Two questions for the group: #1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables. [Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372 I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers? #2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio?
From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372 I have the following in my usbradio.conf: [usb42372] hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
Larry can't answer #1. I simply program the radio to provide what I want on the accessory connector, then there is no EEPROM needed. As for answer #2 When you have COS and CTCSS (PL) available use simpleUSB it not only requires less processing power, it also does not suffer from degraded audio. Just add the file and stanza you need.. regards.. Fred On 11/1/15 6:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote:
Two questions for the group:
#1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables.
[Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372
I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers?
#2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf
I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372
I have the following in my usbradio.conf:
[usb42372]
hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
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What degraded audio? I have ran many many test and have yet to find this 'degraded audio'. I have heard people talk about it but have yet seen any proof... Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Fred Moore <fred@fmeco.com> wrote:
Larry can't answer #1. I simply program the radio to provide what I want on the accessory connector, then there is no EEPROM needed.
As for answer #2 When you have COS and CTCSS (PL) available use simpleUSB it not only requires less processing power, it also does not suffer from degraded audio.
Just add the file and stanza you need..
regards.. Fred
On 11/1/15 6:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote: Two questions for the group:
#1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables.
[Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372
I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers?
#2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf
I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372
I have the following in my usbradio.conf:
[usb42372]
hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
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Cory, You might have your hearing checked, you most likely think d-star sounds good also. I never said USBradio was horrible, simply said usbradio audio is superior. It's a subjective thing, most can hear the difference.. obviously you can't or you would not have made such a statement... The only answer to the argument you want.. Fred On 11/1/15 12:54 PM, Corey Dean wrote:
What degraded audio? I have ran many many test and have yet to find this 'degraded audio'. I have heard people talk about it but have yet seen any proof...
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Fred Moore <fred@fmeco.com <mailto:fred@fmeco.com>> wrote:
Larry can't answer #1. I simply program the radio to provide what I want on the accessory connector, then there is no EEPROM needed.
As for answer #2 When you have COS and CTCSS (PL) available use simpleUSB it not only requires less processing power, it also does not suffer from degraded audio.
Just add the file and stanza you need..
regards.. Fred
On 11/1/15 6:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote:
Two questions for the group:
#1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables.
[Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372
I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers?
#2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf
I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372
I have the following in my usbradio.conf:
[usb42372]
hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
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Fred, this list is NOT a place for personally insulting remarks such as that. That type of behavior is not tolerated here. Besides, as far as I am aware, Cory has, and uses, more then his 'ears' to make such determinations. He is one of the people on this list that has good, proper test equipment, and knows how to use it. Jim, WB6NIL To: n3fe@repeater.net From: fred@fmeco.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:56:58 -0500 CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed Cory, You might have your hearing checked, you most likely think d-star sounds good also. I never said USBradio was horrible, simply said usbradio audio is superior. It's a subjective thing, most can hear the difference.. obviously you can't or you would not have made such a statement... The only answer to the argument you want.. Fred On 11/1/15 12:54 PM, Corey Dean wrote: What degraded audio? I have ran many many test and have yet to find this 'degraded audio'. I have heard people talk about it but have yet seen any proof... Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Fred Moore <fred@fmeco.com> wrote: Larry can't answer #1. I simply program the radio to provide what I want on the accessory connector, then there is no EEPROM needed. As for answer #2 When you have COS and CTCSS (PL) available use simpleUSB it not only requires less processing power, it also does not suffer from degraded audio. Just add the file and stanza you need.. regards.. Fred On 11/1/15 6:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote: Two questions for the group: #1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables. [Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372 I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers? #2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports. I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372 I have the following in my usbradio.conf: [usb42372] hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. 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Hi Guys, I agree 100% that personal attacks only start flame wars and don't solve any problems. However, I do agree with Fred. For those who haven't heard the difference between simpleusb and usbradio, I suggest a simple test with a stock USB sound FOB and a computer audio headset and mic combo....Put the USB FOB in full duplex mode and talk to yourself. While I realize this is an unscientific test, the difference between the two channel drivers is immediately obvious and striking! While many hams out there (including myself) do have great -radio- test equipment, most lack the equipment to carefully check audio dynamic range, frequency response and other audio-specific parameters. Incidentally, for comparison purposes, another interesting experiment is to try this same headset test with one of the commercially available analog controllers out there...I've tried that, too, and as expected, the performance is even better, substantially better....But, I digress. If anyone wants to try this and doesn't know how to proceed, I'll post a link to my exact test setup, if interested. Anyhow....Please don't take these comments in a negative way. My -only- intention is to push the state-of-the-art forward. 73, David KB4FXC On Sun, 1 Nov 2015, Jim Duuuude wrote:
Fred, this list is NOT a place for personally insulting remarks such as that. That type of behavior is not tolerated here.
