i don't get why people would want to pass DTMF over the output of the repeater. besides being anoying, it exposes your control sequence to disclosure (record, playback) and is generally considered obnoxious. here's an idea: buy a receiver board from hamtronics or bash an old mobile to get discriminator out to a URI, split the receive antenna line at the site, set up a receive node on some oddball non-interfering frequency, and code what you want into scripts and/or commands in rpt.conf. set your mobile/ht to same oddball frequency, and pound away on the keypad to your heart's content without blowing the speakers out of the radios that may be tuned to your repeater output and turning folks off to using said mschine. it's called 'out-of-band' control. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...small keyboard, big fingers...please forgive misspellings...
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:32, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Tim and Angelo,
Can you make some macros and use ilink commands 200-215 to generate dtmf strings ? Could give you limited functionality. ???
It has been a bit of a standard with other controllers that to pass dtmf through, you just needed to start with a "#" and later digits would pass. Any chance we could have that functionality?
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, February 20, 2014 11:09 am To: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Yes I have. It does not support the radio I want to use. You would think passing tones via RF would be an easy thing to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
App_rpt supports some HF radios. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/191 Have you looked into doing it that way?
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, If I wanted to control another remote base (HF) outside of asterisk, it would require that tones be passed over there air. Command line would not work.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Understood. How about having a command or two that would send the TTs you want? http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/94
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Thanks all for the replies. I was trying to pass the tones via RF. Not to the next node per say.
73 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Yes, Buddy you have it right. Let’s break it down:
* is the prefix, AKA the function (or start) character. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/133
4 is command mode (you exit with #). http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/21
0 is a shortcut for last node number
So for propagate_dtmf to work you have to connect to the remote node and then go into command mode.
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Wouldn’t it have to be *4[node number] to guarantee that you’re commanding the right node? *4 is the command to send commands to a remote node, thus *40 would specify to control the most recently connected node, is that not correct? Or did I get the wrong end of this?
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Bryan, Sorry you feel that passing tone over rf is anoying to you. Some of us who have equipment that uses touch tone to control an HF radio requires this function. If you have to worry about disclosure of codes, well, that's another can of worms I dont want to open. I knew the idea would not appeal to everyone, and a few would find ways to put down the idea, but I guess that is what ham radio is about. Can't make everyone happy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan D. Boyle To: app_rpt mailing list Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones i don't get why people would want to pass DTMF over the output of the repeater. besides being anoying, it exposes your control sequence to disclosure (record, playback) and is generally considered obnoxious. here's an idea: buy a receiver board from hamtronics or bash an old mobile to get discriminator out to a URI, split the receive antenna line at the site, set up a receive node on some oddball non-interfering frequency, and code what you want into scripts and/or commands in rpt.conf. set your mobile/ht to same oddball frequency, and pound away on the keypad to your heart's content without blowing the speakers out of the radios that may be tuned to your repeater output and turning folks off to using said mschine. it's called 'out-of-band' control. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...small keyboard, big fingers...please forgive misspellings... On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:32, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote: Tim and Angelo, Can you make some macros and use ilink commands 200-215 to generate dtmf strings ? Could give you limited functionality. ??? It has been a bit of a standard with other controllers that to pass dtmf through, you just needed to start with a "#" and later digits would pass. Any chance we could have that functionality? ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, February 20, 2014 11:09 am To: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Yes I have. It does not support the radio I want to use. You would think passing tones via RF would be an easy thing to do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones App_rpt supports some HF radios. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/191 Have you looked into doing it that way? -- Tim :wq On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, If I wanted to control another remote base (HF) outside of asterisk, it would require that tones be passed over there air. Command line would not work.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Understood. How about having a command or two that would send the TTs you want? http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/94
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Thanks all for the replies. I was trying to pass the tones via RF. Not to the next node per say.
73 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Yes, Buddy you have it right. Let’s break it down:
* is the prefix, AKA the function (or start) character. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/133
4 is command mode (you exit with #). http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/21
0 is a shortcut for last node number
So for propagate_dtmf to work you have to connect to the remote node and then go into command mode.
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Wouldn’t it have to be *4[node number] to guarantee that you’re commanding the right node? *4 is the command to send commands to a remote node, thus *40 would specify to control the most recently connected node, is that not correct? Or did I get the wrong end of this?
