It's already sourced as iax.
iax.conf?r=126">https://code.google.com/p/sipml5/source/browse/trunk/asterisk/etc/iax.conf?r...
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The code snippet posted first checks the length of the string, before checking if the first digit is a '4'. I'm confident that the code change(s) should be trivial .. what I'm more concerned about is getting it to build (including any dependency libraries) and getting the jar signed (as someone mentioned). I have a request in to Jim for access to the source, and will see what we can dig up.... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
The leading "4" needs to be changed to a leading "8" IRLP is now designated as 8xxxx. There still are unofficial bridges and in my lsnodes script I often see real IRLP nodes that show up with the leading 8 which I strip. The problem is though you can't just check for the leading 8 you really have to check for the entire string and make sure it is in the 80,000 to 89999 range.
I would think the web transceiver code does this now for the 40000-49999 range. Just needs to be changed to 80000-89999. If it is a number in that range strip the leading 8 and present as an IRLP node.
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
________________________________ From: mike@midnighteng.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:32:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
If you have the correct segment...
a simple change will prevent the problem until something better can be worked out.
} String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return false; } return false; }
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 9:58 pm To: APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
It's Java, it practically ships with the source.
http://jd.benow.ca/, the online version works fine for messing around with it.
I'd say the offending code is this:
private boolean isIRLP(String str) { if (str.length() != 6) { return false; } for (int i = 2; i < str.length(); i++) { char ch = str.charAt(i); if (!Character.isDigit(ch)) { return false; } } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return true; } return false; }
it's in the BeanCanFrameManager.class in the jar. It's a signed jar, so the hard part will be resigning it and getting it to be happy with a different rsa key. I'm no programer, just a guy that knows some assembler and has a copy of IDA. I don't have the time to mess with it either right now :(
73's
On 8/19/14, 8:11 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
Since we no longer bridge to irlp, it should be a easy fix in a evaluation statement of node number over 4xxxx. (short fix)
Or eliminating all code to irlp connects (long fix) not desirable as things could change again.
Not having seen the code, I should refrain from comment though. There could be all kinds of hidden treasures there. Not always as easy as one might think.
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@dseven.org> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:58 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: "App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
There's (apparently) some logic that makes it display node numbers of the form '4xxxx' as if they were IRLP nodes. e.g. my node is 40898, and it appears in WebTransceiver as something like "IRLP:0898"
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Through all the chatter on this, I lost sight of what the problem is that we are trying to FIX ? Outside of being a java web app.
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:22 pm To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Would he be willing to just fix the problem? It seems like a rather simple fix if we are just talking about the node display.
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
________________________________ From: tim.sawyer@mac.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:43:26 -0700 To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
I talked to Jim Dixon about this yesterday. He said he is willing to supply the source under certain conditions. Please contact him directly if interested. -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Bob Brown - WØNQX <bbrown@byrg.net> wrote:
well guys here is the list for the web site.... emails are included for most take your pick.....
AllStar Link Network -- Developers
Allstar Link Web Site Development Team
w0otm@w0otm.com -- Marshall Dias, W0OTM
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
dsuper7@gmail.com -- Daniel Issac, No call (at least not yet)
App_rpt Development Team
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
sph@xelatec.com -- Steve Henke, W9SH
And many other who have generously contributed to this technology
Allstar Link OS And Sotware Distrubutions (ACID and Limey Linux)
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
Other Developers
Other Developers
-- Thanks in Advance
Bob Brown, WØNQX
Kansas City Metro Area
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
--
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
Well if you don't have source for the current web transceiver apparently there is source for iaxrpt which works well. It could be used as a base for something new on the web page.
It is really a shame to start all over again when this is probably a very simple fix to the current code. Who had the source? Can we contact that person?
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:26:04 -0700 From: ar@dseven.org To: kb4fxc@inttek.net CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
Some desire to get away from Java was expressed, and HTML5 suggested. I don't know much about HTML5 yet, to be honest. Does anyone see an easy path to a web client based on HTML5 + IAX2 ?
It appears that the current WebTransceiver is based on Mexuar Corraleta
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Mexuar
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
SIP and IAX2 are completely different protocols. It's rather like comparing a Chevy to a Ford or English to Chinese---Both VoIP protocols accomplish a lot of the same things, but, they aren't interchangeable nor are they directly compatible.
