the PCI radio cards are still available and for sale.. if interested, contact me off list. JIM WB6NIL Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:38:51 -0800 From: dshaw@ke6upi.com To: steve@michiganbroadband.com CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Sucks Yay! The Sequel! Steve, I think you should design a new PCI card for app-rpt radio world. I use the 4 port PCI card my self. Works great. Have fun designing and bring your new product to the radio market. Oh by the way my other nodes use DMK URI and they work just fine. A link to the 4 port cards. I don't think they are for sale anymore. http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/135 Good luck and God's speed, (Because I want it tomorrow) David On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Steve Gladden <steve@michiganbroadband.com> wrote: My understanding is that you can use *any* digium FXO/FXS (and possibly a less expensive clone) card it will work well and skrew the piece of crap USB interfaces. I further understand/think that it *MUST* be a two port card with both FXO and FXS present is this true? Or can you somehow get away with a single port FXO or FXS card? Single port cards are cost comparative to a ready made DRI USB which is --->>>>>*NOT*<<<<<--- production remote repeater site quality/capable and good only for testing experimenting etc. Even if such a card is TWICE the price of a DMK URI.. This is the way to go for a production system.. Which is *ALL* that I would ever run at a site.. And home I'll still maybe d*** around with USB interfaces which truly suck with app_rpt in ALL of my testing I've done in 3 years. Am I clear in this understanding? Any suggestions on cards/Interfaces that work well? Any that don't?? stick with Digium? I should have asked this bundle of questions 2 years ago *sigh* I realize newer boards will not have PCI slots.. "USB sucks + is unrealiable" -->as I have been assured both through my own testing and the developers of app_rpt. If you tell me you have a perfectly working sytem I'll have you do *my test* sit & listen locally at the system to the TX on continuously with PL encode and you *will* hear the audio pops & interruptions in the trasnmitted audio that I am confident are present in ALL usb installed systems :-).. but has been proven liveable for most. If you absolutely have to go with USB for whatever reason beagleboard etc.. small low power controller then it's time for a different controller if you require production/site performance & reliability. Michigan Broadband Systems Connecting Your Business! +1 734.527.7150 Direct +1 248.327.4389 Fax steve@michiganbroadband.com www.michiganbroadband.com From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Bradley Haney [kc9gqr@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:24 PM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 20 I thought i would get the server set up and then get the USB to radio interface.. what is the best and cheap one to buy. I don't want to roll my own as if everything works out well we will move the unit to the repeater site in the Spring. But for now i was going to put it on a simplex node. I just didn't want to buy the adapter then stuck with it with no way to configure the server.. for the time being i will hook it to the ft2600 yaesu .. any thoughts on usb to radio interface? 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Message-ID: <A4EDABEE3C824FBEB8F9CDFAE083E47C@DougLaptop2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ....in my 'Registration Failure' question. Thank you.....situation has been resolved due to a combination of your inputs. Help much appreciated, Regards, Doug - MM0BJA ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users End of App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 20 ********************************************* _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

I have to echo Doug on the sound FOB issue. I have several systems up and running with both fobs and DMK devices have had no issues with drop outs. Now all use the same PC hardware, HP D510SFF PCs and the Compaq model under the EVO D510 label in our installations.(mainly cause they were cheap and free.) Both have no issues with motor boating or drops outs both work good last long time. Maybe you have hardware (PC) issues but to say the FOBs or DMK USB devices have issues, is bunk. Just my 2 cents -- Thanks in Advance Bob Brown, WØNQX Kansas City Metro Area http://sm0kenet.net http://byrg.net http://kcdstar.byrg.net http://w0nqx.blogspot.com Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Its not how many watts you have, its the SIZE of your watts that matter! -- Johnny Marshall, W0JM-SK -- On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Doug Bade <kd8b@thebades.net> wrote:

I would have to say that the issue discussed with USB drops/pops/clicks is NOT an issue that ”has to be”… I use USB sound interfaces (CM108) for my D-Star repeater(s) running dstarrepeatercontroller software. One of my system production tests is to generate a dtmf character from my dstar portable and listen to the recovered dtmf on the far end. If you are familiar with AMBE and dtmf ** **

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*From:* app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Gladden *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:05 AM *To:* app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org *Subject:* [App_rpt-users] USB Sucks Yay! The Sequel!****

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My understanding is that you can use *any* digium FXO/FXS (and possibly a less expensive clone) card it will work well and skrew the piece of crap USB interfaces. I further understand/think that it *MUST* be a two port card with both FXO and FXS present is this true? Or can you somehow get away with a single port FXO or FXS card?****

Single port cards are cost comparative to a ready made DRI USB which is --->>>>>*NOT*<<<<<--- production remote repeater site quality/capable and good only for testing experimenting etc. Even if such a card is TWICE the price of a DMK URI.. This is the way to go for a production system.. Which is *ALL* that I would ever run at a site.. And home I'll still maybe d*** around with USB interfaces which truly suck with app_rpt in ALL of my testing I've done in 3 years.