Besides, as far as I am aware, Cory has, and uses, more then his 'ears' to make such determinations. He is one of the people on this list that has good, proper test equipment, and knows how to use it.
Jim, WB6NIL
To: n3fe@repeater.net From: fred@fmeco.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:56:58 -0500 CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed
Cory, You might have your hearing checked, you most likely think d-star sounds good also.
I never said USBradio was horrible, simply said usbradio audio is superior. It's a subjective thing, most can hear the difference.. obviously you can't or you would not have made such a statement...
The only answer to the argument you want.. Fred
On 11/1/15 12:54 PM, Corey Dean wrote:
What degraded audio? I have ran many many test and have yet to find this 'degraded audio'. I have heard people talk about it but have yet seen any proof...
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Fred Moore <fred@fmeco.com> wrote:
Larry can't answer #1.
I simply program the radio to provide what I want on the accessory connector, then there is no EEPROM needed.
As for answer #2
When you have COS and CTCSS (PL) available use simpleUSB it not only requires less processing power, it also does not suffer from degraded audio.
Just add the file and stanza you need..
regards.. Fred
On 11/1/15 6:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote:
Two questions for the group:
#1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables.
[Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372
I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers?
#2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf
I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372
I have the following in my usbradio.conf:
[usb42372]
hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
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I have tested on a ge mastr II and mvp, Motorola m120, maxtracs, and radius models, msf5000, and an r100. The r100 did sound better on simpleusb and it did show on a graph that way as well, but it also wasn't using true discriminator audio. If you align the Audio that way it is supposed to be you will not see a difference. I must say though that I have only used true discriminator audio so if you are testing something else then the findings may be different. Corey N3FE Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:50 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I agree 100% that personal attacks only start flame wars and don't solve any problems.
However, I do agree with Fred. For those who haven't heard the difference between simpleusb and usbradio, I suggest a simple test with a stock USB sound FOB and a computer audio headset and mic combo....Put the USB FOB in full duplex mode and talk to yourself. While I realize this is an unscientific test, the difference between the two channel drivers is immediately obvious and striking!
While many hams out there (including myself) do have great -radio- test equipment, most lack the equipment to carefully check audio dynamic range, frequency response and other audio-specific parameters.
Incidentally, for comparison purposes, another interesting experiment is to try this same headset test with one of the commercially available analog controllers out there...I've tried that, too, and as expected, the performance is even better, substantially better....But, I digress.
If anyone wants to try this and doesn't know how to proceed, I'll post a link to my exact test setup, if interested.
Anyhow....Please don't take these comments in a negative way. My -only- intention is to push the state-of-the-art forward.
73, David KB4FXC
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015, Jim Duuuude wrote:
Fred, this list is NOT a place for personally insulting remarks such as that. That type of behavior is not tolerated here.
Besides, as far as I am aware, Cory has, and uses, more then his 'ears' to make such determinations. He is one of the people on this list that has good, proper test equipment, and knows how to use it.
Jim, WB6NIL
To: n3fe@repeater.net From: fred@fmeco.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:56:58 -0500 CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed
Cory, You might have your hearing checked, you most likely think d-star sounds good also.
I never said USBradio was horrible, simply said usbradio audio is superior. It's a subjective thing, most can hear the difference.. obviously you can't or you would not have made such a statement...
