I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? -- Enviado desde EA8EE red movil
IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP. 73, Allstar Admin http://lists.allstarlink.org On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote:
I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? -- Enviado desde EA8EE red movil
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I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió:
IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP.
73, Allstar Admin http://lists.allstarlink.org
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The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful. Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió: IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP. 73,Allstar Adminhttp://lists.allstarlink.org On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it?-- Enviado desde EA8EE red movil _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. -- Enviado desde EA8EE red movil _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution.. Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Phone:618-553-0806 Fax: 1-618-551-2755 Email: lorentedford@gmail.com Email: KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com http://www.lorentedford.com http://www.kc9zhv.com http://forum.kc9zhv.com http://hub.kc9zhv.com http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/> http://voipham.com On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> wrote:
The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful.
Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us
On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote:
I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp
El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió:
IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP.
73, Allstar Admin http://lists.allstarlink.org
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote:
I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? -- Enviado desde EA8EE red movil
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Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy@brannan.name
On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote:
I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution..
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On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> wrote: The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful.
Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us
On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote:
I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp
El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió: IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP.
73, Allstar Admin http://lists.allstarlink.org
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? -- Enviado desde EA8EE red movil
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There are several views here and you can find most of this in the archives. I believe the issue is the IRLP network doesn’t want computer users and/or phones on the network like Echolink/Allstar. They want actual radios on both ends of a conversation. That is ok – their network, their rules. So, to date the work arounds have been: 1) Dave Cameron is ok with connecting Allstar to a joint EchoIRLP reflector (that does Echolink and IRLP) because you as a user choose to connect to that reflector. Many of the Great Lakes Reflectors are designed with Allstar, Echolink and IRLP. It doesn’t work perfectly always. 2) You can use an EXP IRLP node number, again because endusers have to enable it on the IRLP network giving them the choice to connect to these or not. In both examples the IRLP user must CONNECT to the system. Reflectors and EXP Nodes are not able to make outbound calls. I too would LOVE to see an approval for IRLP added back in to Allstar, but it needs to somehow be secure to keep telephones, cellphone apps, IAX clients, Java clients, and non-radio users from not connecting when IRLP is active. As has been shown on EchoIRLP Dave Cameron is fine with connections to IRLP as long as they adhere to the rules. The previous issue as I understand it is that Allstar users were connecting phones and other methods to IRLP – that is against those network rules. Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected. I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver. We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active You can see more about this on my astEchoIRLP project, that actually did solve this using the EchoIRLP design by Tony VK3JED about 3 years ago. I realize this is the other way around. Certainly would love to see our ham community work this out, but we need to solve the reason IRLP doesn’t want Allstar nodes connected and then we “may” be able to work it all out. My $0.02, Mike Kb8zgl On 2/4/17, 10:28 AM, "App_rpt-users on behalf of Buddy Brannan" <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org on behalf of buddy@brannan.name> wrote: Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy@brannan.name > On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote: > > I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution.. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 > Email: lorentedford@gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> wrote: > The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful. > > Steven Donegan > KK6IVC General Class FCC License > FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License > Silver State Car #86 > www.sscc.us > > > On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp > > El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió: > IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP. > > > 73, > Allstar Admin > http://lists.allstarlink.org > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? > -- > Enviado desde EA8EE red movil > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Has anyone actually asked him about his present thoughts? My guess is no. He has allowed specific exceptions I believe. Perhaps he might reconsider. Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us On Saturday, February 4, 2017 7:39 AM, Michael J. Wolthuis <wolthuis@gmail.com> wrote: There are several views here and you can find most of this in the archives. I believe the issue is the IRLP network doesn’t want computer users and/or phones on the network like Echolink/Allstar. They want actual radios on both ends of a conversation. That is ok – their network, their rules. So, to date the work arounds have been: 1) Dave Cameron is ok with connecting Allstar to a joint EchoIRLP reflector (that does Echolink and IRLP) because you as a user choose to connect to that reflector. Many of the Great Lakes Reflectors are designed with Allstar, Echolink and IRLP. It doesn’t work perfectly always. 2) You can use an EXP IRLP node number, again because endusers have to enable it on the IRLP network giving them the choice to connect to these or not. In both examples the IRLP user must CONNECT to the system. Reflectors and EXP Nodes are not able to make outbound calls. I too would LOVE to see an approval for IRLP added back in to Allstar, but it needs to somehow be secure to keep telephones, cellphone apps, IAX clients, Java clients, and non-radio users from not connecting when IRLP is active. As has been shown on EchoIRLP Dave Cameron is fine with connections to IRLP as long as they adhere to the rules. The previous issue as I understand it is that Allstar users were connecting phones and other methods to IRLP – that is against those network rules. Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected. I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver. We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active You can see more about this on my astEchoIRLP project, that actually did solve this using the EchoIRLP design by Tony VK3JED about 3 years ago. I realize this is the other way around. Certainly would love to see our ham community work this out, but we need to solve the reason IRLP doesn’t want Allstar nodes connected and then we “may” be able to work it all out. My $0.02, Mike Kb8zgl On 2/4/17, 10:28 AM, "App_rpt-users on behalf of Buddy Brannan" <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org on behalf of buddy@brannan.name> wrote: Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy@brannan.name > On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote: > > I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution.. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 > Email: lorentedford@gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> wrote: > The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful. > > Steven Donegan > KK6IVC General Class FCC License > FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License > Silver State Car #86 > www.sscc.us > > > On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp > > El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió: > IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP. > > > 73, > Allstar Admin > http://lists.allstarlink.org > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? > -- > Enviado desde EA8EE red movil > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Steven, I have not recently. In the past, about a year ago, what I wrote below was the lay of the land. It would be great if someone had the ability to bridge the gap. I’m not sure who from the Allstar team may have a great connection, but if we all email that would be bad. Mike Kb8zgl From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Date: Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 10:45 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] experimental reflector irlp Has anyone actually asked him about his present thoughts? My guess is no. He has allowed specific exceptions I believe. Perhaps he might reconsider. Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us On Saturday, February 4, 2017 7:39 AM, Michael J. Wolthuis <wolthuis@gmail.com> wrote: There are several views here and you can find most of this in the archives. I believe the issue is the IRLP network doesn’t want computer users and/or phones on the network like Echolink/Allstar. They want actual radios on both ends of a conversation. That is ok – their network, their rules. So, to date the work arounds have been: 1) Dave Cameron is ok with connecting Allstar to a joint EchoIRLP reflector (that does Echolink and IRLP) because you as a user choose to connect to that reflector. Many of the Great Lakes Reflectors are designed with Allstar, Echolink and IRLP. It doesn’t work perfectly always. 2) You can use an EXP IRLP node number, again because endusers have to enable it on the IRLP network giving them the choice to connect to these or not. In both examples the IRLP user must CONNECT to the system. Reflectors and EXP Nodes are not able to make outbound calls. I too would LOVE to see an approval for IRLP added back in to Allstar, but it needs to somehow be secure to keep telephones, cellphone apps, IAX clients, Java clients, and non-radio users from not connecting when IRLP is active. As has been shown on EchoIRLP Dave Cameron is fine with connections to IRLP as long as they adhere to the rules. The previous issue as I understand it is that Allstar users were connecting phones and other methods to IRLP – that is against those network rules. Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected. I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver. We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active You can see more about this on my astEchoIRLP project, that actually did solve this using the EchoIRLP design by Tony VK3JED about 3 years ago. I realize this is the other way around. Certainly would love to see our ham community work this out, but we need to solve the reason IRLP doesn’t want Allstar nodes connected and then we “may” be able to work it all out. My $0.02, Mike Kb8zgl On 2/4/17, 10:28 AM, "App_rpt-users on behalf of Buddy Brannan" <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org on behalf of buddy@brannan.name> wrote: Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy@brannan.name > On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote: > > I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution.. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 > Email: lorentedford@gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> wrote: > The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful. > > Steven Donegan > KK6IVC General Class FCC License > FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License > Silver State Car #86 > www.sscc.us > > > On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp > > El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió: > IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP. > > > 73, > Allstar Admin > http://lists.allstarlink.org > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? > -- > Enviado desde EA8EE red movil > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Agreed on the last line :-) And it would be best if a single representative makes the approach. Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us On Saturday, February 4, 2017 7:47 AM, Michael J. 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In the past, about a year ago, what I wrote below was the lay of the land. It would be great if someone had the ability to bridge the gap. I’m not sure who from the Allstar team may have a great connection, but if we all email that would be bad. MikeKb8zgl From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Date: Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 10:45 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] experimental reflector irlp Has anyone actually asked him about his present thoughts? My guess is no. He has allowed specific exceptions I believe. Perhaps he might reconsider. Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us On Saturday, February 4, 2017 7:39 AM, Michael J. Wolthuis <wolthuis@gmail.com> wrote: There are several views here and you can find most of this in the archives. I believe the issue is the IRLP network doesn’t want computer users and/or phones on the network like Echolink/Allstar. They want actual radios on both ends of a conversation. That is ok – their network, their rules. So, to date the work arounds have been: 1) Dave Cameron is ok with connecting Allstar to a joint EchoIRLP reflector (that does Echolink and IRLP) because you as a user choose to connect to that reflector. Many of the Great Lakes Reflectors are designed with Allstar, Echolink and IRLP. It doesn’t work perfectly always. 2) You can use an EXP IRLP node number, again because endusers have to enable it on the IRLP network giving them the choice to connect to these or not. In both examples the IRLP user must CONNECT to the system. Reflectors and EXP Nodes are not able to make outbound calls. I too would LOVE to see an approval for IRLP added back in to Allstar, but it needs to somehow be secure to keep telephones, cellphone apps, IAX clients, Java clients, and non-radio users from not connecting when IRLP is active. As has been shown on EchoIRLP Dave Cameron is fine with connections to IRLP as long as they adhere to the rules. The previous issue as I understand it is that Allstar users were connecting phones and other methods to IRLP – that is against those network rules. Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected. I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver. We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active You can see more about this on my astEchoIRLP project, that actually did solve this using the EchoIRLP design by Tony VK3JED about 3 years ago. I realize this is the other way around. Certainly would love to see our ham community work this out, but we need to solve the reason IRLP doesn’t want Allstar nodes connected and then we “may” be able to work it all out. My $0.02, Mike Kb8zgl On 2/4/17, 10:28 AM, "App_rpt-users on behalf of Buddy Brannan" <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org on behalf of buddy@brannan.name> wrote: Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy@brannan.name > On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote: > > I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution.. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 > Email: lorentedford@gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> wrote: > The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful. > > Steven Donegan > KK6IVC General Class FCC License > FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License > Silver State Car #86 > www.sscc.us > > > On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp > > El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió: > IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP. > > > 73, > Allstar Admin > http://lists.allstarlink.org > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? > -- > Enviado desde EA8EE red movil > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Mr. Cameron made his position quite clear. If you want to run dual technologies then run two servers. Link them back to back at the analog layer. Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org On Feb 4, 2017 7:45 AM, "Steven Donegan" <donegan@donegan.org> wrote:
Has anyone actually asked him about his present thoughts? My guess is no. He has allowed specific exceptions I believe. Perhaps he might reconsider.
Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us
On Saturday, February 4, 2017 7:39 AM, Michael J. Wolthuis < wolthuis@gmail.com> wrote:
There are several views here and you can find most of this in the archives.