However, there are many IAX2 toolkits out there, including some written in Java, etc. So, I recommend abandoning the notion of SIP for the Web Transceiver entirely--go with IAX2 from the start. SIP won't do what's needed for interfacing with the app_rpt code since SIP doesn't natively pass the telemetry used by app_rpt, etc.
73, David KB4FXC
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
My understanding of
Differences to sip and iax is that underlying command/control/comment data.
If you have and send that data, asterisk is ready for it.
Any sip device can be a iax device, but to have iax control, you must send that extra iax data formatted. Any iax device can be used as a sip device without control.
any clues where the original java source may be found ?
...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Tim Sawyer <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Date: Sun, August 17, 2014 1:35 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Why is (a nicely commented) iax.conf shown there? -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:14 AM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
It's already sourced as iax.
iax.conf?r=126">https://code.google.com/p/sipml5/source/browse/trunk/asterisk/etc/iax.conf?r...
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WRONG! IRLP IS NOT DESIGNATED AS *ANYTHING*!!!!!!! Allstar is not interconnected with IRLP. Doug: Where do you get off making such a statement? You are in no position to do so. In fact what you are doing here is endorsing activity OFFICIALLY AGAINST Allstar system policy, which absolutely will NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!! Jim, WB6NIL From: doug@crompton.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 23:12:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display The leading "4" needs to be changed to a leading "8" IRLP is now designated as 8xxxx. There still are unofficial bridges and in my lsnodes script I often see real IRLP nodes that show up with the leading 8 which I strip. The problem is though you can't just check for the leading 8 you really have to check for the entire string and make sure it is in the 80,000 to 89999 range. I would think the web transceiver code does this now for the 40000-49999 range. Just needs to be changed to 80000-89999. If it is a number in that range strip the leading 8 and present as an IRLP node. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: mike@midnighteng.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:32:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display If you have the correct segment... a simple change will prevent the problem until something better can be worked out. } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return false; } return false; } ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 9:58 pm To: APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> It's Java, it practically ships with the source. http://jd.benow.ca/, the online version works fine for messing around with it. I'd say the offending code is this: private boolean isIRLP(String str) { if (str.length() != 6) { return false; } for (int i = 2; i < str.length(); i++) { char ch = str.charAt(i); if (!Character.isDigit(ch)) { return false; } } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return true; } return false; } it's in the BeanCanFrameManager.class in the jar. It's a signed jar, so the hard part will be resigning it and getting it to be happy with a different rsa key. I'm no programer, just a guy that knows some assembler and has a copy of IDA. I don't have the time to mess with it either right now :( 73's On 8/19/14, 8:11 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote: Since we no longer bridge to irlp, it should be a easy fix in a evaluation statement of node number over 4xxxx. (short fix) Or eliminating all code to irlp connects (long fix) not desirable as things could change again. Not having seen the code, I should refrain from comment though. There could be all kinds of hidden treasures there. Not always as easy as one might think. ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@dseven.org> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:58 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: "App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> There's (apparently) some logic that makes it display node numbers of the form '4xxxx' as if they were IRLP nodes. e.g. my node is 40898, and it appears in WebTransceiver as something like "IRLP:0898" 73, ~iain / N6ML On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Through all the chatter on this, I lost sight of what the problem is that we are trying to FIX ? Outside of being a java web app.
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:22 pm To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Would he be willing to just fix the problem? It seems like a rather simple fix if we are just talking about the node display.
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
________________________________ From: tim.sawyer@mac.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:43:26 -0700 To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
I talked to Jim Dixon about this yesterday. He said he is willing to supply the source under certain conditions. Please contact him directly if interested. -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Bob Brown - WØNQX <bbrown@byrg.net> wrote:
well guys here is the list for the web site.... emails are included for most take your pick.....
AllStar Link Network -- Developers
Allstar Link Web Site Development Team
w0otm@w0otm.com -- Marshall Dias, W0OTM
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
dsuper7@gmail.com -- Daniel Issac, No call (at least not yet)
App_rpt Development Team
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
sph@xelatec.com -- Steve Henke, W9SH
And many other who have generously contributed to this technology
Allstar Link OS And Sotware Distrubutions (ACID and Limey Linux)
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
Other Developers
Other Developers
-- Thanks in Advance
Bob Brown, WØNQX
Kansas City Metro Area
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
--
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
Well if you don't have source for the current web transceiver apparently there is source for iaxrpt which works well. It could be used as a base for something new on the web page.