The only answer to the argument you want.. Fred
On 11/1/15 12:54 PM, Corey Dean wrote:
What degraded audio? I have ran many many test and have yet to find this 'degraded audio'. I have heard people talk about it but have yet seen any proof...
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Fred Moore <fred@fmeco.com> wrote:
Larry can't answer #1. I simply program the radio to provide what I want on the accessory connector, then there is no EEPROM needed.
As for answer #2 When you have COS and CTCSS (PL) available use simpleUSB it not only requires less processing power, it also does not suffer from degraded audio.
Just add the file and stanza you need..
regards.. Fred
On 11/1/15 6:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote:
Two questions for the group:
#1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables.
[Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372
I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers?
#2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf
I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372
I have the following in my usbradio.conf:
[usb42372]
hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
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I have received some personals emails and thought it would be better to answer here. Xipar does have a much wider range of audio and yes it does have filters than can be adjusted so I am not using this comparison in the usbradio / simpleusb comparison. Dave... Are you actually calibrating your head set with the service equipment? If not then you don't have a base level to compare against. I still can't find the graphs I had from this or I would post them. The screen went on my test equipment so I can't do anymore testing until I find another screen. Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:50 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I agree 100% that personal attacks only start flame wars and don't solve any problems.
However, I do agree with Fred. For those who haven't heard the difference between simpleusb and usbradio, I suggest a simple test with a stock USB sound FOB and a computer audio headset and mic combo....Put the USB FOB in full duplex mode and talk to yourself. While I realize this is an unscientific test, the difference between the two channel drivers is immediately obvious and striking!
While many hams out there (including myself) do have great -radio- test equipment, most lack the equipment to carefully check audio dynamic range, frequency response and other audio-specific parameters.
Incidentally, for comparison purposes, another interesting experiment is to try this same headset test with one of the commercially available analog controllers out there...I've tried that, too, and as expected, the performance is even better, substantially better....But, I digress.
If anyone wants to try this and doesn't know how to proceed, I'll post a link to my exact test setup, if interested.
Anyhow....Please don't take these comments in a negative way. My -only- intention is to push the state-of-the-art forward.
73, David KB4FXC
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015, Jim Duuuude wrote:
Fred, this list is NOT a place for personally insulting remarks such as that. That type of behavior is not tolerated here.
Besides, as far as I am aware, Cory has, and uses, more then his 'ears' to make such determinations. He is one of the people on this list that has good, proper test equipment, and knows how to use it.
Jim, WB6NIL
To: n3fe@repeater.net From: fred@fmeco.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:56:58 -0500 CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed
Cory, You might have your hearing checked, you most likely think d-star sounds good also.
I never said USBradio was horrible, simply said usbradio audio is superior. It's a subjective thing, most can hear the difference.. obviously you can't or you would not have made such a statement...
The only answer to the argument you want.. Fred
On 11/1/15 12:54 PM, Corey Dean wrote:
What degraded audio? I have ran many many test and have yet to find this 'degraded audio'. I have heard people talk about it but have yet seen any proof...
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On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Fred Moore <fred@fmeco.com> wrote:
Larry can't answer #1. I simply program the radio to provide what I want on the accessory connector, then there is no EEPROM needed.
As for answer #2 When you have COS and CTCSS (PL) available use simpleUSB it not only requires less processing power, it also does not suffer from degraded audio.
Just add the file and stanza you need..
regards.. Fred
On 11/1/15 6:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote:
Two questions for the group:
#1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables.
[Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372
I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers?
#2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf
I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372
I have the following in my usbradio.conf:
[usb42372]
hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
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Please state some facts to show this! I have tested this with audio analyzes and have yet to see what you are talking about. If this is the case then my users can't tell the difference either and I have some users work in the broadcast industry. All I am asking for is proof. Could people just not be setting this up right? I have heard this and just not seen or heard the proof. Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Fred Moore <fred@fmeco.com> wrote:
Cory, You might have your hearing checked, you most likely think d-star sounds good also.
I never said USBradio was horrible, simply said usbradio audio is superior. It's a subjective thing, most can hear the difference.. obviously you can't or you would not have made such a statement...