Am I clear in this understanding?****

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Any suggestions on cards/Interfaces that work well?****

Any that don't?? stick with Digium?

I should have asked this bundle of questions 2 years ago *sigh*****

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I realize newer boards will not have PCI slots.. "USB sucks + is unrealiable"****

-->as I have been assured both through my own testing and the developers of app_rpt.****

If you tell me you have a perfectly working sytem I'll have you do *my test* sit & listen locally at the system to the TX on continuously with PL encode and you *will* hear the audio pops & interruptions in the trasnmitted audio that I am confident are present in ALL usb installed systems :-).. but has been proven liveable for most.****

If you absolutely have to go with USB for whatever reason beagleboard etc.. small low power controller then it's time for a different controller if you require production/site performance & reliability.****

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*From:* app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [ app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Bradley Haney [ kc9gqr@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:24 PM *To:* app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 20****

I thought i would get the server set up and then get the USB to radio interface.. what is the best and cheap one to buy. I don't want to roll my own as if everything works out well we will move the unit to the repeater site in the Spring. But for now i was going to put it on a simplex node. I just didn't want to buy the adapter then stuck with it with no way to configure the server.. for the time being i will hook it to the ft2600 yaesu ..****

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any thoughts on usb to radio interface?****

Yeah, USB sucks. But, then, a little perspective.... At the base case, what are our expectations? Full 5.1 surround sound, broadcast quality? For a communications-channel radio? Don't think so. It's a waste. I'm thinking that, and this is based on my experience only, so, if yours is different, you'll have a different take on it... The URI does what it does well. It's a $79.00 USD audio-to-USB adapter. It is unique in what it does. And it does it a LOT better than anything else I've found out there at that price point. For $79.00, an old computer, and some time, you get a full feature, internet-connectable, network-able, totally configurable radio controller with more features than you'll ever use. Try doing that with an SCOM or Arcom hardware solution for the same price. For instance...broadcasters are using, solely as backups in most cases, audio to IP encoder/decoder sets from a company called Barix. It takes an audio stream, turns it into IP packets, and broadcasts it out. Guess what? Costs around $450 for the encoder (with wall wart) and $250 for the decoder (ditto). 50-15K stereo with a 100MB RJ45 on the back to plug into the network. That's all it does. No useable DSP to derive control signals, no hardware controls, no user-programmable I/O. Audio in...IP out...IP in...audio out. Now, on the other side, you have the Universal Serial Bus. Not the Universal Audio Bus. It's a one-size fits-all solution. You can plug in a URI, Logitek Webcam, HP Printer, your keyboard, mouse, and a missle launcher toy from GeekToys, and they'll all be recognized, and if you have the app to drive it...will all coexist and work off the same bus. That it's not optimized for any one protocol means that it works (sometimes poorly) for all of them. It's one of the biggest compromise technologies in the PC world. So, do you get the occasional pop or crackle or ? Sure. Is it the URI's fault or the back end itself? And if it is the back end (which it is more often than not...), what is the cost, in folding green (or whatever the prevalent color of your local currency is) to make the next step UP in quality for what is, at the transmission point, a bandwidth-limited, distance limited, purpose-limited communications system? The human mind can work with degraded video transmission frame rates because the visual engine, so to speak, can fill in the transition between receipt of one image (persistence of vision) to the next. Not so with audio; our hearing is based on linear (in terms of time slices) response and except for the occasional case of your ears ringing, has to hear a continuous stream in order to made sense of the entire communication. That's why we can watch a 15FPS video and still think it's something (which is 50% of the normal US frame video frame rate and 9 FPS less than movie projection) but, if you interrupt an audio stream for 50% of the time...it's unintelligible. So...is the delta to get to what you consider a perfect system worth it? If you have the funds, the processing power, and want that broadcast quality (you ought to listen sometimes to the 160 band and all the old pharts running cast-off broadcast transmitters...AM..) 99.9999% reliability? Go for it. But that does not mean that the technology is useless; in fact, for both price and ability to implement, it may well be more economical and efficient to accept the occasional pop and whistle if the cost and ease of implementation warrants it. </soapbox> -- Bryan In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me. Sent from my MacBook Pro.