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passing DTMF over radio repeaters' transmitters is what's anoying, not only to me, but to some number of x listeners who may also be listening on frequency, have scanners tuned to the output, HTs in their offices on but at a lower volume, sitting on their nightstands, etc. That's just one reason, i'm thinking, that DTMF is muted. Our frequencies are open to all, we don't know who's listening, and all that implies. So, along with that, keeping control codes somewhat masked (because the number of lids hasn't decreased) IS something that should be taken into accout. however specious that argument is (yeah, i know, listen on the input...). Out of band signaling, if you have no other way to pass control sequences inband via the *4xxx# capabilities of asterisk machines linked over an IP network, can get you what you need; just needs a little 'out of the box' thinking. For instance, i have a 900 machine linked to my core system via a 70 cm link. DTMF doesn't propagate, since Asterisk THINKS the node is co-located with the compiter. i have asterisk running at the remote site, btw. i just use the core-to-remote frequency to control the far instance by writing scripts that do what i want, assigning them to a DTMF frequency, and so forth. In-band? yes. muted? yes. full control? yes. blaring DTMF through a flamethrowing 900 box with 75-mile diameter range in the NY/Philly corridor? no. Being considerate and a good neighbor, even in ham radio, goes a long way. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...small keyboard, big fingers...please forgive misspellings...
On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:10, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bryan,
Sorry you feel that passing tone over rf is anoying to you. Some of us who have equipment that uses touch tone to control an HF radio requires this function.
If you have to worry about disclosure of codes, well, that's another can of worms I dont want to open. I knew the idea would not appeal to everyone, and a few would find ways to put down the idea, but I guess that is what ham radio is about. Can't make everyone happy.
----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan D. Boyle To: app_rpt mailing list Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
i don't get why people would want to pass DTMF over the output of the repeater. besides being anoying, it exposes your control sequence to disclosure (record, playback) and is generally considered obnoxious.
here's an idea: buy a receiver board from hamtronics or bash an old mobile to get discriminator out to a URI, split the receive antenna line at the site, set up a receive node on some oddball non-interfering frequency, and code what you want into scripts and/or commands in rpt.conf. set your mobile/ht to same oddball frequency, and pound away on the keypad to your heart's content without blowing the speakers out of the radios that may be tuned to your repeater output and turning folks off to using said mschine.
it's called 'out-of-band' control. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...small keyboard, big fingers...please forgive misspellings...
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:32, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Tim and Angelo,
Can you make some macros and use ilink commands 200-215 to generate dtmf strings ? Could give you limited functionality. ???
It has been a bit of a standard with other controllers that to pass dtmf through, you just needed to start with a "#" and later digits would pass. Any chance we could have that functionality?
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, February 20, 2014 11:09 am To: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Yes I have. It does not support the radio I want to use. You would think passing tones via RF would be an easy thing to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
App_rpt supports some HF radios. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/191 Have you looked into doing it that way?
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, If I wanted to control another remote base (HF) outside of asterisk, it would require that tones be passed over there air. Command line would not work.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Understood. How about having a command or two that would send the TTs you want? http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/94
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Thanks all for the replies. I was trying to pass the tones via RF. Not to the next node per say.
73 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Yes, Buddy you have it right. Let’s break it down:
* is the prefix, AKA the function (or start) character. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/133
4 is command mode (you exit with #). http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/21
0 is a shortcut for last node number
So for propagate_dtmf to work you have to connect to the remote node and then go into command mode.
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Wouldn’t it have to be *4[node number] to guarantee that you’re commanding the right node? *4 is the command to send commands to a remote node, thus *40 would specify to control the most recently connected node, is that not correct? Or did I get the wrong end of this?
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Rest my case. Can't make everyone happy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan D. Boyle" <bdboyle@bdboyle.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones passing DTMF over radio repeaters' transmitters is what's anoying, not only to me, but to some number of x listeners who may also be listening on frequency, have scanners tuned to the output, HTs in their offices on but at a lower volume, sitting on their nightstands, etc. That's just one reason, i'm thinking, that DTMF is muted. Our frequencies are open to all, we don't know who's listening, and all that implies. So, along with that, keeping control codes somewhat masked (because the number of lids hasn't decreased) IS something that should be taken into accout. however specious that argument is (yeah, i know, listen on the input...). Out of band signaling, if you have no other way to pass control sequences inband via the *4xxx# capabilities of asterisk machines linked over an IP network, can get you what you need; just needs a little 'out of the box' thinking. For instance, i have a 900 machine linked to my core system via a 70 cm link. DTMF doesn't propagate, since Asterisk THINKS the node is co-located with the compiter. i have asterisk running at the remote site, btw. i just use the core-to-remote frequency to control the far instance by writing scripts that do what i want, assigning them to a DTMF frequency, and so forth. In-band? yes. muted? yes. full control? yes. blaring DTMF through a flamethrowing 900 box with 75-mile diameter range in the NY/Philly corridor? no. Being considerate and a good neighbor, even in ham radio, goes a long way. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...small keyboard, big fingers...please forgive misspellings...