It is really a shame to start all over again when this is probably a very simple fix to the current code. Who had the source? Can we contact that person?
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:26:04 -0700 From: ar@dseven.org To: kb4fxc@inttek.net CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
Some desire to get away from Java was expressed, and HTML5 suggested. I don't know much about HTML5 yet, to be honest. Does anyone see an easy path to a web client based on HTML5 + IAX2 ?
It appears that the current WebTransceiver is based on Mexuar Corraleta
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Mexuar
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
SIP and IAX2 are completely different protocols. It's rather like comparing a Chevy to a Ford or English to Chinese---Both VoIP protocols accomplish a lot of the same things, but, they aren't interchangeable nor are they directly compatible.
However, there are many IAX2 toolkits out there, including some written in Java, etc. So, I recommend abandoning the notion of SIP for the Web Transceiver entirely--go with IAX2 from the start. SIP won't do what's needed for interfacing with the app_rpt code since SIP doesn't natively pass the telemetry used by app_rpt, etc.
73, David KB4FXC
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
My understanding of
Differences to sip and iax is that underlying command/control/comment data.
If you have and send that data, asterisk is ready for it.
Any sip device can be a iax device, but to have iax control, you must send that extra iax data formatted. Any iax device can be used as a sip device without control.
any clues where the original java source may be found ?
...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Tim Sawyer <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Date: Sun, August 17, 2014 1:35 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Why is (a nicely commented) iax.conf shown there? -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:14 AM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
It's already sourced as iax.
iax.conf?r=126">https://code.google.com/p/sipml5/source/browse/trunk/asterisk/etc/iax.conf?r...
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Thank every one who has helped get my allstar node up and running , it's now off line and I don't think it will be back I am sick and tired of the bashing of other VoIP systems or other networks I was happy to add allstar I regret the money I put out to have it on my repeater system Again thanks to the 'good' people Richard Szajkowski VA3RZS, IRLP , Echolink and DMR system
On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Jim Duuuude <telesistant@hotmail.com> wrote:
WRONG!
IRLP IS NOT DESIGNATED AS *ANYTHING*!!!!!!!
Allstar is not interconnected with IRLP.
Doug:
Where do you get off making such a statement? You are in no position to do so. In fact what you are doing here is endorsing activity OFFICIALLY AGAINST Allstar system policy, which absolutely will NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!!
Jim, WB6NIL
From: doug@crompton.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 23:12:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
The leading "4" needs to be changed to a leading "8" IRLP is now designated as 8xxxx. There still are unofficial bridges and in my lsnodes script I often see real IRLP nodes that show up with the leading 8 which I strip. The problem is though you can't just check for the leading 8 you really have to check for the entire string and make sure it is in the 80,000 to 89999 range.
I would think the web transceiver code does this now for the 40000-49999 range. Just needs to be changed to 80000-89999. If it is a number in that range strip the leading 8 and present as an IRLP node.
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
From: mike@midnighteng.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:32:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
If you have the correct segment...
a simple change will prevent the problem until something better can be worked out.
} String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return false; } return false; }
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 9:58 pm To: APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
It's Java, it practically ships with the source.
http://jd.benow.ca/, the online version works fine for messing around with it.
I'd say the offending code is this:
private boolean isIRLP(String str) { if (str.length() != 6) { return false; } for (int i = 2; i < str.length(); i++) { char ch = str.charAt(i); if (!Character.isDigit(ch)) { return false; } } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return true; } return false; }
it's in the BeanCanFrameManager.class in the jar. It's a signed jar, so the hard part will be resigning it and getting it to be happy with a different rsa key. I'm no programer, just a guy that knows some assembler and has a copy of IDA. I don't have the time to mess with it either right now :(
73's
On 8/19/14, 8:11 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
Since we no longer bridge to irlp, it should be a easy fix in a evaluation statement of node number over 4xxxx. (short fix)
Or eliminating all code to irlp connects (long fix) not desirable as things could change again.
Not having seen the code, I should refrain from comment though. There could be all kinds of hidden treasures there. Not always as easy as one might think.
