Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I'm pretty sure that I am not an FRC member, though not certain..as I have not had any form of "Minutes of meetings" in ages -if ever. I had thought that the unusually slow processing speed was a "due diligence" effect , and a nuisance at best ..however I have heard of "Paper Repeaters" existing and even a story of certain frequencies/pairs being held from general use only to be "sold" to some well healed or politically influential entities. How any of the above -if true- equates to the proper management of frequency assets worries me , and throws the otherwise best practices book into the Chipper. If your efforts would include an immediate sweep for DEAD WOOD and Paper machines ...count me in. If it was truly the best the current FRC could do, God bless them for the effort , but If stories of malice are true ..an intervention is clearly needed. However , I can't help thinking that previous performance of the FRC and the attrition of Hams capable of ginning up a repeater .,constitute a rapidly approaching drain. In my travels over the last few years , I have heard a shocking ebb in repeater activity ,and even the once friendly VHF Spx 146.52 is near desolate of travel companions. I fear that HAMS willing to put up with the "WE SAY SO Company " ethic of the recent FRC...are likely to believe a new FRC would be just rearranging the deck chairs on the "S.S. Minnow" . Yours, Dave Fragale KA4CNP 444.4/449.4 192.8 Seminole In a message dated 10/2/2016 10:23:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Bryan@bryanfields.net writes: Greetings and welcome to the Florida Repeater Discussion List, I am Bryan Fields, W9CR. I’m involved in amateur radio in the Tampa Bay area, with membership in four local clubs and chairman of the Technical Committee for my local group. Professionally I am a Network Architect with a major telecom company. I’ ve been a licensed amateur since 1995 (over 2/3 of my life), hold a GROL+Radar and have a background in cellular/microwave networks. Fellow Amateurs, the FRC is an organization run amuck. Incompetent directors are managing it, flouting the bylaws, violating Florida Law, and ignoring member needs. I am asking for your proxy for the upcoming FRC meeting. It has failed in its ability to coordinate operations of amateur radio repeaters in the following ways: * <!--[if !supportLists]-->Publication of the FRC database on a public website * This database dump in MySQL format and the associated webpages show without a doubt the level of incompetency in the programming behind the database. This is nothing but gross negligence on the part of Director Rodakis and Director Lavender. * Per the coordination policy, locations are to be kept secret, however a Reddit user was kind enough to post a Google earth KML showing the coordinated location of every repeater in the state. * All your personal data, phone, email, home address, repeater site address and Repeater Site GPS coordinates are published. * Length of the coordination process is unacceptable! * As of this writing coordination applications post 1/25/2016 have not been processed. It’s October! * If the coordinator cannot process applications in a reasonable time, he needs to step down. * Renewals have not been processed post 5/7/2016! As most coordinations expire on 9/30/2016, this means no members may vote under the bylaws! This applies to the board as well. * <!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]-->Violation of the coordination policy by the directors * Willful violation of the bylaws by the directors * Willful violations of FS 617 regarding members request for information * Acknowledged receipt of this by President Kassis * Publicly stating the policy of the FRC is “is unable to search for available frequencies”, when this is the FCC definition of a frequency coordinator. * When they do suggest frequencies there active repeaters on them, some even coordinated well under the radius. * Inventing new coordination polices on the fly without approval of the board The FRC must be reformed if it wishes to keep its legitimacy. Frequency coordination is voluntary in amateur radio, and there is little reason for amateur radio operators in Florida to seek coordination from the FRC under this current administration. My goal is to transform this organization into a healthy helping hand for repeater operators and other amateur spectrum users. No one should be answered with contempt for months after putting an application in for coordination only to be told “fill it out again, we can’t edit it”. This should not be an organization which exists as a good-ol’-boy system breading contempt; rather one which operates in the open, in accordance with its bylaws, and accountable to its members. The FRC should ask how to say “Yes” rather than saying “No” in working with their members and other amateurs. My plan to get us on the right track is: * <!