On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:10, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bryan,
Sorry you feel that passing tone over rf is anoying to you. Some of us who have equipment that uses touch tone to control an HF radio requires this function.
If you have to worry about disclosure of codes, well, that's another can of worms I dont want to open. I knew the idea would not appeal to everyone, and a few would find ways to put down the idea, but I guess that is what ham radio is about. Can't make everyone happy.
----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan D. Boyle To: app_rpt mailing list Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
i don't get why people would want to pass DTMF over the output of the repeater. besides being anoying, it exposes your control sequence to disclosure (record, playback) and is generally considered obnoxious.
here's an idea: buy a receiver board from hamtronics or bash an old mobile to get discriminator out to a URI, split the receive antenna line at the site, set up a receive node on some oddball non-interfering frequency, and code what you want into scripts and/or commands in rpt.conf. set your mobile/ht to same oddball frequency, and pound away on the keypad to your heart's content without blowing the speakers out of the radios that may be tuned to your repeater output and turning folks off to using said mschine.
it's called 'out-of-band' control. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...small keyboard, big fingers...please forgive misspellings...
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:32, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote:
Tim and Angelo,
Can you make some macros and use ilink commands 200-215 to generate dtmf strings ? Could give you limited functionality. ???
It has been a bit of a standard with other controllers that to pass dtmf through, you just needed to start with a "#" and later digits would pass. Any chance we could have that functionality?
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, February 20, 2014 11:09 am To: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Yes I have. It does not support the radio I want to use. You would think passing tones via RF would be an easy thing to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
App_rpt supports some HF radios. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/191 Have you looked into doing it that way?
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, If I wanted to control another remote base (HF) outside of asterisk, it would require that tones be passed over there air. Command line would not work.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Understood. How about having a command or two that would send the TTs you want? http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/94
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Thanks all for the replies. I was trying to pass the tones via RF. Not to the next node per say.
73 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Yes, Buddy you have it right. Let’s break it down:
* is the prefix, AKA the function (or start) character. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/133
4 is command mode (you exit with #). http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/21
0 is a shortcut for last node number
So for propagate_dtmf to work you have to connect to the remote node and then go into command mode.
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Wouldn’t it have to be *4[node number] to guarantee that you’re commanding the right node? *4 is the command to send commands to a remote node, thus *40 would specify to control the most recently connected node, is that not correct? Or did I get the wrong end of this?
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you are right. 40+ years of rf experience from ham radio to broadcast to tactical ststems has taught me what works, what doesn't, and what will pi$$ off users. it's your system. do what you want. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...small keyboard, big fingers...please forgive misspellings...
On Feb 20, 2014, at 13:13, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Rest my case. Can't make everyone happy!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan D. Boyle" <bdboyle@bdboyle.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
passing DTMF over radio repeaters' transmitters is what's anoying, not only to me, but to some number of x listeners who may also be listening on frequency, have scanners tuned to the output, HTs in their offices on but at a lower volume, sitting on their nightstands, etc.
That's just one reason, i'm thinking, that DTMF is muted. Our frequencies are open to all, we don't know who's listening, and all that implies. So, along with that, keeping control codes somewhat masked (because the number of lids hasn't decreased) IS something that should be taken into accout. however specious that argument is (yeah, i know, listen on the input...).
Out of band signaling, if you have no other way to pass control sequences inband via the *4xxx# capabilities of asterisk machines linked over an IP network, can get you what you need; just needs a little 'out of the box' thinking.
For instance, i have a 900 machine linked to my core system via a 70 cm link. DTMF doesn't propagate, since Asterisk THINKS the node is co-located with the compiter. i have asterisk running at the remote site, btw. i just use the core-to-remote frequency to control the far instance by writing scripts that do what i want, assigning them to a DTMF frequency, and so forth.