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@dseven.org> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:58 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: "App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
There's (apparently) some logic that makes it display node numbers of the form '4xxxx' as if they were IRLP nodes. e.g. my node is 40898, and it appears in WebTransceiver as something like "IRLP:0898"
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Through all the chatter on this, I lost sight of what the problem is that we are trying to FIX ? Outside of being a java web app.
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:22 pm To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Would he be willing to just fix the problem? It seems like a rather simple fix if we are just talking about the node display.
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
________________________________ From: tim.sawyer@mac.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:43:26 -0700 To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
I talked to Jim Dixon about this yesterday. He said he is willing to supply the source under certain conditions. Please contact him directly if interested. -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Bob Brown - WØNQX <bbrown@byrg.net> wrote:
well guys here is the list for the web site.... emails are included for most take your pick.....
AllStar Link Network -- Developers
Allstar Link Web Site Development Team
w0otm@w0otm.com -- Marshall Dias, W0OTM
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
dsuper7@gmail.com -- Daniel Issac, No call (at least not yet)
App_rpt Development Team
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
sph@xelatec.com -- Steve Henke, W9SH
And many other who have generously contributed to this technology
Allstar Link OS And Sotware Distrubutions (ACID and Limey Linux)
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
Other Developers
Other Developers
-- Thanks in Advance
Bob Brown, WØNQX
Kansas City Metro Area
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
--
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
Well if you don't have source for the current web transceiver apparently there is source for iaxrpt which works well. It could be used as a base for something new on the web page.
It is really a shame to start all over again when this is probably a very simple fix to the current code. Who had the source? Can we contact that person?
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:26:04 -0700 From: ar@dseven.org To: kb4fxc@inttek.net CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
Some desire to get away from Java was expressed, and HTML5 suggested. I don't know much about HTML5 yet, to be honest. Does anyone see an easy path to a web client based on HTML5 + IAX2 ?
It appears that the current WebTransceiver is based on Mexuar Corraleta
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Mexuar
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
SIP and IAX2 are completely different protocols. It's rather like comparing a Chevy to a Ford or English to Chinese---Both VoIP protocols accomplish a lot of the same things, but, they aren't interchangeable nor are they directly compatible.
However, there are many IAX2 toolkits out there, including some written in Java, etc. So, I recommend abandoning the notion of SIP for the Web Transceiver entirely--go with IAX2 from the start. SIP won't do what's needed for interfacing with the app_rpt code since SIP doesn't natively pass the telemetry used by app_rpt, etc.
73, David KB4FXC
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
My understanding of
Differences to sip and iax is that underlying command/control/comment data.
If you have and send that data, asterisk is ready for it.
Any sip device can be a iax device, but to have iax control, you must send that extra iax data formatted. Any iax device can be used as a sip device without control.
any clues where the original java source may be found ?
...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Tim Sawyer <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Date: Sun, August 17, 2014 1:35 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Why is (a nicely commented) iax.conf shown there? -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:14 AM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
It's already sourced as iax.
iax.conf?r=126">https://code.google.com/p/sipml5/source/browse/trunk/asterisk/etc/iax.conf?r...