I believe the issue is the IRLP network doesn’t want computer users and/or phones on the network like Echolink/Allstar. They want actual radios on both ends of a conversation. That is ok – their network, their rules.
So, to date the work arounds have been: 1) Dave Cameron is ok with connecting Allstar to a joint EchoIRLP reflector (that does Echolink and IRLP) because you as a user choose to connect to that reflector. Many of the Great Lakes Reflectors are designed with Allstar, Echolink and IRLP. It doesn’t work perfectly always. 2) You can use an EXP IRLP node number, again because endusers have to enable it on the IRLP network giving them the choice to connect to these or not. In both examples the IRLP user must CONNECT to the system. Reflectors and EXP Nodes are not able to make outbound calls.
I too would LOVE to see an approval for IRLP added back in to Allstar, but it needs to somehow be secure to keep telephones, cellphone apps, IAX clients, Java clients, and non-radio users from not connecting when IRLP is active. As has been shown on EchoIRLP Dave Cameron is fine with connections to IRLP as long as they adhere to the rules.
The previous issue as I understand it is that Allstar users were connecting phones and other methods to IRLP – that is against those network rules.
Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected.
I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver.
We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active
You can see more about this on my astEchoIRLP project, that actually did solve this using the EchoIRLP design by Tony VK3JED about 3 years ago. I realize this is the other way around.
Certainly would love to see our ham community work this out, but we need to solve the reason IRLP doesn’t want Allstar nodes connected and then we “may” be able to work it all out.
My $0.02, Mike Kb8zgl
On 2/4/17, 10:28 AM, "App_rpt-users on behalf of Buddy Brannan" < app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org on behalf of buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox.
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> On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote: > > I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution.. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 <(618)%20553-0806> > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755> > Email: lorentedford@gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/> > http://voipham.com > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> wrote: > The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful. > > Steven Donegan > KK6IVC General Class FCC License > FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License > Silver State Car #86 > www.sscc.us > > > On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp > > El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin < allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió: > IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP. > > > 73, > Allstar Admin > http://lists.allstarlink.org > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? > -- > Enviado desde EA8EE red movil > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
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Well there Mr. N6GKL here’s the low down on that one: . I have that exact config here and last year, after running it for just a week or two, complaints landed in Canada and Mr. K6DC sent me a nasty gram, informing me, the lowly unwashed, to see the light, walk the walk, and get back in line. If I failed to keep up from thirst or fatigue, or disobedience, then I would simply be shot in the head, and left for dead on the Great Trail through Canada to the frozen North. The complaints came from some self appointed Sheriffs, if you insist I would be happy to list the callsigns, but since you refer to David Cameron as “MR.” I suspect that you already know who the players are.
On Feb 4, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N6GKJ Land <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Cameron made his position quite clear.
If you want to run dual technologies then run two servers. Link them back to back at the analog layer.
Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org <http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org/>
Please take this off the list. It is not supported. Discussion over. Corey. N3FE Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:28 AM, KM6HK <km6hk@icloud.com> wrote:
Well there Mr. N6GKL here’s the low down on that one: . I have that exact config here and last year, after running it for just a week or two, complaints landed in Canada and Mr. K6DC sent me a nasty gram, informing me, the lowly unwashed, to see the light, walk the walk, and get back in line. If I failed to keep up from thirst or fatigue, or disobedience, then I would simply be shot in the head, and left for dead on the Great Trail through Canada to the frozen North. The complaints came from some self appointed Sheriffs, if you insist I would be happy to list the callsigns, but since you refer to David Cameron as “MR.” I suspect that you already know who the players are.
On Feb 4, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N6GKJ Land <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Cameron made his position quite clear.
If you want to run dual technologies then run two servers. Link them back to back at the analog layer.
Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org
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If this is the case where we are going to start editing the content that we discuss please join voipham.com I am not afraid to host any of the files or configuration information!! Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Email: lorentedford@gmail.com Phone: Fax: http://www.lorentedford.com http://kc9zhv.com Sent from Droid Turbo from Verizon wireless network On Feb 5, 2017 6:20 AM, "Corey Dean" <n3fe@repeater.net> wrote:
Please take this off the list. It is not supported. Discussion over.
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On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:28 AM, KM6HK <km6hk@icloud.com> wrote:
Well there Mr. N6GKL here’s the low down on that one: . I have that exact config here and last year, after running it for just a week or two, complaints landed in Canada and Mr. K6DC sent me a nasty gram, informing me, the lowly unwashed, to see the light, walk the walk, and get back in line. If I failed to keep up from thirst or fatigue, or disobedience, then I would simply be shot in the head, and left for dead on the Great Trail through Canada to the frozen North. The complaints came from some self appointed Sheriffs, if you insist I would be happy to list the callsigns, but since you refer to David Cameron as “MR.” I suspect that you already know who the players are.
On Feb 4, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N6GKJ Land <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Cameron made his position quite clear.
If you want to run dual technologies then run two servers. Link them back to back at the analog layer.
Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org
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Loren, It is not censoring. Years ago Mr. Cameron TOLD WB6NIL and the developers to remove IRLP. It is a dead issue. It was removed. Stirring the pot or whipping a dead horse is waste space. It is out, over said and done. Wanting to bring up a debate that has no place is fodder to most of us. Let it go. Chuck K0XM On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is the case where we are going to start editing the content that we discuss please join voipham.com I am not afraid to host any of the files or configuration information!! Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Email: lorentedford@gmail.com Phone: Fax: http://www.lorentedford.com http://kc9zhv.com
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On Feb 5, 2017 6:20 AM, "Corey Dean" <n3fe@repeater.net> wrote:
Please take this off the list. It is not supported. Discussion over.
Corey. N3FE Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:28 AM, KM6HK <km6hk@icloud.com> wrote:
Well there Mr. N6GKL here’s the low down on that one: . I have that exact config here and last year, after running it for just a week or two, complaints landed in Canada and Mr. K6DC sent me a nasty gram, informing me, the lowly unwashed, to see the light, walk the walk, and get back in line. If I failed to keep up from thirst or fatigue, or disobedience, then I would simply be shot in the head, and left for dead on the Great Trail through Canada to the frozen North. The complaints came from some self appointed Sheriffs, if you insist I would be happy to list the callsigns, but since you refer to David Cameron as “MR.” I suspect that you already know who the players are.
On Feb 4, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N6GKJ Land <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Cameron made his position quite clear.
If you want to run dual technologies then run two servers. Link them back to back at the analog layer.
Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org
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Chuck it's the fact that we should remain open about everything.. As far as the irlp owners and wishes to me that should be their issue.. irlp runs on asterisk natively and the last time I had a look their was an open source project with irlp.. In my opinion it's a do so at your own risk kinda conversation.. But not pushing forward and keeping the documents clear as a hush hush type thing is not good either.. I understand the irlp mess but when it comes down to modifications and making the stuff work properly this by it self is worth publishing the material... In my mind Irlp is a dead project anytime the owners of a project limit users it becomes a worthless solution.. Basically a waist of time.. Unfortunately we have boomers caught in the crossfire that don't truly understand computers or how the technology works.. Making life easier for these individuals is a great thing regardless of anyone elses thoughts and opinions.. Like I said it's a do so at your own risk type of project.. Maybe one day the irlp guys will realize that they should have been more compatible with other VoIP solutions unfortunately I don't think this will save his company.. Hams are cheap we like to work on things with our hands and modify software to suite our needs.. Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Email: lorentedford@gmail.com Phone: Fax: http://www.lorentedford.com http://kc9zhv.com Sent from Droid Turbo from Verizon wireless network On Feb 5, 2017 7:22 AM, "Chuck Kraly" <ckraly@gmail.com> wrote: Loren, It is not censoring. Years ago Mr. Cameron TOLD WB6NIL and the developers to remove IRLP. It is a dead issue. It was removed. Stirring the pot or whipping a dead horse is waste space. It is out, over said and done. Wanting to bring up a debate that has no place is fodder to most of us. Let it go. Chuck K0XM On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is the case where we are going to start editing the content that we discuss please join voipham.com I am not afraid to host any of the files or configuration information!! Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Email: lorentedford@gmail.com Phone: Fax: http://www.lorentedford.com http://kc9zhv.com
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On Feb 5, 2017 6:20 AM, "Corey Dean" <n3fe@repeater.net> wrote:
Please take this off the list. It is not supported. Discussion over.