In-band? yes. muted? yes. full control? yes. blaring DTMF through a flamethrowing 900 box with 75-mile diameter range in the NY/Philly corridor? no.
Being considerate and a good neighbor, even in ham radio, goes a long way.
On 02/20/2014 12:27 PM, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
you are right. 40+ years of rf experience from ham radio to broadcast to tactical ststems has taught me what works, what doesn't, and what will pi$$ off users.
it's your system. do what you want.
I should have read the rest of the list. Ignore previous comments, Bryan.
On 02/20/2014 11:46 AM, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
passing DTMF over radio repeaters' transmitters is what's anoying, not only to me, but to some number of x listeners who may also be listening on frequency, have scanners tuned to the output, HTs in their offices on but at a lower volume, sitting on their nightstands, etc.
What it boils down to, Bryan, is the control operators preference. It's -his- system, and through the graciousness of his heart, has opened it to whoever pleases to operate there. Let me say, again, it's -HIS- system, and HE can do with it AS HE PLEASES! If the general user finds it disgusting enough to be bothered by it, then, by golly, the Radio has a knob marked VFO ... SEEYA!
Being considerate and a good neighbor, even in ham radio, goes a long way.
Give it a try and let us know how it works for ya. -Geoff/W5OM
I think everyone is missing the point. This was not suppose to be a debate. It was a simple question. As Bryan feels, I support him, but I would rather have this option myself. No hard feels here. Was never suppose to have any!!!. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff" <ars.w5omr@gmail.com> To: <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
On 02/20/2014 11:46 AM, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
passing DTMF over radio repeaters' transmitters is what's anoying, not only to me, but to some number of x listeners who may also be listening on frequency, have scanners tuned to the output, HTs in their offices on but at a lower volume, sitting on their nightstands, etc.
What it boils down to, Bryan, is the control operators preference. It's -his- system, and through the graciousness of his heart, has opened it to whoever pleases to operate there. Let me say, again, it's -HIS- system, and HE can do with it AS HE PLEASES! If the general user finds it disgusting enough to be bothered by it, then, by golly, the Radio has a knob marked VFO ... SEEYA!
Being considerate and a good neighbor, even in ham radio, goes a long way.
Give it a try and let us know how it works for ya.
-Geoff/W5OM
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It would still be nice if it was an option. For example… Say the allstar node was a hub and I had a couple of rf links from other repeaters to the hub. I would want the hub to pass the DTMF so the other repeaters could hear it. I ask for it years ago and was told it wouldn’t happen. It would be very nice to be able to have it available as a cop command. Corey N3FE From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Bryan D. Boyle Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: app_rpt mailing list Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones i don't get why people would want to pass DTMF over the output of the repeater. besides being anoying, it exposes your control sequence to disclosure (record, playback) and is generally considered obnoxious. here's an idea: buy a receiver board from hamtronics or bash an old mobile to get discriminator out to a URI, split the receive antenna line at the site, set up a receive node on some oddball non-interfering frequency, and code what you want into scripts and/or commands in rpt.conf. set your mobile/ht to same oddball frequency, and pound away on the keypad to your heart's content without blowing the speakers out of the radios that may be tuned to your repeater output and turning folks off to using said mschine. it's called 'out-of-band' control. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...small keyboard, big fingers...please forgive misspellings... On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:32, <mike@midnighteng.com<mailto:mike@midnighteng.com>> wrote: Tim and Angelo, Can you make some macros and use ilink commands 200-215 to generate dtmf strings ? Could give you limited functionality. ??? It has been a bit of a standard with other controllers that to pass dtmf through, you just needed to start with a "#" and later digits would pass. Any chance we could have that functionality? ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com<mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> Date: Thu, February 20, 2014 11:09 am To: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com<mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com>> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org<mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>> Yes I have. It does not support the radio I want to use. You would think passing tones via RF would be an easy thing to do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com<mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com>> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com<mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name<mailto:buddy@brannan.name>>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org<mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones App_rpt supports some HF radios. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/191 Have you looked into doing it that way? -- Tim :wq On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com<mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Well, If I wanted to control another remote base (HF) outside of asterisk, it would require that tones be passed over there air. Command line would not work.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com<mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com>> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com<mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name<mailto:buddy@brannan.name>>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org<mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Understood. How about having a command or two that would send the TTs you want? http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/94
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com<mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Thanks all for the replies. I was trying to pass the tones via RF. Not to the next node per say.