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Well I respectfully disagree. There are unofficial bridges and depending on how they are configured they do pass IRLP nodes as 8xxxxx - You certainly have the option of using that information or just ignoring it. I can show you a display that shows the IRLP node when a bridge is connected. This of course is totally dependent on how the bridge works. There is still old code floating around and probably modified code being used for bridges. Someone decided that the 8xxxxx region was now IRLP official or not. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: telesistant@hotmail.com To: doug@crompton.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 06:25:21 -0700 WRONG! IRLP IS NOT DESIGNATED AS *ANYTHING*!!!!!!! Allstar is not interconnected with IRLP. Doug: Where do you get off making such a statement? You are in no position to do so. In fact what you are doing here is endorsing activity OFFICIALLY AGAINST Allstar system policy, which absolutely will NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!! Jim, WB6NIL From: doug@crompton.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 23:12:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display The leading "4" needs to be changed to a leading "8" IRLP is now designated as 8xxxx. There still are unofficial bridges and in my lsnodes script I often see real IRLP nodes that show up with the leading 8 which I strip. The problem is though you can't just check for the leading 8 you really have to check for the entire string and make sure it is in the 80,000 to 89999 range. I would think the web transceiver code does this now for the 40000-49999 range. Just needs to be changed to 80000-89999. If it is a number in that range strip the leading 8 and present as an IRLP node. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: mike@midnighteng.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:32:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display If you have the correct segment... a simple change will prevent the problem until something better can be worked out. } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return false; } return false; } ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 9:58 pm To: APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> It's Java, it practically ships with the source. http://jd.benow.ca/, the online version works fine for messing around with it. I'd say the offending code is this: private boolean isIRLP(String str) { if (str.length() != 6) { return false; } for (int i = 2; i < str.length(); i++) { char ch = str.charAt(i); if (!Character.isDigit(ch)) { return false; } } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return true; } return false; } it's in the BeanCanFrameManager.class in the jar. It's a signed jar, so the hard part will be resigning it and getting it to be happy with a different rsa key. I'm no programer, just a guy that knows some assembler and has a copy of IDA. I don't have the time to mess with it either right now :( 73's On 8/19/14, 8:11 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote: Since we no longer bridge to irlp, it should be a easy fix in a evaluation statement of node number over 4xxxx. (short fix) Or eliminating all code to irlp connects (long fix) not desirable as things could change again. Not having seen the code, I should refrain from comment though. There could be all kinds of hidden treasures there. Not always as easy as one might think. ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@dseven.org> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:58 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: "App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> There's (apparently) some logic that makes it display node numbers of the form '4xxxx' as if they were IRLP nodes. e.g. my node is 40898, and it appears in WebTransceiver as something like "IRLP:0898" 73, ~iain / N6ML On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Through all the chatter on this, I lost sight of what the problem is that we are trying to FIX ? Outside of being a java web app.
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:22 pm To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Would he be willing to just fix the problem? It seems like a rather simple fix if we are just talking about the node display.
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
________________________________ From: tim.sawyer@mac.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:43:26 -0700 To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
I talked to Jim Dixon about this yesterday. He said he is willing to supply the source under certain conditions. Please contact him directly if interested. -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Bob Brown - WØNQX <bbrown@byrg.net> wrote:
well guys here is the list for the web site.... emails are included for most take your pick.....
AllStar Link Network -- Developers
Allstar Link Web Site Development Team
w0otm@w0otm.com -- Marshall Dias, W0OTM
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
dsuper7@gmail.com -- Daniel Issac, No call (at least not yet)
App_rpt Development Team
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
sph@xelatec.com -- Steve Henke, W9SH
And many other who have generously contributed to this technology
Allstar Link OS And Sotware Distrubutions (ACID and Limey Linux)
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
Other Developers
Other Developers
-- Thanks in Advance
Bob Brown, WØNQX
Kansas City Metro Area
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
--
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
Well if you don't have source for the current web transceiver apparently there is source for iaxrpt which works well. It could be used as a base for something new on the web page.
It is really a shame to start all over again when this is probably a very simple fix to the current code. Who had the source? Can we contact that person?
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:26:04 -0700 From: ar@dseven.org To: kb4fxc@inttek.net CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
Some desire to get away from Java was expressed, and HTML5 suggested. I don't know much about HTML5 yet, to be honest. Does anyone see an easy path to a web client based on HTML5 + IAX2 ?
It appears that the current WebTransceiver is based on Mexuar Corraleta
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Mexuar
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
SIP and IAX2 are completely different protocols. It's rather like comparing a Chevy to a Ford or English to Chinese---Both VoIP protocols accomplish a lot of the same things, but, they aren't interchangeable nor are they directly compatible.
However, there are many IAX2 toolkits out there, including some written in Java, etc. So, I recommend abandoning the notion of SIP for the Web Transceiver entirely--go with IAX2 from the start. SIP won't do what's needed for interfacing with the app_rpt code since SIP doesn't natively pass the telemetry used by app_rpt, etc.
73, David KB4FXC
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
My understanding of
Differences to sip and iax is that underlying command/control/comment data.
If you have and send that data, asterisk is ready for it.
Any sip device can be a iax device, but to have iax control, you must send that extra iax data formatted. Any iax device can be used as a sip device without control.
any clues where the original java source may be found ?