--[endif]-->Remove the current directors for gross incompetency and exposing the organization to liability: * Ray Kassis, N4LEM * Dana Rodakis, K4LK * (Glenn) Mike Fletcher, NI4M * Chuck Lavender, W4CLL * Demand new elections for existing directors in compliance with the bylaws. * Establish a bylaw committee to rewrite the bylaws and change the organization structure to better serve all amateurs in Florida. * Establish a development process for new policies from the membership * Encourage input from the membership based on sound technical policies * De-centralize coordination by having a web enabled database be accessible to the public showing all history of an application through coordination. * No one person should be the gatekeeper of the database. * Make all records of the FRC open to the public, as any non-profit serving the public interest must be. I will make a motion to accomplish this at the next meeting at the Melbourne Hamfest meeting. To make this happen, I am asking for your proxy, if you’re a member of the FRC. You will need to print out this form and sign it, then send a scan or legible picture of it to me via email or text message. If you can attend the meeting, please do so. It’s $10 to become a member on the FRC website and it buys the right to have a say in the future of amateur radio in Florida. http://florida-repeaters.org/donate.htm I fully expect to be shouted down by the board, but as members we cannot be ignored. I wish to resolve this via the membership, but if ignored I do intend to comply the board, by any legal means, to follow the bylaws and FS 617. I need your proxy by the Friday, October 7, 2016. 73’s and see you at Melbourne, Bryan Fields, W9CR P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions. _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info
Seems to me that there is a FRC meeting 3 times a year, at the Tampa Hamfest, the Orlando Hamfest, and the Melbourne Hamfest (this weekend). Minutes are sent out to members via email. All are invited to attend the meetings, members or not. The FRC site is at http://florida-repeaters.org/ - which used to have the entire database available for perusal and download – not sure what this current notice is all about. But the point is – I have been a Ham here since 1975 – I don’t know of any problem with the FRC – I notice those that do right now, are new guys with non-florida call signs. I would be hesitant to throw in with a group of carpet baggers unless there was some real reason that it was necessary. A few complaints and accusations is not enough for a coup. The Amateur service has not completely degenerated into CB yet. Although I can understand that the new guys don’t know of any difference on the air, I think if you are serious - show up at the Melbourne hamfest FRC meeting and make your complaints known and addressed. I don’t have a dog in this fight, don’t have a repeater, don’t want one, but, damn, if I see one more ‘2’, or ‘KA’ call screaming for revolution….. I would at least like to hear how YOU would run the coordination activity in any improved fashion first. (and saying you have been a ham since .. so and so, no-code era, doesn’t cut any fat off your arguments – best leave that one out). W4RP From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of DWFComm@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 11:53 PM To: frc-info@lists.keekles.org Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I'm pretty sure that I am not an FRC member, though not certain..as I have not had any form of "Minutes of meetings" in ages -if ever. I had thought that the unusually slow processing speed was a "due diligence" effect , and a nuisance at best ..however I have heard of "Paper Repeaters" existing and even a story of certain frequencies/pairs being held from general use only to be "sold" to some well healed or politically influential entities. How any of the above -if true- equates to the proper management of frequency assets worries me , and throws the otherwise best practices book into the Chipper. If your efforts would include an immediate sweep for DEAD WOOD and Paper machines ...count me in. If it was truly the best the current FRC could do, God bless them for the effort , but If stories of malice are true ..an intervention is clearly needed. However , I can't help thinking that previous performance of the FRC and the attrition of Hams capable of ginning up a repeater .,constitute a rapidly approaching drain. In my travels over the last few years , I have heard a shocking ebb in repeater activity ,and even the once friendly VHF Spx 146.52 is near desolate of travel companions. I fear that HAMS willing to put up with the "WE SAY SO Company " ethic of the recent FRC...are likely to believe a new FRC would be just rearranging the deck chairs on the "S.S. Minnow" . Yours, Dave Fragale KA4CNP 444.4/449.4 192.8 Seminole In a message dated 10/2/2016 10:23:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net> Bryan@bryanfields.net writes: Greetings and welcome to the Florida Repeater Discussion List, I am Bryan Fields, W9CR. I’m involved in amateur radio in the Tampa Bay area, with membership in four local clubs and chairman of the Technical Committee for my local group. Professionally I am a Network Architect with a major telecom company. I’ve been a licensed amateur since 1995 (over 2/3 of my life), hold a GROL+Radar and have a background in cellular/microwave networks. Fellow Amateurs, the FRC is an organization run amuck. Incompetent directors are managing it, flouting the bylaws, violating Florida Law, and ignoring member needs. I am asking for your proxy for the upcoming FRC meeting. It has failed in its ability to coordinate operations of amateur radio repeaters in the following ways: * <!