73 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com<mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com>> To: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name<mailto:buddy@brannan.name>> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org<mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Yes, Buddy you have it right. Let’s break it down:
* is the prefix, AKA the function (or start) character. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/133
4 is command mode (you exit with #). http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/21
0 is a shortcut for last node number
So for propagate_dtmf to work you have to connect to the remote node and then go into command mode.
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name<mailto:buddy@brannan.name>> wrote:
Wouldn’t it have to be *4[node number] to guarantee that you’re commanding the right node? *4 is the command to send commands to a remote node, thus *40 would specify to control the most recently connected node, is that not correct? Or did I get the wrong end of this?
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I agree with you Corey. It would be very useful to me as well. The more flexible hardware and software is, the more useful it is for a wider range of unique circumstances. Plus buying extra receiver boards and more URI's just to get some DTMF control for a few things I do is a waste of my time and money. Chris KB2FAF On 02/20/2014 05:24 PM, Corey Dean wrote:
It would still be nice if it was an option. For example... Say the allstar node was a hub and I had a couple of rf links from other repeaters to the hub. I would want the hub to pass the DTMF so the other repeaters could hear it. I ask for it years ago and was told it wouldn't happen. It would be very nice to be able to have it available as a cop command.
Corey N3FE
*From:*app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] *On Behalf Of *Bryan D. Boyle *Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:47 AM *To:* app_rpt mailing list *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
i don't get why people would want to pass DTMF over the output of the repeater. besides being anoying, it exposes your control sequence to disclosure (record, playback) and is generally considered obnoxious.
here's an idea: buy a receiver board from hamtronics or bash an old mobile to get discriminator out to a URI, split the receive antenna line at the site, set up a receive node on some oddball non-interfering frequency, and code what you want into scripts and/or commands in rpt.conf. set your mobile/ht to same oddball frequency, and pound away on the keypad to your heart's content without blowing the speakers out of the radios that may be tuned to your repeater output and turning folks off to using said mschine.
it's called 'out-of-band' control. --
Bryan
Sent from my iPhone 5...small
keyboard, big fingers...please
forgive misspellings...
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:32, <mike@midnighteng.com <mailto:mike@midnighteng.com>> wrote:
Tim and Angelo,
Can you make some macros and use ilink commands 200-215 to generate dtmf strings ? Could give you limited functionality. ???
It has been a bit of a standard with other controllers that to pass dtmf through, you just needed to start with a "#" and later digits would pass.
Any chance we could have that functionality?
...mike/kb8jnm
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com <mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> Date: Thu, February 20, 2014 11:09 am To: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com <mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com>> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>>
Yes I have. It does not support the radio I want to use. You would think passing tones via RF would be an easy thing to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com <mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com>> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com <mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name <mailto:buddy@brannan.name>>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
App_rpt supports some HF radios. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/191 Have you looked into doing it that way?
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com <mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Well, If I wanted to control another remote base (HF) outside of asterisk, > it would require that tones be passed over there air. Command line would > not work. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com <mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com>> > To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com <mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> > Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name <mailto:buddy@brannan.name>>; "app_rpt mailing list" > <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones > > > Understood. How about having a command or two that would send the TTs you > want? http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/94 > > -- > Tim > :wq > > On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com <mailto:n5uxt@hotmail.com>> wrote: > >> Hi Tim, >> >> Thanks all for the replies. I was trying to pass the tones via RF. Not to >> the next node per say. >> >> 73 de Angelo >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com <mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com>> >> To: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name <mailto:buddy@brannan.name>> >> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones >> >> >> Yes, Buddy you have it right. Let's break it down: >> >> * is the prefix, AKA the function (or start) character. >> http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/133 >> >> 4 is command mode (you exit with #). http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/21 >> >> 0 is a shortcut for last node number >> >> So for propagate_dtmf to work you have to connect to the remote node and >> then go into command mode. >> >> -- >> Tim >> :wq >> >> On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name <mailto:buddy@brannan.name>> wrote: >> >>> Wouldn't it have to be *4[node number] to guarantee that you're >>> commanding the right node? *4 is the command to send commands to a >>> remote node, thus *40 would specify to control the most recently >>> connected node, is that not correct? Or did I get the wrong end of this? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> >> http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit >> http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down >> to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the >> "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email >> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to >> the list detailing the problem. >> > >