...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Tim Sawyer <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Date: Sun, August 17, 2014 1:35 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Why is (a nicely commented) iax.conf shown there? -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:14 AM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
It's already sourced as iax.
iax.conf?r=126">https://code.google.com/p/sipml5/source/browse/trunk/asterisk/etc/iax.conf?r...
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Doug, IRLP is Dave Cameron's network. It is his to decide what happens or doesn't happen on it or with it. I always have and always will totally respect his position and say in this matter. Putting such support in official Allstar software would clearly endorse operation which is contrary to his wishes/policies regarding his network. I won't do so, nor do I appreciate anyone encouraging others to do so. Jim WB6NIL From: doug@crompton.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:57:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display Well I respectfully disagree. There are unofficial bridges and depending on how they are configured they do pass IRLP nodes as 8xxxxx - You certainly have the option of using that information or just ignoring it. I can show you a display that shows the IRLP node when a bridge is connected. This of course is totally dependent on how the bridge works. There is still old code floating around and probably modified code being used for bridges. Someone decided that the 8xxxxx region was now IRLP official or not. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: telesistant@hotmail.com To: doug@crompton.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 06:25:21 -0700 WRONG! IRLP IS NOT DESIGNATED AS *ANYTHING*!!!!!!! Allstar is not interconnected with IRLP. Doug: Where do you get off making such a statement? You are in no position to do so. In fact what you are doing here is endorsing activity OFFICIALLY AGAINST Allstar system policy, which absolutely will NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!! Jim, WB6NIL From: doug@crompton.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 23:12:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display The leading "4" needs to be changed to a leading "8" IRLP is now designated as 8xxxx. There still are unofficial bridges and in my lsnodes script I often see real IRLP nodes that show up with the leading 8 which I strip. The problem is though you can't just check for the leading 8 you really have to check for the entire string and make sure it is in the 80,000 to 89999 range. I would think the web transceiver code does this now for the 40000-49999 range. Just needs to be changed to 80000-89999. If it is a number in that range strip the leading 8 and present as an IRLP node. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: mike@midnighteng.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:32:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display If you have the correct segment... a simple change will prevent the problem until something better can be worked out. } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return false; } return false; } ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 9:58 pm To: APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> It's Java, it practically ships with the source. http://jd.benow.ca/, the online version works fine for messing around with it. I'd say the offending code is this: private boolean isIRLP(String str) { if (str.length() != 6) { return false; } for (int i = 2; i < str.length(); i++) { char ch = str.charAt(i); if (!Character.isDigit(ch)) { return false; } } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return true; } return false; } it's in the BeanCanFrameManager.class in the jar. It's a signed jar, so the hard part will be resigning it and getting it to be happy with a different rsa key. I'm no programer, just a guy that knows some assembler and has a copy of IDA. I don't have the time to mess with it either right now :( 73's On 8/19/14, 8:11 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote: Since we no longer bridge to irlp, it should be a easy fix in a evaluation statement of node number over 4xxxx. (short fix) Or eliminating all code to irlp connects (long fix) not desirable as things could change again. Not having seen the code, I should refrain from comment though. There could be all kinds of hidden treasures there. Not always as easy as one might think. ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@dseven.org> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:58 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: "App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> There's (apparently) some logic that makes it display node numbers of the form '4xxxx' as if they were IRLP nodes. e.g. my node is 40898, and it appears in WebTransceiver as something like "IRLP:0898" 73, ~iain / N6ML On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Through all the chatter on this, I lost sight of what the problem is that we are trying to FIX ? Outside of being a java web app.
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:22 pm To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Would he be willing to just fix the problem? It seems like a rather simple fix if we are just talking about the node display.
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
________________________________ From: tim.sawyer@mac.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:43:26 -0700 To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
I talked to Jim Dixon about this yesterday. He said he is willing to supply the source under certain conditions. Please contact him directly if interested. -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Bob Brown - WØNQX <bbrown@byrg.net> wrote:
well guys here is the list for the web site.... emails are included for most take your pick.....
AllStar Link Network -- Developers
Allstar Link Web Site Development Team
w0otm@w0otm.com -- Marshall Dias, W0OTM
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
dsuper7@gmail.com -- Daniel Issac, No call (at least not yet)
App_rpt Development Team
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
sph@xelatec.com -- Steve Henke, W9SH
And many other who have generously contributed to this technology
Allstar Link OS And Sotware Distrubutions (ACID and Limey Linux)
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
Other Developers
Other Developers
-- Thanks in Advance
Bob Brown, WØNQX
Kansas City Metro Area
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
--
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
Well if you don't have source for the current web transceiver apparently there is source for iaxrpt which works well. It could be used as a base for something new on the web page.
