The local club wants to link two repeaters (local and remote) using a 440 link. I’d like to see just how serious folks are about this before we go to all that expense. I’m looking for some pointers as I attempt to setup a “chicken link” with our remote repeater using a local radio attached to an Allstarlink node. The radio operates in half-duplex with the receive audio out over the internet, and the audio coming in from the internet is transmitted to the remote repeater. My first attempt resulted in ping ponging between the repeater and my local radio. I’m certainly missing something. I’m looking for some added insights. I started by using duplex=0 in rpt.conf Thanks, Bob K6ECM Sent from iPad
There are many methods for doing this. The one I prefer is to use ctcss on link radios and use the tone for COS So if you can 'pass' pl on the system OR generate a pl only when the repeater has a active cos, works. You can't listen to the repeater 'tail' on your cos. It's the same mistake most make when doing radio remote echolink set-ups. ...mike/kb8jnm On 8/19/2018 12:53 AM, Bob Pyke wrote:
The local club wants to link two repeaters (local and remote) using a 440 link. I’d like to see just how serious folks are about this before we go to all that expense. I’m looking for some pointers as I attempt to setup a “chicken link” with our remote repeater using a local radio attached to an Allstarlink node. The radio operates in half-duplex with the receive audio out over the internet, and the audio coming in from the internet is transmitted to the remote repeater. My first attempt resulted in ping ponging between the repeater and my local radio. I’m certainly missing something. I’m looking for some added insights. I started by using duplex=0 in rpt.conf
Thanks, Bob K6ECM
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Doesn't ASL send PL till the end of the tail? Thanks, Bob K6ECM Sent from iPad
On Aug 19, 2018, at 7:08 AM, Mike <mm@midnighteng.com> wrote:
There are many methods for doing this. The one I prefer is to use ctcss on link radios and use the tone for COS So if you can 'pass' pl on the system OR generate a pl only when the repeater has a active cos, works. You can't listen to the repeater 'tail' on your cos. It's the same mistake most make when doing radio remote echolink set-ups.
...mike/kb8jnm
On 8/19/2018 12:53 AM, Bob Pyke wrote: The local club wants to link two repeaters (local and remote) using a 440 link. I’d like to see just how serious folks are about this before we go to all that expense. I’m looking for some pointers as I attempt to setup a “chicken link” with our remote repeater using a local radio attached to an Allstarlink node. The radio operates in half-duplex with the receive audio out over the internet, and the audio coming in from the internet is transmitted to the remote repeater. My first attempt resulted in ping ponging between the repeater and my local radio. I’m certainly missing something. I’m looking for some added insights. I started by using duplex=0 in rpt.conf Thanks, Bob K6ECM Sent from iPad _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
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That depends on how you set it up as I remember it. Perhaps my memory is failing me again, but, I thought you were looking for a method. You may have to resort to a hardware 'encoder' that is set to come 'on with COS' . Not knowing what the uhf link radios are and assuming that they do not themselves have ctcss capability... (would make it easy) I think if the neither naked settings are there , you should be able to generate it with 'ON EVENT' type scripting in ASL. Best advise... The truly easiest is to use a remote trx on a simplex freq at both locations with or without ctcss on the remote radios. Configured as a remote base in app_rpt... no ping pong, no listening to the others tail. But, remote must be on at both locations. But perhaps your remote radios are not 'freq agile'. No matter the method, if the others tail is present through the link, it's not going to work right. The link COS must end with RX activity. And the easiest to do that is CTCSS. You might also just set a remote TX'rs to the other systems RXrs as a remote base. There is no need to 'listen' to the other system "but only if this is a full time link". Your exact set-up and needs would determine what's best. It's the best I can advise not knowing how the remote radios are config'd in the system or what they are capable of. ...mike/kb8jnm On 8/19/2018 3:51 PM, Bob Pyke wrote:
Doesn't ASL send PL till the end of the tail?
Thanks, Bob K6ECM
Sent from iPad
On Aug 19, 2018, at 7:08 AM, Mike <mm@midnighteng.com> wrote:
There are many methods for doing this. The one I prefer is to use ctcss on link radios and use the tone for COS So if you can 'pass' pl on the system OR generate a pl only when the repeater has a active cos, works. You can't listen to the repeater 'tail' on your cos. It's the same mistake most make when doing radio remote echolink set-ups.