Corey. N3FE Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:28 AM, KM6HK <km6hk@icloud.com> wrote:
Well there Mr. N6GKL here’s the low down on that one: . I have that exact config here and last year, after running it for just a week or two, complaints landed in Canada and Mr. K6DC sent me a nasty gram, informing me, the lowly unwashed, to see the light, walk the walk, and get back in line. If I failed to keep up from thirst or fatigue, or disobedience, then I would simply be shot in the head, and left for dead on the Great Trail through Canada to the frozen North. The complaints came from some self appointed Sheriffs, if you insist I would be happy to list the callsigns, but since you refer to David Cameron as “MR.” I suspect that you already know who the players are.
On Feb 4, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N6GKJ Land <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Cameron made his position quite clear.
If you want to run dual technologies then run two servers. Link them back to back at the analog layer.
Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org
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Loren, This is my last comment on this subject and I will let the forum get back to pertinent conversations... It is not about being open, WE are, IRLP and Mr. Cameron is NOT. It has been this way for a number of years, and he will not change. And alot of us do not see that changing anytime in the future. Hence alot of IRLP nodes moving over because of his restrictions. So in many minds, this is dead subject. And one of the reasons why the BYRG nodes (and we have been asked to link) are not in the Central Region Inter-tie. They are IRLP which is their choice, and that os good. But since we run allstar on our analog nodes, we cannto becuase of this rule. So on to bigger and better things...Steve, I have the new rev up and running and will ship back to KC for the 220 system for Bob to install. Looks good. On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote:
Chuck it's the fact that we should remain open about everything.. As far as the irlp owners and wishes to me that should be their issue.. irlp runs on asterisk natively and the last time I had a look their was an open source project with irlp.. In my opinion it's a do so at your own risk kinda conversation.. But not pushing forward and keeping the documents clear as a hush hush type thing is not good either..
I understand the irlp mess but when it comes down to modifications and making the stuff work properly this by it self is worth publishing the material...
In my mind Irlp is a dead project anytime the owners of a project limit users it becomes a worthless solution.. Basically a waist of time.. Unfortunately we have boomers caught in the crossfire that don't truly understand computers or how the technology works.. Making life easier for these individuals is a great thing regardless of anyone elses thoughts and opinions.. Like I said it's a do so at your own risk type of project.. Maybe one day the irlp guys will realize that they should have been more compatible with other VoIP solutions unfortunately I don't think this will save his company.. Hams are cheap we like to work on things with our hands and modify software to suite our needs..
Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Email: lorentedford@gmail.com Phone: Fax: http://www.lorentedford.com http://kc9zhv.com
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On Feb 5, 2017 7:22 AM, "Chuck Kraly" <ckraly@gmail.com> wrote:
Loren, It is not censoring. Years ago Mr. Cameron TOLD WB6NIL and the developers to remove IRLP. It is a dead issue. It was removed. Stirring the pot or whipping a dead horse is waste space. It is out, over said and done. Wanting to bring up a debate that has no place is fodder to most of us. Let it go. Chuck K0XM
On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is the case where we are going to start editing the content that we discuss please join voipham.com I am not afraid to host any of the files or configuration information!! Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Email: lorentedford@gmail.com Phone: Fax: http://www.lorentedford.com http://kc9zhv.com
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On Feb 5, 2017 6:20 AM, "Corey Dean" <n3fe@repeater.net> wrote:
Please take this off the list. It is not supported. Discussion over.