--[if !supportLists]-->Publication of the FRC database on a public website * This database dump in MySQL format and the associated webpages show without a doubt the level of incompetency in the programming behind the database. This is nothing but gross negligence on the part of Director Rodakis and Director Lavender. * Per the coordination policy, locations are to be kept secret, however a Reddit user was kind enough to post a Google earth KML showing the coordinated location of every repeater in the state. * All your personal data, phone, email, home address, repeater site address and Repeater Site GPS coordinates are published. * Length of the coordination process is unacceptable! * As of this writing coordination applications post 1/25/2016 have not been processed. It’s October! * If the coordinator cannot process applications in a reasonable time, he needs to step down. * Renewals have not been processed post 5/7/2016! As most coordinations expire on 9/30/2016, this means no members may vote under the bylaws! This applies to the board as well. * <!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]-->Violation of the coordination policy by the directors * Willful violation of the bylaws by the directors * Willful violations of FS 617 regarding members request for information * Acknowledged receipt of this by President Kassis * Publicly stating the policy of the FRC is “is unable to search for available frequencies”, when this is the FCC definition of a frequency coordinator. * When they do suggest frequencies there active repeaters on them, some even coordinated well under the radius. * Inventing new coordination polices on the fly without approval of the board The FRC must be reformed if it wishes to keep its legitimacy. Frequency coordination is voluntary in amateur radio, and there is little reason for amateur radio operators in Florida to seek coordination from the FRC under this current administration. My goal is to transform this organization into a healthy helping hand for repeater operators and other amateur spectrum users. No one should be answered with contempt for months after putting an application in for coordination only to be told “fill it out again, we can’t edit it”. This should not be an organization which exists as a good-ol’-boy system breading contempt; rather one which operates in the open, in accordance with its bylaws, and accountable to its members. The FRC should ask how to say “Yes” rather than saying “No” in working with their members and other amateurs. ** **** ** *** ** ** *** ***** ***** *** * <!--[endif]-->Remove the current directors for gross incompetency and exposing the organization to liability: * Ray Kassis, N4LEM * Dana Rodakis, K4LK * (Glenn) Mike Fletcher, NI4M * Chuck Lavender, W4CLL * Demand new elections for existing directors in compliance with the bylaws. * Establish a bylaw committee to rewrite the bylaws and change the organization structure to better serve all amateurs in Florida. * Establish a development process for new policies from the membership * Encourage input from the membership based on sound technical policies * De-centralize coordination by having a web enabled database be accessible to the public showing all history of an application through coordination. * No one person should be the gatekeeper of the database. * Make all records of the FRC open to the public, as any non-profit serving the public interest must be. I will make a motion to accomplish this at the next meeting at the Melbourne Hamfest meeting. To make this happen, I am asking for your proxy, if you’re a member of the FRC. You will need to print out this form and sign it, then send a scan or legible picture of it to me via email or text message. If you can attend the meeting, please do so. It’s $10 to become a member on the FRC website and it buys the right to have a say in the future of amateur radio in Florida. <http://florida-repeaters.org/donate.htm> http://florida-repeaters.org/donate.htm I fully expect to be shouted down by the board, but as members we cannot be ignored. I wish to resolve this via the membership, but if ignored I do intend to comply the board, by any legal means, to follow the bylaws and FS 617. I need your proxy by the Friday, October 7, 2016. 73’s and see you at Melbourne, Bryan Fields, W9CR P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions. _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list <mailto:FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org> FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org <http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info> http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info
On 10/3/16 12:08 AM, rick.pemble@outlook.com wrote:
Seems to me that there is a FRC meeting 3 times a year, at the Tampa Hamfest, the Orlando Hamfest, and the Melbourne Hamfest (this weekend). Minutes are sent out to members via email.
They are not sent out to members. This upcoming meeting it exactly what I'm planning on attending.
The FRC site is at http://florida-repeaters.org/ - which used to have the entire database available for perusal and download – not sure what this current notice is all about.
The database was not there, just queries from it, as locked PDF files. This is not usable to determine what frequencies may be open, as the FRC does not provide frequencies (per their website).
But the point is – I have been a Ham here since 1975 – I don’t know of any problem with the FRC – I notice those that do right now, are new guys with non-florida call signs. I would be hesitant to throw in with a group of carpet baggers unless there was some real reason that it was necessary. A few complaints and accusations is not enough for a coup. The Amateur service has not completely degenerated into CB yet. Although I can understand that the new guys don’t know of any difference on the air, I think if you are serious - show up at the Melbourne hamfest FRC meeting and make your complaints known and addressed.
