I kinda get what your saying Doug. However Kevin had a mood point, pick your wording a little more to your point. Do not connect an individual user node to WIN and WAN at the same time for multiple reasons. First is WIN and WAN have a verbal agreement to not connect the 2 system together unless done so by a COP for emergency reasons. Secondly most residential nodes bandwidth will not handle the amount of traffic. And last but not least the key part is educate your users. Post it on your website your do and don'ts. WAN is and always will be an open system. We have helped a lot of people inside and outside the country setting up there nodes. All-star I'm my opinion is the best thing since sliced bread. When I first got into all-star it would allow IRLP along with echolink. That is not the case anymore. However I know there are nodes out there that can do those and more connections, although frowned upon. I always thought of the HAM community as friendly and helpful, but with strings like this happening not much help. I hope we can all get past this horrible use of adjectives and get back to the goal at hand. BETTERING THE AMATEUR WORLD. Everyone have a WAN-tastic day. And stay warm. -10 in north west PA this morning. AB3AA WANRS TECH SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2015 12:00 PM, <app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org> wrote: Send App_rpt-users mailing list submissions to app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org You can reach the person managing the list at app_rpt-users-owner@ohnosec.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of App_rpt-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wide area traffic tradeoff (Kevin Custer) 2. Repeater Randomly Keys Up (David Dean K0PWO) 3. Online Archive (Steve Zingman) 4. Bizarre Issue (Steve Agee) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:00:15 -0500 From: Kevin Custer <kuggie@kuggie.com> To: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com>, "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff Message-ID: <54DFA94F.1050701@kuggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" On 2/14/2015 3:37 AM, Doug Crompton wrote:
Here's the problem. You don't comprehend what I write and you have a hard-on for whatever I say.
Some people like pileups, the WAN system is an example. For day to day use I am not sure what "wide area" buys you. Educate you users to NOT connect the local hub to the WAN system or any other large network. Kevin, Don't be so defensive! I did not say there was a problem with the WAN, Just don't pollute the quieter smaller hubs with that. You are a fool and you just like to argue with me. Others understand what I am saying, obviously you don't!
It's coming through loud and clear. I comprehend everything you say. I understand you don't like my system. You think I shouldn't defend myself or my network after you go off jamming your opinions down everyone's throat. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't make it bad or wrong. This is no different than your view of the Raspberry PI. If a solution doesn't come from you - it's no good. Here's a clue. Go back to your simplex world and leave us alone. I could care less if you like the WAN system, but next time be smart enough to keep your opinions to yourself. And if you do make a sideways comments about another network, be ready, because most of us won't be pushed around by you and your spineless - thoughtless outbursts. Kevin Custer
I have a simple (hopefully) question - if I link my node with 2 other nodes does it become a hub between the two or does the traffic from my node go out to the 2 other nodes and the traffic from those individual nodes come back to my node? If this is configurable behavior (to hub or not to hub) please do explain. Thanks ____________ Steven Donegan KK6IVC FCC General Class License SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86 www.sscc.us
Steve, A hub is just a word we give to a node that has two or more nodes connected to it. Kind of a central connecting place. Other than that is has no real meaning in how things work. A hub could be a computer stashed somewhere with good Internet bandwidth if you intend to connect many other nodes to it. It does not need to have a radio connected to it but if you need to it could. You can be creative in how you connect things but anything that is connected together shares audio in both directions. In the case you mention you are correct in that all of you would hear and be able to talk to each other assuming you were in transceive mode (*3 connect) which is the most usual way. I suppose in the simplest definition of a hub, in your case you are the hub! Think of it as the hub of a wheel with spokes. Each spoke is a connection to another node. It gets more complicated than that though as each node you connect to could also be connected to multiple nodes. There is protection for loops. If you connect to somneone who in turn connects to someone else and that last person tries to connect back to you it will be rejected. I hope that answers your question. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:06:04 +0000 From: steve@donegan.org To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question I have a simple (hopefully) question - if I link my node with 2 other nodes does it become a hub between the two or does the traffic from my node go out to the 2 other nodes and the traffic from those individual nodes come back to my node? If this is configurable behavior (to hub or not to hub) please do explain. Thanks ____________ Steven Donegan KK6IVC FCC General Class License SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86 www.sscc.us _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