The only answer to the argument you want.. Fred
On 11/1/15 12:54 PM, Corey Dean wrote: What degraded audio? I have ran many many test and have yet to find this 'degraded audio'. I have heard people talk about it but have yet seen any proof...
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On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Fred Moore <fred@fmeco.com> wrote:
Larry can't answer #1. I simply program the radio to provide what I want on the accessory connector, then there is no EEPROM needed.
As for answer #2 When you have COS and CTCSS (PL) available use simpleUSB it not only requires less processing power, it also does not suffer from degraded audio.
Just add the file and stanza you need..
regards.. Fred
On 11/1/15 6:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote: Two questions for the group:
#1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables.
[Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372
I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers?
#2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf
I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372
I have the following in my usbradio.conf:
[usb42372]
hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
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This is one of those situations where you'll NEVER see any supporting proof that USBradio has inferior audio, because it's a fallacy. You have these people that don't know how to PROPERLY deploy full DSP and then will go on to complain that it's inferior. I challenge anyone to prove that USBradio has any more distortion, any less audio bandwidth, any less dynamic range, or anything else deficient that ISN'T A RESULT of the intent of the software. If you people aren't doing it right, (to the point where YOU hear a difference) don't blame the software. Use good radios and implement the hardware correctly, then you'll hear a difference all right, and it won't be because you used SimpleUSB (or not). And by now I surely hope everyone understands that this judgement is only valid on the local repeat audio, as the transport audio can never be as good, and is a whole other ball of wax. Kevin Custer On 11/1/2015 2:56 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
Cory, You might have your hearing checked, you most likely think d-star sounds good also.
I never said USBradio was horrible, simply said usbradio audio is superior. It's a subjective thing, most can hear the difference.. obviously you can't or you would not have made such a statement...
The only answer to the argument you want.. Fred
On 11/1/15 12:54 PM, Corey Dean wrote:
What degraded audio? I have ran many many test and have yet to find this 'degraded audio'. I have heard people talk about it but have yet seen any proof...
Does the DMK URI ship with a EEPROM installed? I think it's external on the DB25 male connected to the URI. If there. On 11/01/2015 06:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote:
Two questions for the group:
#1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables.
[Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372
I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers?
#2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf
I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372
I have the following in my usbradio.conf:
[usb42372]
hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
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On Nov 1, 2015, at 14:26, Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:
Does the DMK URI ship with a EEPROM installed? I think it's external on the DB25 male connected to the URI. If there.
On 11/01/2015 06:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote: Two questions for the group:
#1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables.
[Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372
I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers?
#2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports.
I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf
I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372
I have the following in my usbradio.conf:
[usb42372]
hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1
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The radio tuning parameters are stored in the EEPROM. Therefore, its probably best to put the EEPROM in the connector with the cable physically connected to the radio, so that you can change URI's, and the tuning parameters move with the radio, not the URI. Yes, there are people that want the EEPROM in the URI, but I really am not sure why. Jim From: bdboyle@bdboyle.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:48:57 -0500 To: szingman@msgstor.com CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed you can order a uri with the memory installed. --BryanSent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message. On Nov 1, 2015, at 14:26, Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote: Does the DMK URI ship with a EEPROM installed? I think it's external on the DB25 male connected to the URI. If there. On 11/01/2015 06:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote: Two questions for the group: #1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables. [Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372 I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers? #2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports. I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372 I have the following in my usbradio.conf: [usb42372] hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1 _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. -- "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about." 1st Law of Logic _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