Corey. N3FE Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:28 AM, KM6HK <km6hk@icloud.com> wrote:
Well there Mr. N6GKL here’s the low down on that one: . I have that exact config here and last year, after running it for just a week or two, complaints landed in Canada and Mr. K6DC sent me a nasty gram, informing me, the lowly unwashed, to see the light, walk the walk, and get back in line. If I failed to keep up from thirst or fatigue, or disobedience, then I would simply be shot in the head, and left for dead on the Great Trail through Canada to the frozen North. The complaints came from some self appointed Sheriffs, if you insist I would be happy to list the callsigns, but since you refer to David Cameron as “MR.” I suspect that you already know who the players are.
On Feb 4, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N6GKJ Land <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Cameron made his position quite clear.
If you want to run dual technologies then run two servers. Link them back to back at the analog layer.
Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org
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No one is editing content. Some people feel that it is non-productive. it would be editing or censorship for us to limit either side. Steve On 02/05/2017 08:03 AM, Loren Tedford wrote:
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Please take this off the list. It is not supported. Discussion over.
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That is unfortunate. According to the FCC rules, I can define what is acceptable and what is not. And kick off anyone who does not follow my rules. I fail to see how that can apply to a computer network where the traffic is carried via many routes. Easier to just avoid it all together. (I used the term "Mr." Loosely) Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org On Feb 4, 2017 21:28, "KM6HK" <km6hk@icloud.com> wrote:
Well there Mr. N6GKL here’s the low down on that one: . I have that exact config here and last year, after running it for just a week or two, complaints landed in Canada and Mr. K6DC sent me a nasty gram, informing me, the lowly unwashed, to see the light, walk the walk, and get back in line. If I failed to keep up from thirst or fatigue, or disobedience, then I would simply be shot in the head, and left for dead on the Great Trail through Canada to the frozen North. The complaints came from some self appointed Sheriffs, if you insist I would be happy to list the callsigns, but since you refer to David Cameron as “MR.” I suspect that you already know who the players are.
On Feb 4, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N6GKJ Land <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Cameron made his position quite clear.
If you want to run dual technologies then run two servers. Link them back to back at the analog layer.
Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org
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Simple; you only have control over what directly connects to your AllStar node or comes into it via RF. Anything else is under another system operator's control. Matthew Pitts N8OHU On February 5, 2017 11:01:23 AM EST, N6GKJ Land <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
That is unfortunate.
According to the FCC rules, I can define what is acceptable and what is not. And kick off anyone who does not follow my rules.
I fail to see how that can apply to a computer network where the traffic is carried via many routes.
Easier to just avoid it all together.
(I used the term "Mr." Loosely)
Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org
On Feb 4, 2017 21:28, "KM6HK" <km6hk@icloud.com> wrote:
Well there Mr. N6GKL here’s the low down on that one: . I have that exact config here and last year, after running it for just a week or two, complaints landed in Canada and Mr. K6DC sent me a nasty gram, informing me, the lowly unwashed, to see the light, walk the walk, and get back in line. If I failed to keep up from thirst or fatigue, or disobedience, then I would simply be shot in the head, and left for dead on the Great Trail through Canada to the frozen North. The complaints came from some self appointed Sheriffs, if you insist I would be happy to list the callsigns, but since you refer to David Cameron as “MR.” I suspect that you already know who the players are.
On Feb 4, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N6GKJ Land <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Cameron made his position quite clear.
If you want to run dual technologies then run two servers. Link them back to back at the analog layer.
Ron, N6GKJ http://n6gkj.lodiarc.org
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Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected.
I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver.