It is really a shame to start all over again when this is probably a very simple fix to the current code. Who had the source? Can we contact that person?
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:26:04 -0700 From: ar@dseven.org To: kb4fxc@inttek.net CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
Some desire to get away from Java was expressed, and HTML5 suggested. I don't know much about HTML5 yet, to be honest. Does anyone see an easy path to a web client based on HTML5 + IAX2 ?
It appears that the current WebTransceiver is based on Mexuar Corraleta
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Mexuar
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
SIP and IAX2 are completely different protocols. It's rather like comparing a Chevy to a Ford or English to Chinese---Both VoIP protocols accomplish a lot of the same things, but, they aren't interchangeable nor are they directly compatible.
However, there are many IAX2 toolkits out there, including some written in Java, etc. So, I recommend abandoning the notion of SIP for the Web Transceiver entirely--go with IAX2 from the start. SIP won't do what's needed for interfacing with the app_rpt code since SIP doesn't natively pass the telemetry used by app_rpt, etc.
73, David KB4FXC
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
My understanding of
Differences to sip and iax is that underlying command/control/comment data.
If you have and send that data, asterisk is ready for it.
Any sip device can be a iax device, but to have iax control, you must send that extra iax data formatted. Any iax device can be used as a sip device without control.
any clues where the original java source may be found ?
...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Tim Sawyer <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Date: Sun, August 17, 2014 1:35 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Why is (a nicely commented) iax.conf shown there? -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:14 AM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
It's already sourced as iax.
iax.conf?r=126">https://code.google.com/p/sipml5/source/browse/trunk/asterisk/etc/iax.conf?r...
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Ok so instead of obfuscating the situation why don't you just fix it. You have the source so go for it! You go by your rules and others go by theirs. If you don't want to display IRLP then don't. Right now all of the new 40K Allstar nodes display labeled IRLP! and people think they are when they log in. At least fix that part of it. I support and display all the nodes correctly in lsnodes. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: telesistant@hotmail.com To: doug@crompton.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:02:06 -0700 Doug, IRLP is Dave Cameron's network. It is his to decide what happens or doesn't happen on it or with it. I always have and always will totally respect his position and say in this matter. Putting such support in official Allstar software would clearly endorse operation which is contrary to his wishes/policies regarding his network. I won't do so, nor do I appreciate anyone encouraging others to do so. Jim WB6NIL From: doug@crompton.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:57:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display Well I respectfully disagree. There are unofficial bridges and depending on how they are configured they do pass IRLP nodes as 8xxxxx - You certainly have the option of using that information or just ignoring it. I can show you a display that shows the IRLP node when a bridge is connected. This of course is totally dependent on how the bridge works. There is still old code floating around and probably modified code being used for bridges. Someone decided that the 8xxxxx region was now IRLP official or not. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: telesistant@hotmail.com To: doug@crompton.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 06:25:21 -0700 WRONG! IRLP IS NOT DESIGNATED AS *ANYTHING*!!!!!!! Allstar is not interconnected with IRLP. Doug: Where do you get off making such a statement? You are in no position to do so. In fact what you are doing here is endorsing activity OFFICIALLY AGAINST Allstar system policy, which absolutely will NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!! Jim, WB6NIL From: doug@crompton.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 23:12:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display The leading "4" needs to be changed to a leading "8" IRLP is now designated as 8xxxx. There still are unofficial bridges and in my lsnodes script I often see real IRLP nodes that show up with the leading 8 which I strip. The problem is though you can't just check for the leading 8 you really have to check for the entire string and make sure it is in the 80,000 to 89999 range. I would think the web transceiver code does this now for the 40000-49999 range. Just needs to be changed to 80000-89999. If it is a number in that range strip the leading 8 and present as an IRLP node. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: mike@midnighteng.