Thank you Doug a nice succinct answer :-) Not the one I wanted to hear but totally understandable. Now to try and figure out how to connect to multiple nets without connecting them together :-) ____________ Steven Donegan KK6IVC FCC General Class License SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> To: Steven Donegan <steve@donegan.org> Cc: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question #yiv0421891944 #yiv0421891944 --.yiv0421891944hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv0421891944 body.yiv0421891944hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv0421891944 Steve, A hub is just a word we give to a node that has two or more nodes connected to it. Kind of a central connecting place. Other than that is has no real meaning in how things work. A hub could be a computer stashed somewhere with good Internet bandwidth if you intend to connect many other nodes to it. It does not need to have a radio connected to it but if you need to it could. You can be creative in how you connect things but anything that is connected together shares audio in both directions. In the case you mention you are correct in that all of you would hear and be able to talk to each other assuming you were in transceive mode (*3 connect) which is the most usual way. I suppose in the simplest definition of a hub, in your case you are the hub! Think of it as the hub of a wheel with spokes. Each spoke is a connection to another node. It gets more complicated than that though as each node you connect to could also be connected to multiple nodes. There is protection for loops. If you connect to somneone who in turn connects to someone else and that last person tries to connect back to you it will be rejected. I hope that answers your question. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:06:04 +0000 From: steve@donegan.org To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question I have a simple (hopefully) question - if I link my node with 2 other nodes does it become a hub between the two or does the traffic from my node go out to the 2 other nodes and the traffic from those individual nodes come back to my node? If this is configurable behavior (to hub or not to hub) please do explain. Thanks ____________ Steven Donegan KK6IVC FCC General Class License SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86 www.sscc.us _______________________________________________App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users@ohnosec.orghttp://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-usersTo unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
Connecting in receive only (monitor mode - *2) can get you a long way towards that. Some clever scripting can get you the rest of the way while still having the ability to transmit on a select net. Brett KQ9N On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Steven Donegan <steve@donegan.org> wrote:
Thank you Doug a nice succinct answer :-) Not the one I wanted to hear but totally understandable. Now to try and figure out how to connect to multiple nets without connecting them together :-)
Steve, I am not exaclty sure what you want to do but I think you want to monitor and be able to talk on two nets with them not being connected. If you connect to two nets from on node the two nets are going to be connected and hear each other. If you want to connect to and hear and talk on both nets independently you can create another node under your server. Then connect one node to one net and the other node to the other net. Of course you would need two radios, one connected to each node to monitor and talk but it would be independent. You also could create another server and node on another computer and do the same thing. What I often do is have several nodes on a server. One node is connected to a radio and that node is considered my primary - where I stay connected or others stay connected to me. Then I use iaxrpt and connect to one of the other nodes on the server and from that node connect to some outside node. Unfortunately you can only have one instance of iaxrpt running per computer so of you wanted to monitor many places simultaneously you would need to open an instance in another computer. You also do not need a radio locally if you build up a console. A small amplifier and mic. connected to a FOB could be setup to do that eliminating the radio. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:03:22 +0000 From: steve@donegan.org To: doug@crompton.com CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question Thank you Doug a nice succinct answer :-) Not the one I wanted to hear but totally understandable. Now to try and figure out how to connect to multiple nets without connecting them together :-) ____________ Steven Donegan KK6IVC FCC General Class License SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> To: Steven Donegan <steve@donegan.org> Cc: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question Steve, A hub is just a word we give to a node that has two or more nodes connected to it. Kind of a central connecting place. Other than that is has no real meaning in how things work. A hub could be a computer stashed somewhere with good Internet bandwidth if you intend to connect many other nodes to it. It does not need to have a radio connected to it but if you need to it could. You can be creative in how you connect things but anything that is connected together shares audio in both directions. In the case you mention you are correct in that all of you would hear and be able to talk to each other assuming you were in transceive mode (*3 connect) which is the most usual way. I suppose in the simplest definition of a hub, in your case you are the hub! Think of it as the hub of a wheel with spokes. Each spoke is a connection to another node. It gets more complicated than that though as each node you connect to could also be connected to multiple nodes. There is protection for loops. If you connect to somneone who in turn connects to someone else and that last