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Corey, It is not that big of a deal. I just hope that if Jim position does not change ( which I undestand ), I hope he would consider adding additional support for more radios. That would solve the problem. Jim, is it possible to add the TS-2000 for remote base list of radios?? HF remote bases are a great way to promote the hobby when it comes to upgrading. ( Please this is just an opinion - NO DEBATES PLEASE ) 73 de Angelo ----- Original Message ----- From: Corey Dean To: Bryan D. Boyle ; app_rpt mailing list Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones It would still be nice if it was an option. For example… Say the allstar node was a hub and I had a couple of rf links from other repeaters to the hub. I would want the hub to pass the DTMF so the other repeaters could hear it. I ask for it years ago and was told it wouldn’t happen. It would be very nice to be able to have it available as a cop command. Corey N3FE From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Bryan D. Boyle Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: app_rpt mailing list Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones i don't get why people would want to pass DTMF over the output of the repeater. besides being anoying, it exposes your control sequence to disclosure (record, playback) and is generally considered obnoxious. here's an idea: buy a receiver board from hamtronics or bash an old mobile to get discriminator out to a URI, split the receive antenna line at the site, set up a receive node on some oddball non-interfering frequency, and code what you want into scripts and/or commands in rpt.conf. set your mobile/ht to same oddball frequency, and pound away on the keypad to your heart's content without blowing the speakers out of the radios that may be tuned to your repeater output and turning folks off to using said mschine. it's called 'out-of-band' control. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...small keyboard, big fingers...please forgive misspellings... On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:32, <mike@midnighteng.com> wrote: Tim and Angelo, Can you make some macros and use ilink commands 200-215 to generate dtmf strings ? Could give you limited functionality. ??? It has been a bit of a standard with other controllers that to pass dtmf through, you just needed to start with a "#" and later digits would pass. Any chance we could have that functionality? ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, February 20, 2014 11:09 am To: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Yes I have. It does not support the radio I want to use. You would think passing tones via RF would be an easy thing to do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones App_rpt supports some HF radios. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/191 Have you looked into doing it that way? -- Tim :wq On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, If I wanted to control another remote base (HF) outside of asterisk, it would require that tones be passed over there air. Command line would not work.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Understood. How about having a command or two that would send the TTs you want? http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/94
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Thanks all for the replies. I was trying to pass the tones via RF. Not to the next node per say.
73 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Yes, Buddy you have it right. Let’s break it down:
* is the prefix, AKA the function (or start) character. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/133
4 is command mode (you exit with #). http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/21
0 is a shortcut for last node number
So for propagate_dtmf to work you have to connect to the remote node and then go into command mode.
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Wouldn’t it have to be *4[node number] to guarantee that you’re commanding the right node? *4 is the command to send commands to a remote node, thus *40 would specify to control the most recently connected node, is that not correct? Or did I get the wrong end of this?
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Thanks Mike. I will keep this in mind. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike@midnighteng.com To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones Tim and Angelo, Can you make some macros and use ilink commands 200-215 to generate dtmf strings ? Could give you limited functionality. ??? It has been a bit of a standard with other controllers that to pass dtmf through, you just needed to start with a "#" and later digits would pass. Any chance we could have that functionality? ...mike/kb8jnm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, February 20, 2014 11:09 am To: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Yes I have. It does not support the radio I want to use. You would think passing tones via RF would be an easy thing to do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones App_rpt supports some HF radios. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/191 Have you looked into doing it that way? -- Tim :wq On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, If I wanted to control another remote base (HF) outside of asterisk, it would require that tones be passed over there air. Command line would not work.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@hotmail.com> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>; "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Understood. How about having a command or two that would send the TTs you want? http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/94
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Thanks all for the replies. I was trying to pass the tones via RF. Not to the next node per say.
73 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer@mac.com> To: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name> Cc: "app_rpt mailing list" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Touch Tones
Yes, Buddy you have it right. Let’s break it down:
* is the prefix, AKA the function (or start) character. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/133
4 is command mode (you exit with #). http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/21
0 is a shortcut for last node number
So for propagate_dtmf to work you have to connect to the remote node and then go into command mode.
-- Tim :wq
On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Wouldn’t it have to be *4[node number] to guarantee that you’re commanding the right node? *4 is the command to send commands to a remote node, thus *40 would specify to control the most recently connected node, is that not correct? Or did I get the wrong end of this?
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