Please lets refrain from ad-hominem attacks. I'm as much of a Floridian as anyone here, and we're all in the same boat. I will be at the members meeting prior to the meeting and invite others to be there.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, don’t have a repeater, don’t want one, but, damn, if I see one more ‘2’, or ‘KA’ call screaming for revolution….. I would at least like to hear how YOU would run the coordination activity in any improved fashion first.
KA callsign? My original call was KB-something.
(and saying you have been a ham since .. so and so, no-code era, doesn’t cut any fat off your arguments – best leave that one out).
This is a strawman argument and has not bearing on these problems. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Rick, not to beat a dead horse here, but the number of one's callsign has nothing to do with anything. I was originally licensed in 1999 as KG4BOM and this is a vanity callsign. It has been a long time since the FCC required your callsign to match the region you live in. I am not sure how I ended up on this mailing list. I have not paid any money to the FRC to be a member but I do attend the Orlando and Melbourne hamfests specifically to attend the FRC meetings as I am the Trustee of my club's primary repeater. I will see you all there this Saturday unless Hurricane Matthew upsets the apple cart. Tom "Wolfie" BIlello, NW0LF VE Liaison Daytona Beach Amateur Radio Association H-386-423-3277 C-386-690-9412 <http://www.dbara.org/> http://www.dbara.org VE-patch1_2 From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of rick.pemble@outlook.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 00:09 To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Seems to me that there is a FRC meeting 3 times a year, at the Tampa Hamfest, the Orlando Hamfest, and the Melbourne Hamfest (this weekend). Minutes are sent out to members via email. All are invited to attend the meetings, members or not. The FRC site is at http://florida-repeaters.org/ - which used to have the entire database available for perusal and download – not sure what this current notice is all about. But the point is – I have been a Ham here since 1975 – I don’t know of any problem with the FRC – I notice those that do right now, are new guys with non-florida call signs. I would be hesitant to throw in with a group of carpet baggers unless there was some real reason that it was necessary. A few complaints and accusations is not enough for a coup. The Amateur service has not completely degenerated into CB yet. Although I can understand that the new guys don’t know of any difference on the air, I think if you are serious - show up at the Melbourne hamfest FRC meeting and make your complaints known and addressed. I don’t have a dog in this fight, don’t have a repeater, don’t want one, but, damn, if I see one more ‘2’, or ‘KA’ call screaming for revolution….. I would at least like to hear how YOU would run the coordination activity in any improved fashion first. (and saying you have been a ham since .. so and so, no-code era, doesn’t cut any fat off your arguments – best leave that one out). W4RP From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of DWFComm@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 11:53 PM To: frc-info@lists.keekles.org Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I'm pretty sure that I am not an FRC member, though not certain..as I have not had any form of "Minutes of meetings" in ages -if ever. I had thought that the unusually slow processing speed was a "due diligence" effect , and a nuisance at best ..however I have heard of "Paper Repeaters" existing and even a story of certain frequencies/pairs being held from general use only to be "sold" to some well healed or politically influential entities. How any of the above -if true- equates to the proper management of frequency assets worries me , and throws the otherwise best practices book into the Chipper. If your efforts would include an immediate sweep for DEAD WOOD and Paper machines ...count me in. If it was truly the best the current FRC could do, God bless them for the effort , but If stories of malice are true ..an intervention is clearly needed. However , I can't help thinking that previous performance of the FRC and the attrition of Hams capable of ginning up a repeater .,constitute a rapidly approaching drain. In my travels over the last few years , I have heard a shocking ebb in repeater activity ,and even the once friendly VHF Spx 146.52 is near desolate of travel companions. I fear that HAMS willing to put up with the "WE SAY SO Company " ethic of the recent FRC...are likely to believe a new FRC would be just rearranging the deck chairs on the "S.S. Minnow" . Yours, Dave Fragale KA4CNP 444.4/449.4 192.8 Seminole In a message dated 10/2/2016 10:23:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net> Bryan@bryanfields.net writes: Greetings and welcome to the Florida Repeater Discussion List, I am Bryan Fields, W9CR. I’m involved in amateur radio in the Tampa Bay area, with membership in four local clubs and chairman of the Technical Committee for my local group. Professionally I am a Network Architect with a major telecom company. I’ve been a licensed amateur since 1995 (over 2/3 of my life), hold a GROL+Radar and have a background in cellular/microwave networks. Fellow Amateurs, the FRC is an organization run amuck. Incompetent directors are managing it, flouting the bylaws, violating Florida Law, and ignoring member needs. I am asking for your proxy for the upcoming FRC meeting. It has failed in its ability to coordinate operations of amateur radio repeaters in the following ways: * <!--[if !supportLists]-->Publication of the FRC database on a public website * This database dump in MySQL format and the associated webpages show without a doubt the level of incompetency in the programming behind the database. This is nothing but gross negligence on the part of Director Rodakis and Director Lavender. * Per the coordination policy, locations are to be kept secret, however a Reddit user was kind enough to post a Google earth KML showing the coordinated location of every repeater in the state. * All your personal data, phone, email, home address, repeater site address and Repeater Site GPS coordinates are published. * Length of the coordination process is unacceptable! * As of this writing coordination applications post 1/25/2016 have not been processed. It’s October! * If the coordinator cannot process applications in a reasonable time, he needs to step down. * Renewals have not been processed post 5/7/2016! As most coordinations expire on 9/30/2016, this means no members may vote under the bylaws! This applies to the board as well. * <!