...mike/kb8jnm
On 8/19/2018 12:53 AM, Bob Pyke wrote: The local club wants to link two repeaters (local and remote) using a 440 link. I’d like to see just how serious folks are about this before we go to all that expense. I’m looking for some pointers as I attempt to setup a “chicken link” with our remote repeater using a local radio attached to an Allstarlink node. The radio operates in half-duplex with the receive audio out over the internet, and the audio coming in from the internet is transmitted to the remote repeater. My first attempt resulted in ping ponging between the repeater and my local radio. I’m certainly missing something. I’m looking for some added insights. I started by using duplex=0 in rpt.conf Thanks, Bob K6ECM Sent from iPad _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
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I believe 'NO' is the setting you are looking for... I could be wrong ! ...mike/kb8jnm http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/node/69 txtoctype=notone ; Transmit tone control type: no,phase,notone ; no - CTCSS tone encoding with no hang time ; phase - encode CTCSS and reverse phase ; AKA ("reverse burst") before unkeying TX ; notone - encode CTCSS and stop sending tone before unkeying TX ; AKA ("chicken burst") On 8/19/2018 5:30 PM, Mike wrote:
That depends on how you set it up as I remember it. Perhaps my memory is failing me again, but, I thought you were looking for a method.
You may have to resort to a hardware 'encoder' that is set to come 'on with COS' . Not knowing what the uhf link radios are and assuming that they do not themselves have ctcss capability... (would make it easy)
I think if the neither naked settings are there , you should be able to generate it with 'ON EVENT' type scripting in ASL.
Best advise... The truly easiest is to use a remote trx on a simplex freq at both locations with or without ctcss on the remote radios. Configured as a remote base in app_rpt... no ping pong, no listening to the others tail. But, remote must be on at both locations. But perhaps your remote radios are not 'freq agile'.
No matter the method, if the others tail is present through the link, it's not going to work right. The link COS must end with RX activity. And the easiest to do that is CTCSS.
You might also just set a remote TX'rs to the other systems RXrs as a remote base. There is no need to 'listen' to the other system "but only if this is a full time link".
Your exact set-up and needs would determine what's best. It's the best I can advise not knowing how the remote radios are config'd in the system or what they are capable of.
...mike/kb8jnm
On 8/19/2018 3:51 PM, Bob Pyke wrote:
Doesn't ASL send PL till the end of the tail?
Thanks, Bob K6ECM
Sent from iPad
On Aug 19, 2018, at 7:08 AM, Mike <mm@midnighteng.com> wrote:
There are many methods for doing this. The one I prefer is to use ctcss on link radios and use the tone for COS So if you can 'pass' pl on the system OR generate a pl only when the repeater has a active cos, works. You can't listen to the repeater 'tail' on your cos. It's the same mistake most make when doing radio remote echolink set-ups.
...mike/kb8jnm
On 8/19/2018 12:53 AM, Bob Pyke wrote: The local club wants to link two repeaters (local and remote) using a 440 link. I’d like to see just how serious folks are about this before we go to all that expense. I’m looking for some pointers as I attempt to setup a “chicken link” with our remote repeater using a local radio attached to an Allstarlink node. The radio operates in half-duplex with the receive audio out over the internet, and the audio coming in from the internet is transmitted to the remote repeater. My first attempt resulted in ping ponging between the repeater and my local radio. I’m certainly missing something. I’m looking for some added insights. I started by using duplex=0 in rpt.conf Thanks, Bob K6ECM Sent from iPad _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
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Just have to ask… Is it close enough for an RF link? Just treat it as a remove base. All the best, John Heron WA4FAP 678-701-4845 jh0932@gmail.com
On Aug 19, 2018, at 12:53 AM, Bob Pyke <k6ecm1@gmail.com> wrote:
The local club wants to link two repeaters (local and remote) using a 440 link. I’d like to see just how serious folks are about this before we go to all that expense. I’m looking for some pointers as I attempt to setup a “chicken link” with our remote repeater using a local radio attached to an Allstarlink node. The radio operates in half-duplex with the receive audio out over the internet, and the audio coming in from the internet is transmitted to the remote repeater. My first attempt resulted in ping ponging between the repeater and my local radio. I’m certainly missing something. I’m looking for some added insights. I started by using duplex=0 in rpt.conf
Thanks, Bob K6ECM
Sent from iPad
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