Is there anything that the URI will do with this EEPROM tuning info that Asterisk cannot do? Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Jim Duuuude <telesistant@hotmail.com> To: Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle@bdboyle.com>; Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed #yiv5434072378 #yiv5434072378 --.yiv5434072378hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv5434072378 body.yiv5434072378hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv5434072378 The radio tuning parameters are stored in the EEPROM. Therefore, its probably best to put the EEPROM in the connector with the cable physically connected to the radio, so that you can change URI's, and the tuning parameters move with the radio, not the URI. Yes, there are people that want the EEPROM in the URI, but I really am not sure why. Jim From: bdboyle@bdboyle.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:48:57 -0500 To: szingman@msgstor.com CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed you can order a uri with the memory installed. --BryanSent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message. On Nov 1, 2015, at 14:26, Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote: Does the DMK URI ship with a EEPROM installed? I think it's external on the DB25 male connected to the URI. If there. On 11/01/2015 06:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote: Two questions for the group: #1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables. [Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372 I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers? #2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports. I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372 I have the following in my usbradio.conf: [usb42372] hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1 _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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No, it's just a convenient way of making things FAR less confusing and difficult to deal with when there is more then 1 URI on a system (the USB stuff leaves a lot to be desired as far as port/device identification, and if you "move stuff around", it can be VERY hard to deal with). Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 19:55:29 +0000 From: donegan@donegan.org To: telesistant@hotmail.com; bdboyle@bdboyle.com; szingman@msgstor.com CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed Is there anything that the URI will do with this EEPROM tuning info that Asterisk cannot do? Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Jim Duuuude <telesistant@hotmail.com> To: Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle@bdboyle.com>; Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed The radio tuning parameters are stored in the EEPROM. Therefore, its probably bestto put the EEPROM in the connector with the cable physically connected to the radio,so that you can change URI's, and the tuning parameters move with the radio, not the URI.Yes, there are people that want the EEPROM in the URI, but I really am not sure why.Jim From: bdboyle@bdboyle.comDate: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:48:57 -0500To: szingman@msgstor.comCC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.orgSubject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installedyou can order a uri with the memory installed. --BryanSent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.On Nov 1, 2015, at 14:26, Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote: Does the DMK URI ship with a EEPROM installed? I think it's external on the DB25 male connected to the URI. If there. On 11/01/2015 06:21 AM, Larry da Ponte wrote: Two questions for the group: #1 I'm seeing this in my /var/log/asterisk - I'm using a DMK URI with EEPROM and a Motorola GM300 with one of Marshall's Motorola Maxtrac, GM300 and M120 16 Pin Radio to URI cables. [Nov 1 11:30:05] NOTICE[6852] chan_usbradio.c: USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed or Checksum BAD on channel usb42372 I understand that the benefit of the DMK URI with EEPROM is that the interface configuration can be stored in the URI as apposed to (where else?) - is this URI EEPROM feature taken advantage of with app_rpt and associated drivers? #2 How do I choose which channel driver to use - simpleusb or USBRadio? From what I've been able to learn through varius wikis and posts on the subject, I would want to use simpleusb because all of the hardware connections for COS and CTCSS are provided so there is no reason to use the DSP features of USBRadio thus simplifying what the driver has to do and perhaps lowering the CPU utilization. I've also read some posts that describe audio degredation in the USBRadio driver but I can't tell you the cause. I expect the right answer here is for me to try out both and experiment - which I will do but would appreciate any wisdome from the group on their experience with these drivers when using the DMK URI and hardware connections for COS/CTCSS. My current configuration below is getting favorable audio reports. I have no simpleusb.conf in my /etc/asterisk I have usbradio.conf and usbradio_tune_usb42372.conf I have the following in my rpt.conf: rxchannel=Radio/usb42372 I have the following in my usbradio.conf: [usb42372] hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=71.9 rxctcssfreqs=71.9 txctcssfreqs=71.9 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=no invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1 _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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On 11/1/15 3:04 PM, Jim Duuuude wrote:
(the USB stuff leaves a lot to be desired as far as port/device identification, and if you "move stuff around", it can be VERY hard to deal with). This, so much this. I had a friend who was ragging on asterisk/allstar sounding like crap, even after it was adjusted proper. I helped him set it up and indeed it was back to sounding like crap the next week.