person tries to connect back to you it will be rejected. I hope that answers your question.73 DougWA3DSPhttp://www.crompton.com/hamradioDate: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:06:04 +0000From: steve@donegan.orgTo: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.orgSubject: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question I have a simple (hopefully) question - if I link my node with 2 other nodes does it become a hub between the two or does the traffic from my node go out to the 2 other nodes and the traffic from those individual nodes come back to my node? If this is configurable behavior (to hub or not to hub) please do explain.Thanks____________Steven DoneganKK6IVC FCC General Class LicenseSSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86www.sscc.us _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. _______________________________________________App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users@ohnosec.orghttp://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-usersTo unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
Funny Doug, I was thinking about doing 2 nodes - or one node per external network I want to monitor/transmit on and doing just what you suggest with fobs :-) Thanks again! ____________ Steven Donegan KK6IVC FCC General Class License SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> To: Steven Donegan <steve@donegan.org> Cc: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 3:47 PM Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question #yiv2582968956 #yiv2582968956 --.yiv2582968956hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv2582968956 body.yiv2582968956hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv2582968956 Steve, I am not exaclty sure what you want to do but I think you want to monitor and be able to talk on two nets with them not being connected. If you connect to two nets from on node the two nets are going to be connected and hear each other. If you want to connect to and hear and talk on both nets independently you can create another node under your server. Then connect one node to one net and the other node to the other net. Of course you would need two radios, one connected to each node to monitor and talk but it would be independent. You also could create another server and node on another computer and do the same thing. What I often do is have several nodes on a server. One node is connected to a radio and that node is considered my primary - where I stay connected or others stay connected to me. Then I use iaxrpt and connect to one of the other nodes on the server and from that node connect to some outside node. Unfortunately you can only have one instance of iaxrpt running per computer so of you wanted to monitor many places simultaneously you would need to open an instance in another computer. You also do not need a radio locally if you build up a console. A small amplifier and mic. connected to a FOB could be setup to do that eliminating the radio. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:03:22 +0000 From: steve@donegan.org To: doug@crompton.com CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question Thank you Doug a nice succinct answer :-) Not the one I wanted to hear but totally understandable. Now to try and figure out how to connect to multiple nets without connecting them together :-) ____________ Steven Donegan KK6IVC FCC General Class License SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> To: Steven Donegan <steve@donegan.org> Cc: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question #yiv2582968956 #yiv2582968956 --.yiv2582968956ExternalClass #yiv2582968956ecxyiv0421891944 body.yiv2582968956ecxyiv0421891944hmmessage {font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv2582968956 Steve, A hub is just a word we give to a node that has two or more nodes connected to it. Kind of a central connecting place. Other than that is has no real meaning in how things work. A hub could be a computer stashed somewhere with good Internet bandwidth if you intend to connect many other nodes to it. It does not need to have a radio connected to it but if you need to it could. You can be creative in how you connect things but anything that is connected together shares audio in both directions. In the case you mention you are correct in that all of you would hear and be able to talk to each other assuming you were in transceive mode (*3 connect) which is the most usual way. I suppose in the simplest definition of a hub, in your case you are the hub! Think of it as the hub of a wheel with spokes. Each spoke is a connection to another node. It gets more complicated than that though as each node you connect to could also be connected to multiple nodes. There is protection for loops. If you connect to somneone who in turn connects to someone else and that last person tries to connect back to you it will be rejected. I hope that answers your question. 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:06:04 +0000 From: steve@donegan.org To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Basic Allstar repeater question I have a simple (hopefully) question - if I link my node with 2 other nodes does it become a hub between the two or does the traffic from my node go out to the 2 other nodes and the traffic from those individual nodes come back to my node? If this is configurable behavior (to hub or not to hub) please do explain. Thanks ____________ Steven Donegan KK6IVC FCC General Class License SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86 www.sscc.us _______________________________________________App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users@ohnosec.orghttp://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-usersTo unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. 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