We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one question. Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
As far as I have known the answer is NO. Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else. Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high. Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out. I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi You can shut the announcements off. But I would suggest getting the audio correct. ...mike/kb8jnm
We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one question.
Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
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The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx oval, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm Sent from iPad
On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:13 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
As far as I have known the answer is NO. Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else. Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high. Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out. I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi
You can shut the announcements off. But I would suggest getting the audio correct.
...mike/kb8jnm
We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one question.
Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
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dont know if this is still up to date.. http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/2011-April/002592.html -----Message d'origine----- From: kk6ecm Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 9:59 AM To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Echolink connection announcement Volume The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx oval, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm Sent from iPad
On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:13 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
As far as I have known the answer is NO. Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else. Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high. Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out. I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi
You can shut the announcements off. But I would suggest getting the audio correct.
...mike/kb8jnm
We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one question.
Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
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You've captured my interest. Our custom recordings are Allison replacements. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Pete M <petem001@hotmail.com> wrote:
dont know if this is still up to date..
http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/2011-April/002592.html
-----Message d'origine----- From: kk6ecm Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 9:59 AM To: mike@midnighteng.com Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Echolink connection announcement Volume
The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx oval, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
Sent from iPad
On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:13 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
As far as I have known the answer is NO. Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else. Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high. Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out. I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi
You can shut the announcements off. But I would suggest getting the audio correct.
...mike/kb8jnm
Don't you think that was a bit disingenuous not to include that info in your original message. If you wanted a work-around for a error you create, state it as such. Don't waste the time of those trying to help you. ...mike/kb8jnm
The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx oval, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
Sent from iPad
On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:13 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:
As far as I have known the answer is NO. Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else. Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high. Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out. I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi
You can shut the announcements off. But I would suggest getting the audio correct.
...mike/kb8jnm
We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one question.
Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
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The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or about 0.3 on the voltage scale. Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf Regards Ken KE2N
I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking at holdofftelem=1 as well as http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/node/126 to see if we can achieve a workable compromise. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm Sent from iPad On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:
The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or about 0.3 on the voltage scale.
Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf
Regards Ken KE2N
So what you are looking for is the announcement level to duck to 50 % when somebody is talking at the same time? But normally full level when nobody is talking? Is that what you mean when you say the repeater is in use? If so, right now DIAL and ACID distros dont do that. What I have done is set telemdefault to2 and holdofftelem=1. Setting Telemdefault to 2 makes the telemetry announce if a command is initially sent from the node as per normal, then after a time of inactivity the telemetry goes quiet so you wont hear any connections if somebody connects. This is good for ongoing nets so that incoming stations joining don't distract conversations. The holdofftelem=1 just holds off any pending announcements its going to make until the transmitting station unkeys. If you are looking for the announcements ducking lower when somebody keys, only the XIPPAR distro suports that. Jon VA3RQ On 1/5/2016 2:26 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking at holdofftelem=1 as well as http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/node/126 to see if we can achieve a workable compromise.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
Sent from iPad
On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:
The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or about 0.3 on the voltage scale.
Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf
Regards Ken KE2N
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Precisely, thanks, and understand that function is not supported. I'm thinking holdofftelem=1 is what I need at the moment. Our net operators want to know who is joining in. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm Sent from iPad
On Jan 5, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Jon Rorke <jrorke@cogeco.ca> wrote:
So what you are looking for is the announcement level to duck to 50 % when somebody is talking at the same time? But normally full level when nobody is talking? Is that what you mean when you say the repeater is in use?
If so, right now DIAL and ACID distros dont do that.
What I have done is set telemdefault to2 and holdofftelem=1.
Setting Telemdefault to 2 makes the telemetry announce if a command is initially sent from the node as per normal, then after a time of inactivity the telemetry goes quiet so you wont hear any connections if somebody connects.
This is good for ongoing nets so that incoming stations joining don't distract conversations.
The holdofftelem=1 just holds off any pending announcements its going to make until the transmitting station unkeys.
If you are looking for the announcements ducking lower when somebody keys, only the XIPPAR distro suports that.
Jon VA3RQ
On 1/5/2016 2:26 PM, kk6ecm wrote: I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking at holdofftelem=1 as well as http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/node/126 to see if we can achieve a workable compromise.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
Sent from iPad
On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:
The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or about 0.3 on the voltage scale.
Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf
Regards Ken KE2N
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Well - I expect you have seen where you can reduce all the "Allison" words to whatever volume you want, with a single script command. I do not know what words might somehow be "hard coded" into the program. I would make a list of what announcements are bothering you and try to find those words in this directory: /var/lib/asterisk/sounds or /usr/src/astsrc/sounds/rpt/ and then change a few of them and see if those are what the program uses. I would be surprised if some words are hard-coded and not changeable. For example: connected.gsm disconnected.gsm connection-failed.gsm remote-already-in-this-mode.gsm I note that these words are contained in BOTH of those directories mentioned above. It could be that the system uses words from one directory and the user is supposed to use words from the other directory. One last idea - since the second directory is a source file directory, it may be that you have to restart or even recompile asterisk after changes are made, before they will take effect. There are some references to sounds in the makefile. (The system words may be cached on program startup, so that they do not need to be repeatedly fetched from disk). 73 Ken GL Ken -----Original Message----- From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 2:27 PM To: Ken <ke2n@cs.com> Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Echolink connection announcement Volume I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking at holdofftelem=1 as well as http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/node/126 to see if we can achieve a workable compromise. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm Sent from iPad On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:
The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or about 0.3 on the voltage scale.
Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf
Regards Ken KE2N
I know for a fact we are using the files in /var/lib/asterisk/sounds. My understanding is, /usr/src/ contains the original source files, and not used during operation. To use them, they need to be copied into /var/lib/asterisk/sounds. Thanks, Bob kk6ecm Sent from iPad
On Jan 5, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:
Well - I expect you have seen where you can reduce all the "Allison" words to whatever volume you want, with a single script command.
I do not know what words might somehow be "hard coded" into the program. I would make a list of what announcements are bothering you and try to find those words in this directory:
/var/lib/asterisk/sounds or /usr/src/astsrc/sounds/rpt/
and then change a few of them and see if those are what the program uses. I would be surprised if some words are hard-coded and not changeable.
For example: connected.gsm disconnected.gsm connection-failed.gsm remote-already-in-this-mode.gsm
I note that these words are contained in BOTH of those directories mentioned above. It could be that the system uses words from one directory and the user is supposed to use words from the other directory.
One last idea - since the second directory is a source file directory, it may be that you have to restart or even recompile asterisk after changes are made, before they will take effect. There are some references to sounds in the makefile. (The system words may be cached on program startup, so that they do not need to be repeatedly fetched from disk).
73 Ken
GL Ken
-----Original Message----- From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 2:27 PM To: Ken <ke2n@cs.com> Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Echolink connection announcement Volume
I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking at holdofftelem=1 as well as http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/node/126 to see if we can achieve a workable compromise.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
Sent from iPad
On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:
The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.
Thanks, Bob kk6ecm
Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or about 0.3 on the voltage scale.
Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf
Regards Ken KE2N
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