Turns out his USB adapters were randomly coming up as different nodes when the server would reboot. I put a pciradio card in there and solved it. Can't really say enough good things about those pciradio cards. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net
Actually this is easily fixed. First set up the first node and do all audio cals. Then save the with radio tune save. That also saves the usb slot that URI /Fob is connected to in the tune file for that node. Plug in the second uri and make the second node active. Then setup the the second node and audio cals. Then save the radio tune settings to save the usb slot for that node in the second tune file. Now if you reboot the box it should remember which nodes are on what URI. I have done this with many nodes with multiple nodes and it works all the time. If you dont do this when setting up the nodes the URIs will get jumbled up as its a crap shoot at boot up when the sw will detect the usb devices. Jon VA3RQ On 11/1/2015 6:38 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 11/1/15 3:04 PM, Jim Duuuude wrote:
(the USB stuff leaves a lot to be desired as far as port/device identification, and if you "move stuff around", it can be VERY hard to deal with). This, so much this. I had a friend who was ragging on asterisk/allstar sounding like crap, even after it was adjusted proper. I helped him set it up and indeed it was back to sounding like crap the next week.
Turns out his USB adapters were randomly coming up as different nodes when the server would reboot. I put a pciradio card in there and solved it.
Can't really say enough good things about those pciradio cards.
Yes, this is what we "lovingly" call the "USB shuffle". :-) Jim
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 18:43:04 -0500 From: jrorke@cogeco.ca To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed
Actually this is easily fixed. First set up the first node and do all audio cals. Then save the with radio tune save. That also saves the usb slot that URI /Fob is connected to in the tune file for that node.
Plug in the second uri and make the second node active. Then setup the the second node and audio cals. Then save the radio tune settings to save the usb slot for that node in the second tune file.
Now if you reboot the box it should remember which nodes are on what URI.
I have done this with many nodes with multiple nodes and it works all the time. If you dont do this when setting up the nodes the URIs will get jumbled up as its a crap shoot at boot up when the sw will detect the usb devices.
Jon VA3RQ
On 11/1/2015 6:38 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 11/1/15 3:04 PM, Jim Duuuude wrote:
(the USB stuff leaves a lot to be desired as far as port/device identification, and if you "move stuff around", it can be VERY hard to deal with). This, so much this. I had a friend who was ragging on asterisk/allstar sounding like crap, even after it was adjusted proper. I helped him set it up and indeed it was back to sounding like crap the next week.
Turns out his USB adapters were randomly coming up as different nodes when the server would reboot. I put a pciradio card in there and solved it.
Can't really say enough good things about those pciradio cards.
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On 11/1/15 6:43 PM, REDBUTTON_CTRL wrote:
I have done this with many nodes with multiple nodes and it works all the time. If you dont do this when setting up the nodes the URIs will get jumbled up as its a crap shoot at boot up when the sw will detect the usb devices.
That was not the case with this box. It did indeed randomly choose what device to init first. anyways, eeprom is worth the 10 bux. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net
We should be able to control that with a udev rule. Steve On 11/01/2015 07:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 11/1/15 6:43 PM, REDBUTTON_CTRL wrote:
I have done this with many nodes with multiple nodes and it works all the time. If you dont do this when setting up the nodes the URIs will get jumbled up as its a crap shoot at boot up when the sw will detect the usb devices. That was not the case with this box. It did indeed randomly choose what device to init first.
anyways, eeprom is worth the 10 bux.
-- "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about." 1st Law of Logic
I have 5 USB fobs to play with and I know the udev rule tango - I'll see if there is something that lets you lock it down regardless of order. That is the case with WiFi, serial and Ethernet dongles I have worked with in the past so I see no reason (yet) why USB audio devices would be any different... Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> To: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>; APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed We should be able to control that with a udev rule. Steve On 11/01/2015 07:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 11/1/15 6:43 PM, REDBUTTON_CTRL wrote:
I have done this with many nodes with multiple nodes and it works all the time. If you dont do this when setting up the nodes the URIs will get jumbled up as its a crap shoot at boot up when the sw will detect the usb devices. That was not the case with this box. It did indeed randomly choose what device to init first.
anyways, eeprom is worth the 10 bux.