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:32:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display If you have the correct segment... a simple change will prevent the problem until something better can be worked out. } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return false; } return false; } ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 9:58 pm To: APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> It's Java, it practically ships with the source. http://jd.benow.ca/, the online version works fine for messing around with it. I'd say the offending code is this: private boolean isIRLP(String str) { if (str.length() != 6) { return false; } for (int i = 2; i < str.length(); i++) { char ch = str.charAt(i); if (!Character.isDigit(ch)) { return false; } } String s0 = str.substring(1, 2); if (s0.equals("4")) { return true; } return false; } it's in the BeanCanFrameManager.class in the jar. It's a signed jar, so the hard part will be resigning it and getting it to be happy with a different rsa key. I'm no programer, just a guy that knows some assembler and has a copy of IDA. I don't have the time to mess with it either right now :( 73's On 8/19/14, 8:11 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote: Since we no longer bridge to irlp, it should be a easy fix in a evaluation statement of node number over 4xxxx. (short fix) Or eliminating all code to irlp connects (long fix) not desirable as things could change again. Not having seen the code, I should refrain from comment though. There could be all kinds of hidden treasures there. Not always as easy as one might think. ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@dseven.org> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:58 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: "App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> There's (apparently) some logic that makes it display node numbers of the form '4xxxx' as if they were IRLP nodes. e.g. my node is 40898, and it appears in WebTransceiver as something like "IRLP:0898" 73, ~iain / N6ML On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Through all the chatter on this, I lost sight of what the problem is that we are trying to FIX ? Outside of being a java web app.
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> Date: Tue, August 19, 2014 7:22 pm To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Would he be willing to just fix the problem? It seems like a rather simple fix if we are just talking about the node display.
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
________________________________ From: tim.sawyer@mac.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:43:26 -0700 To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
I talked to Jim Dixon about this yesterday. He said he is willing to supply the source under certain conditions. Please contact him directly if interested. -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Bob Brown - WØNQX <bbrown@byrg.net> wrote:
well guys here is the list for the web site.... emails are included for most take your pick.....
AllStar Link Network -- Developers
Allstar Link Web Site Development Team
w0otm@w0otm.com -- Marshall Dias, W0OTM
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
dsuper7@gmail.com -- Daniel Issac, No call (at least not yet)
App_rpt Development Team
jim@lambdatel.com -- Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
sph@xelatec.com -- Steve Henke, W9SH
And many other who have generously contributed to this technology
Allstar Link OS And Sotware Distrubutions (ACID and Limey Linux)
hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com -- Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT
Other Developers
Other Developers
-- Thanks in Advance
Bob Brown, WØNQX
Kansas City Metro Area
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
--
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
Well if you don't have source for the current web transceiver apparently there is source for iaxrpt which works well. It could be used as a base for something new on the web page.
It is really a shame to start all over again when this is probably a very simple fix to the current code. Who had the source? Can we contact that person?
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:26:04 -0700 From: ar@dseven.org To: kb4fxc@inttek.net CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display
Some desire to get away from Java was expressed, and HTML5 suggested. I don't know much about HTML5 yet, to be honest. Does anyone see an easy path to a web client based on HTML5 + IAX2 ?
It appears that the current WebTransceiver is based on Mexuar Corraleta
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Mexuar
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
SIP and IAX2 are completely different protocols. It's rather like comparing a Chevy to a Ford or English to Chinese---Both VoIP protocols accomplish a lot of the same things, but, they aren't interchangeable nor are they directly compatible.
However, there are many IAX2 toolkits out there, including some written in Java, etc. So, I recommend abandoning the notion of SIP for the Web Transceiver entirely--go with IAX2 from the start. SIP won't do what's needed for interfacing with the app_rpt code since SIP doesn't natively pass the telemetry used by app_rpt, etc.
73, David KB4FXC
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
My understanding of
Differences to sip and iax is that underlying command/control/comment data.
If you have and send that data, asterisk is ready for it.
Any sip device can be a iax device, but to have iax control, you must send that extra iax data formatted. Any iax device can be used as a sip device without control.
any clues where the original java source may be found ?
...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Web transceiver node display From: Tim Sawyer <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Date: Sun, August 17, 2014 1:35 pm To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Why is (a nicely commented) iax.conf shown there? -- Tim :wq
On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:14 AM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
It's already sourced as iax.
iax.conf?r=126">https://code.google.com/p/sipml5/source/browse/trunk/asterisk/etc/iax.conf?r...
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mike＠midnighteng.com -
Richard Szajkowski