We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active
This is a good idea, but what begs the question is why should we have to modify the usage of our systems just to support that? Can't we just be responsible sysops instead and manage it in accordance with their rules? Again, not saying this is a bad solution, but I can also see resistance to it if in fact it was the only way at which point I think a lot of folks including myself would question it altogether. Stephen K1LNX On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Michael J. Wolthuis <wolthuis@gmail.com> wrote:
There are several views here and you can find most of this in the archives.
I believe the issue is the IRLP network doesn’t want computer users and/or phones on the network like Echolink/Allstar. They want actual radios on both ends of a conversation. That is ok – their network, their rules.
So, to date the work arounds have been: 1) Dave Cameron is ok with connecting Allstar to a joint EchoIRLP reflector (that does Echolink and IRLP) because you as a user choose to connect to that reflector. Many of the Great Lakes Reflectors are designed with Allstar, Echolink and IRLP. It doesn’t work perfectly always. 2) You can use an EXP IRLP node number, again because endusers have to enable it on the IRLP network giving them the choice to connect to these or not. In both examples the IRLP user must CONNECT to the system. Reflectors and EXP Nodes are not able to make outbound calls.
I too would LOVE to see an approval for IRLP added back in to Allstar, but it needs to somehow be secure to keep telephones, cellphone apps, IAX clients, Java clients, and non-radio users from not connecting when IRLP is active. As has been shown on EchoIRLP Dave Cameron is fine with connections to IRLP as long as they adhere to the rules.
The previous issue as I understand it is that Allstar users were connecting phones and other methods to IRLP – that is against those network rules.
Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected.
I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver.
We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active
You can see more about this on my astEchoIRLP project, that actually did solve this using the EchoIRLP design by Tony VK3JED about 3 years ago. I realize this is the other way around.
Certainly would love to see our ham community work this out, but we need to solve the reason IRLP doesn’t want Allstar nodes connected and then we “may” be able to work it all out.
My $0.02, Mike Kb8zgl
On 2/4/17, 10:28 AM, "App_rpt-users on behalf of Buddy Brannan" < app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org on behalf of buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox.
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> On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford@gmail.com> wrote: > > I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution.. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 > Email: lorentedford@gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> wrote: > The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful. > > Steven Donegan > KK6IVC General Class FCC License > FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License > Silver State Car #86 > www.sscc.us > > > On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp > > El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin < allstarlinks@gmail.com> escribió: > IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP. > > > 73, > Allstar Admin > http://lists.allstarlink.org > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1@gmail.com> wrote: > I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it? > -- > Enviado desde EA8EE red movil > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. > -- > Enviado desde EA8EE red movil > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
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On 02/04/2017 05:56 PM, Stephen - K1LNX wrote:
Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected.
I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver.
We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active
This is a good idea, but what begs the question is why should we have to modify the usage of our systems just to support that? Can't we just be responsible sysops instead and manage it in accordance with their rules?
Again, not saying this is a bad solution, but I can also see resistance to it if in fact it was the only way at which point I think a lot of folks including myself would question it altogether.
Stephen K1LNX
In general I left IRLP and for that matter EchoLink in the dust a long time ago. One of the things that has been discussed is a generic channel driver that would be able to take external IO and audio and pass them in and out of ASL. The same basic concept we used for DMRGateway and the proposed D-StarGateway. That way, ASL does not need to change, other then moving EchoLink out of ASL. I can see the ABILITY to enable or disable functions of ASL when such a channel driver is activated. Remember, ASL is Open Source and will ALWAYS remain so. Anyone is welcome to build on what is in the GIT repository today or in the future. Pull requests are welcome and encouraged. I strongly recommend people get comfortable with GIT. 73, Steve N4IRS
On 2/4/17 10:28 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox.
Fuck him, it's source code, and code has no politics. If people want to use it they should be free to do so. If he wants to ban users from his network so be it. More users he bans the faster irlp dies. I see the irlp channel driver as being a migration tool. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
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