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Ahh, I see the real problem - there is no unique serial number (or anything else) between URI-X's. So doing the udev.conf thing doesn't look like it will work as there is nothing unique in dmesg to lock it to... Sounds like DMK should put a minimal EEPROM in and assign unique serial numbers - if that is a 10$ upgrade for those with multiple URI's it sounds like a decent deal. I will check my sound fobs next... Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> To: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com>; Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>; APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed I have 5 USB fobs to play with and I know the udev rule tango - I'll see if there is something that lets you lock it down regardless of order. That is the case with WiFi, serial and Ethernet dongles I have worked with in the past so I see no reason (yet) why USB audio devices would be any different... Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> To: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>; APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed We should be able to control that with a udev rule. Steve On 11/01/2015 07:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 11/1/15 6:43 PM, REDBUTTON_CTRL wrote:
I have done this with many nodes with multiple nodes and it works all the time. If you dont do this when setting up the nodes the URIs will get jumbled up as its a crap shoot at boot up when the sw will detect the usb devices. That was not the case with this box. It did indeed randomly choose what device to init first.
anyways, eeprom is worth the 10 bux.
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Again, the reason the EEPROM is not installed by default is that it REALLY should be in the connector, so the parameters are tied to the radio/cable, not the URI (to allow field-replaceability, etc). Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 03:28:52 +0000 From: donegan@donegan.org To: szingman@msgstor.com; Bryan@bryanfields.net; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed Ahh, I see the real problem - there is no unique serial number (or anything else) between URI-X's. So doing the udev.conf thing doesn't look like it will work as there is nothing unique in dmesg to lock it to... Sounds like DMK should put a minimal EEPROM in and assign unique serial numbers - if that is a 10$ upgrade for those with multiple URI's it sounds like a decent deal. I will check my sound fobs next... Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> To: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com>; Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>; APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed I have 5 USB fobs to play with and I know the udev rule tango - I'll see if there is something that lets you lock it down regardless of order. That is the case with WiFi, serial and Ethernet dongles I have worked with in the past so I see no reason (yet) why USB audio devices would be any different... Steven DoneganKK6IVC General Class FCC LicenseSilver State Car #86www.sscc.us From: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> To: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>; APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed We should be able to control that with a udev rule.SteveOn 11/01/2015 07:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:> On 11/1/15 6:43 PM, REDBUTTON_CTRL wrote:>> I have done this with many nodes with multiple nodes and it works all>> the time. If you dont do this when setting up the nodes the URIs will>> get jumbled up as its a crap shoot at boot up when the sw will detect>> the usb devices.> That was not the case with this box. It did indeed randomly choose what> device to init first.>> anyways, eeprom is worth the 10 bux.-- "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about."1st Law of Logic_______________________________________________App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users@ohnosec.orghttp://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-usersTo unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
Since this generated a bunch of discussion I just went ahead and designed and ordered PCB's with Male/Female DB25's and a socket for the 93C46 family of EEPROM.So if someone wants one when they arrive (2-3 weeks) let me know :-) IMHO a lot cleaner than soldering an EEPROM directly inside a DB25 cable shell... Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Jim Duuuude <telesistant@hotmail.com> To: Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org>; Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com>; Bryan Fields <bryan@bryanfields.net>; app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed #yiv1482702664 #yiv1482702664 --.yiv1482702664hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv1482702664 body.yiv1482702664hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv1482702664 Again, the reason the EEPROM is not installed by default is that it REALLY should be in the connector, so the parameters are tied to the radio/cable, not the URI (to allow field-replaceability, etc). Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 03:28:52 +0000 From: donegan@donegan.org To: szingman@msgstor.com; Bryan@bryanfields.net; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed Ahh, I see the real problem - there is no unique serial number (or anything else) between URI-X's. So doing the udev.conf thing doesn't look like it will work as there is nothing unique in dmesg to lock it to... Sounds like DMK should put a minimal EEPROM in and assign unique serial numbers - if that is a 10$ upgrade for those with multiple URI's it sounds like a decent deal. I will check my sound fobs next... Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> To: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com>; Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>; APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed I have 5 USB fobs to play with and I know the udev rule tango - I'll see if there is something that lets you lock it down regardless of order. That is the case with WiFi, serial and Ethernet dongles I have worked with in the past so I see no reason (yet) why USB audio devices would be any different... Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> To: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>; APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed We should be able to control that with a udev rule. Steve On 11/01/2015 07:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 11/1/15 6:43 PM, REDBUTTON_CTRL wrote:
I have done this with many nodes with multiple nodes and it works all the time. If you dont do this when setting up the nodes the URIs will get jumbled up as its a crap shoot at boot up when the sw will detect the usb devices. That was not the case with this box. It did indeed randomly choose what device to init first.
anyways, eeprom is worth the 10 bux.
-- "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about." 1st Law of Logic _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. _______________________________________________App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users@ohnosec.orghttp://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-usersTo unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
Thanks for kicking this around today - I'm sincerely sorry about my post suggesting any one of these technologies was creating poor audio - I completely understand that any of these combinations, configured less than optimally could result in poor audio. I'll do my own testing and come to my own conclusions based on observation. Knowing that many use both drivers with success tells me that I should expect to achieve the same with some tuning. As far as my origional questions- I consider them all answered. My first question about the EEPROM error is being addressed by DMK now who is helping me troubleshoot so I'm good there. My setup is very simple at the moment - one USB interface, one radio, one computer. I spent some time in the Asterisk manual today and the more I read, the more excited I become as I see what is possible with this very open platform. 73 HB9EYQ Larry On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> wrote:
Since this generated a bunch of discussion I just went ahead and designed and ordered PCB's with Male/Female DB25's and a socket for the 93C46 family of EEPROM.So if someone wants one when they arrive (2-3 weeks) let me know :-) IMHO a lot cleaner than soldering an EEPROM directly inside a DB25 cable shell...
Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us
------------------------------ *From:* Jim Duuuude <telesistant@hotmail.com> *To:* Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org>; Steve Zingman < szingman@msgstor.com>; Bryan Fields <bryan@bryanfields.net>; app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> *Sent:* Sunday, November 1, 2015 8:52 PM *Subject:* RE: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed
Again, the reason the EEPROM is not installed by default is that it REALLY should be in the connector, so the parameters are tied to the radio/cable, not the URI (to allow field-replaceability, etc).
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 03:28:52 +0000 From: donegan@donegan.org To: szingman@msgstor.com; Bryan@bryanfields.net; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed
Ahh, I see the real problem - there is no unique serial number (or anything else) between URI-X's. So doing the udev.conf thing doesn't look like it will work as there is nothing unique in dmesg to lock it to...
Sounds like DMK should put a minimal EEPROM in and assign unique serial numbers - if that is a 10$ upgrade for those with multiple URI's it sounds like a decent deal.
I will check my sound fobs next...
Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us
------------------------------ *From:* Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org> *To:* Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com>; Bryan Fields < Bryan@bryanfields.net>; APP RPT <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> *Sent:* Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:08 PM *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed
I have 5 USB fobs to play with and I know the udev rule tango - I'll see if there is something that lets you lock it down regardless of order. That is the case with WiFi, serial and Ethernet dongles I have worked with in the past so I see no reason (yet) why USB audio devices would be any different...
Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us
------------------------------ *From:* Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> *To:* Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>; APP RPT < app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> *Sent:* Sunday, November 1, 2015 4:59 PM *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Adapter has no EEPROM installed
We should be able to control that with a udev rule.
Steve
On 11/01/2015 07:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 11/1/15 6:43 PM, REDBUTTON_CTRL wrote:
I have done this with many nodes with multiple nodes and it works all the time. If you dont do this when setting up the nodes the URIs will get jumbled up as its a crap shoot at boot up when the sw will detect the usb devices. That was not the case with this box. It did indeed randomly choose what device to init first.
anyways, eeprom is worth the 10 bux.
-- "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about." 1st Law of Logic
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Bryan D. Boyle -
Bryan Fields -
Corey Dean -
David McGough -
Fred Moore -
Jim Duuuude -
Kevin Custer -
Larry da Ponte -
REDBUTTON_CTRL -
Steve Zingman -
Steven Donegan