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]-->Violation of the coordination policy by the directors * Willful violation of the bylaws by the directors * Willful violations of FS 617 regarding members request for information * Acknowledged receipt of this by President Kassis * Publicly stating the policy of the FRC is “is unable to search for available frequencies”, when this is the FCC definition of a frequency coordinator. * When they do suggest frequencies there active repeaters on them, some even coordinated well under the radius. * Inventing new coordination polices on the fly without approval of the board The FRC must be reformed if it wishes to keep its legitimacy. Frequency coordination is voluntary in amateur radio, and there is little reason for amateur radio operators in Florida to seek coordination from the FRC under this current administration. My goal is to transform this organization into a healthy helping hand for repeater operators and other amateur spectrum users. No one should be answered with contempt for months after putting an application in for coordination only to be told “fill it out again, we can’t edit it”. This should not be an organization which exists as a good-ol’-boy system breading contempt; rather one which operates in the open, in accordance with its bylaws, and accountable to its members. The FRC should ask how to say “Yes” rather than saying “No” in working with their members and other amateurs. My plan to get us on the right track is: * <!--[endif]-->Remove the current directors for gross incompetency and exposing the organization to liability: * Ray Kassis, N4LEM * Dana Rodakis, K4LK * (Glenn) Mike Fletcher, NI4M * Chuck Lavender, W4CLL * Demand new elections for existing directors in compliance with the bylaws. * Establish a bylaw committee to rewrite the bylaws and change the organization structure to better serve all amateurs in Florida. * Establish a development process for new policies from the membership * Encourage input from the membership based on sound technical policies * De-centralize coordination by having a web enabled database be accessible to the public showing all history of an application through coordination. * No one person should be the gatekeeper of the database. * Make all records of the FRC open to the public, as any non-profit serving the public interest must be. I will make a motion to accomplish this at the next meeting at the Melbourne Hamfest meeting. To make this happen, I am asking for your proxy, if you’re a member of the FRC. You will need to print out this form and sign it, then send a scan or legible picture of it to me via email or text message. If you can attend the meeting, please do so. It’s $10 to become a member on the FRC website and it buys the right to have a say in the future of amateur radio in Florida. <http://florida-repeaters.org/donate.htm> http://florida-repeaters.org/donate.htm I fully expect to be shouted down by the board, but as members we cannot be ignored. I wish to resolve this via the membership, but if ignored I do intend to comply the board, by any legal means, to follow the bylaws and FS 617. I need your proxy by the Friday, October 7, 2016. 73’s and see you at Melbourne, Bryan Fields, W9CR P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions. _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list <mailto:FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org> FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org <http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info> http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through. Vern KI4ONW
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Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed. Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones. In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination. Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair. Best regards, Shawn Campbell KG4UGK -----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through. Vern KI4ONW
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LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980. PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database. *It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC. KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965 FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142 (KJ4AN@Comcast.net) _____ From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed. Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones. In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination. Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair. Best regards, Shawn Campbell KG4UGK -----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through. Vern KI4ONW
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Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these. Vern KI4ONW On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it. Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150 Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure. -----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these. Vern KI4ONW On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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Geez someone please take me off this group list it is clogging up my mailbox!! Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Ken Wolfe <kwolfe@co.okaloosa.fl.us> wrote:
Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it.
Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150
Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.
-----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Vern KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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Please remove me too. I haven't lived in FL for 6 years, have never been a member of FRC, and never even owned a repeater in FL, or anywhere else. I also resent being added to this list without my permission, so yes it is SPAM. Sorry to all of those who had to read this. The directions at the bottom of the e-mail would require me to request a password, verify it, and only then could I unsubscribe from the list. Not very tactful from someone claiming to be in the IT field. 73, Fred, K9VV
On Oct 3, 2016, at 08:53, Ken Wolfe <kwolfe@co.okaloosa.fl.us> wrote:
Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it.
Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150
Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.
-----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Vern KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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Fred, You do not need the password to unsubscribe. Click the unsubscribe and a confirmation e-mail will be sent. Reply to the confirmation and you will be unsubscribed. This is not a comment on how people were added to the list in the first place. I do have issues with that. 73, Steve N4IRS On 10/3/2016 9:04 AM, Fred Kleber wrote:
Please remove me too. I haven't lived in FL for 6 years, have never been a member of FRC, and never even owned a repeater in FL, or anywhere else.
I also resent being added to this list without my permission, so yes it is SPAM.
Sorry to all of those who had to read this. The directions at the bottom of the e-mail would require me to request a password, verify it, and only then could I unsubscribe from the list. Not very tactful from someone claiming to be in the IT field.
73, Fred, K9VV
On Oct 3, 2016, at 08:53, Ken Wolfe <kwolfe@co.okaloosa.fl.us> wrote:
Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it.
Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150
Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.
-----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Vern KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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On 10/3/16 9:16 AM, Steve Zingman wrote:
Fred, You do not need the password to unsubscribe. Click the unsubscribe and a confirmation e-mail will be sent. Reply to the confirmation and you will be unsubscribed.
I've been removing people once asked. There is info at the bottom of every email as well to unsubscribe ones self as well.
This is not a comment on how people were added to the list in the first place. I do have issues with that.
As a professional that's fought SPAM for ages, I can assure you I thought hard about this. I can understand your concerns and do appreciate feedback. This is a shotgun approach, but there were few options left in working with them as they ignored my information request. http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/Reference%20%239.pdf As they had published everyone's email, phone number and repeater info I was trying to reach out to the members to effect meaningful change. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Please 'unsubscribe' me from your list, I tried to 'unsubscribe' by clicking the link but don't remember a password. Just take me off this mailing list. Thank you, Tim Parker KM4AX On 10/3/2016 10:13 AM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 10/3/16 9:16 AM, Steve Zingman wrote:
Fred, You do not need the password to unsubscribe. Click the unsubscribe and a confirmation e-mail will be sent. Reply to the confirmation and you will be unsubscribed. I've been removing people once asked. There is info at the bottom of every email as well to unsubscribe ones self as well.
This is not a comment on how people were added to the list in the first place. I do have issues with that. As a professional that's fought SPAM for ages, I can assure you I thought hard about this. I can understand your concerns and do appreciate feedback.
This is a shotgun approach, but there were few options left in working with them as they ignored my information request. http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/Reference%20%239.pdf
As they had published everyone's email, phone number and repeater info I was trying to reach out to the members to effect meaningful change.
73's
????????????????????????? From: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> To: frc-info@lists.keekles.org Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Fred, You do not need the password to unsubscribe. Click the unsubscribe and a confirmation e-mail will be sent. Reply to the confirmation and you will be unsubscribed. This is not a comment on how people were added to the list in the first place. I do have issues with that. 73, Steve N4IRS On 10/3/2016 9:04 AM, Fred Kleber wrote:
Please remove me too. I haven't lived in FL for 6 years, have never been a member of FRC, and never even owned a repeater in FL, or anywhere else.
I also resent being added to this list without my permission, so yes it is SPAM.
Sorry to all of those who had to read this. The directions at the bottom of the e-mail would require me to request a password, verify it, and only then could I unsubscribe from the list. Not very tactful from someone claiming to be in the IT field.
73, Fred, K9VV
On Oct 3, 2016, at 08:53, Ken Wolfe <kwolfe@co.okaloosa.fl.us> wrote:
Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it.
Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150
Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.
-----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Vern KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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Why are you sending this to me? I have nothing to do with the FRC On 10/3/2016 9:04 AM, Fred Kleber wrote:
Please remove me too. I haven't lived in FL for 6 years, have never been a member of FRC, and never even owned a repeater in FL, or anywhere else.
I also resent being added to this list without my permission, so yes it is SPAM.
Sorry to all of those who had to read this. The directions at the bottom of the e-mail would require me to request a password, verify it, and only then could I unsubscribe from the list. Not very tactful from someone claiming to be in the IT field.
73, Fred, K9VV
On Oct 3, 2016, at 08:53, Ken Wolfe <kwolfe@co.okaloosa.fl.us> wrote:
Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it.
Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150
Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.
-----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Vern KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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Stop filling my in box with this trash!! I have unsubscribed for this FRC B.S. thank you.. -----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of Howard Carling Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 9:35 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Why are you sending this to me? I have nothing to do with the FRC On 10/3/2016 9:04 AM, Fred Kleber wrote:
Please remove me too. I haven't lived in FL for 6 years, have never been a member of FRC, and never even owned a repeater in FL, or anywhere else.
I also resent being added to this list without my permission, so yes it is SPAM.
Sorry to all of those who had to read this. The directions at the bottom of the e-mail would require me to request a password, verify it, and only then could I unsubscribe from the list. Not very tactful from someone claiming to be in the IT field.
73, Fred, K9VV
On Oct 3, 2016, at 08:53, Ken Wolfe <kwolfe@co.okaloosa.fl.us> wrote:
Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it.
Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150
Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.
-----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Vern KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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ATT MODERATORS Please remove the following addresses from this list. My county government server does not allow me to access to the list to do it myself bpickering@FCBCC.org BP@FlaglerEmergency.com BPickering@FlaglerCounty.org I am not the coordinator of our repeater anymore. Thank You! BP -----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of Frank Halas Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 9:39 AM To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Stop filling my in box with this trash!! I have unsubscribed for this FRC B.S. thank you.. -----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of Howard Carling Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 9:35 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Why are you sending this to me? I have nothing to do with the FRC On 10/3/2016 9:04 AM, Fred Kleber wrote:
Please remove me too. I haven't lived in FL for 6 years, have never been a member of FRC, and never even owned a repeater in FL, or anywhere else.
I also resent being added to this list without my permission, so yes it is SPAM.
Sorry to all of those who had to read this. The directions at the bottom of the e-mail would require me to request a password, verify it, and only then could I unsubscribe from the list. Not very tactful from someone claiming to be in the IT field.
73, Fred, K9VV
On Oct 3, 2016, at 08:53, Ken Wolfe <kwolfe@co.okaloosa.fl.us> wrote:
Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it.
Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150
Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.
-----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Vern KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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Take me off of this string email. It’s flooding my email box. Stop filling my in box with this trash. I registered our clubs two repeaters recently with the council but did not request to be a member or receive this crap. Please remove me immediately. Bob WA4M
This email address has nothing to do with FRC. On 10/3/2016 8:53 AM, Ken Wolfe wrote:
Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it.
Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150
Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.
-----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Vern KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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??????????????????????????? From: Howard Carling <wd4mrr@bellsouth.net> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information This email address has nothing to do with FRC. On 10/3/2016 8:53 AM, Ken Wolfe wrote:
Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it.
Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150
Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.
-----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Vern KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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???????????????????????????? From: Ken Wolfe <kwolfe@co.okaloosa.fl.us> To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Ok, Take me off the list. To many emails from it. Ken Wolfe, MSM, CEM Okaloosa County Public Safety Emergency Management 90 College Blvd E Niceville, FL 32578 Office: 850-651-7150 Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regariding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure. -----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 6:36 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these. Vern KI4ONW On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
_____
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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On 10/3/16 7:36 AM, vern@highwayusa.com wrote:
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these.
Please note, this is not officially sanctioned by the FRC. I am a member of the FRC and needed a way to reach other members of the FRC as the board has ignored my members information request. http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/Reference%20%239.pdf That request was made in May and returned as delivery refused by Secretary Fletcher. It was also posted to the board email list directly and acknowledged as received by the president and other directors. They have ignored a legal document and short of suing there is not much I can do. Earlier this month someone posted dump of the entire FRC database on reddit. This had all your emails and repeater information in it. I simply queried it and created the list. One of the cool things that came of this, is a reddit member made a google earth file of the database. It's very cool. http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/FRC-dbdump.kml 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
????????????????????????? From: "vern@highwayusa.com" <vern@highwayusa.com> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these. Vern KI4ONW On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
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From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
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I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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Please remove my name and info from your list . I have not been a member for over 15 years. Tom Johnson W4TEJ From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of MICHAEL WELLS Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 7:01 PM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information ????????????????????????? _____ From: "vern@highwayusa.com" <vern@highwayusa.com> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these. Vern KI4ONW On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net)
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From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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The email list was hacked from either the FRC list, Bryan admitted they would not give it to him as they should, or from another server. Yes, I may be a member of FRC and their list, but they like most protect that list as they should. If Bryan was in charge would he be giving out our personal info, sounds as if he would. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com ________________________________ From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of MICHAEL WELLS <wells8868@bellsouth.net> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:00 PM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information ????????????????????????? ________________________________ From: "vern@highwayusa.com" <vern@highwayusa.com> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you are getting these. Vern KI4ONW On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400 "KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an@comcast.net<mailto:kj4an@comcast.net>> wrote:
LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these e-mails, I didn't ask to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful assisting me with issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on the air in the Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously someone associated with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
*It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are only an advisory board, monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band plan, rules, and do your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you, not the FRC.
KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator since 1965
FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
(KJ4AN@Comcast.net<mailto:KJ4AN@Comcast.net>)
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From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org<mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org>] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com<mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
-----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com<mailto:vern@highwayusa.com> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org<mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org>> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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I've been thru 2 new repeater coordinations in last year and had few problems. The FRC responded quickly and with good info. One pair I requested was not on the FRC list, but had been assigned to another. So I found another pair. I did my research before asking. Both pairs are now up and running. I find the FRC's guide lines to be technically sound and they follow them. They have served Florida repeater systems well. I see most of what Bryan is saying as just rambling without substance. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com ________________________________ From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com <kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed. Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones. In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination. Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair. Best regards, Shawn Campbell KG4UGK -----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through. Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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I have been involved in three new repeater coordinations in the past year and a half. FRC’s Mike Gonzalez N2FSU has been very responsive and helpful. All three units are now up and running in 70 cm band and formal Coordination Requests were submitted on the web site as the units were activated. Only disappointment is that I’ve received no “formal” acknowledgement from FRC of the Coordination. Am working on the theory that “no news is good news” and the fact that we’ve received no interference complaints. Nor have we been interfered with by any other repeaters. 73... Steve "Overnight Success… is a long, slow, process." Stephen Smith W9GPI ARES EC in Lee County, FL ARES is known as A.L.E.R.T. in Lee County w9gpi@me.com 920-251-6249 www.aresraces-leecountyfl.org
Steve, Maybe you have done this, but FRC needs notification of the repeaters actually being turned on. After they get this notice it often goes for few months before formal coordination is given, probably to see if an interference issue pops up. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com ________________________________ From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Stephen Smith <w9gpi@me.com> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 10:06 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I have been involved in three new repeater coordinations in the past year and a half. FRC's Mike Gonzalez N2FSU has been very responsive and helpful. All three units are now up and running in 70 cm band and formal Coordination Requests were submitted on the web site as the units were activated. Only disappointment is that I've received no "formal" acknowledgement from FRC of the Coordination. Am working on the theory that "no news is good news" and the fact that we've received no interference complaints. Nor have we been interfered with by any other repeaters. 73... Steve "Overnight Success... is a long, slow, process." Stephen Smith W9GPI ARES EC in Lee County, FL ARES is known as A.L.E.R.T. in Lee County w9gpi@me.com<mailto:w9gpi@me.com> 920-251-6249 www.aresraces-leecountyfl.org<http://www.aresraces-leecountyfl.org>
It has been my recent experience with FRC that is one applies for a specific pair they respond quickly. I have also found if you just as for a pair they set on it, hi. If I need a pair I go to the FRC's data base and start with freqs and search for one that will meet the FRC's guide lines, 85 mile separation to start. When I find one I apply for it directly to the FRC. Seems most of the work is finding a pair not in use. A pair not being in the data base does not mean the pair is available for the list is not kept up to date. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com ________________________________ From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of vern@highwayusa.com <vern@highwayusa.com> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through. Vern KI4ONW
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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Hi looks like I have missed a few frc meetings however I would like to keep my status on 444.075 in Miami if possible on university of Miami. This repeater has recently failed and has been difficult getting access to it re new rules and staff who do not understand ham radio and its requirements to have height for antennas. I am working w the local PD who's communication officer is a ham and will try to facilitate access and or new location for the repeater. In the mean time once it is repaired the technical parameters remain the same until it is moved. Rick Nelson KB4MAG Thanks Sent from my Eye-Phone
On Oct 3, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Tom Bilello <NW0LF@dawoolfe.com> wrote:
Rick, not to beat a dead horse here, but the number of one's callsign has nothing to do with anything. I was originally licensed in 1999 as KG4BOM and this is a vanity callsign. It has been a long time since the FCC required your callsign to match the region you live in.
I am not sure how I ended up on this mailing list. I have not paid any money to the FRC to be a member but I do attend the Orlando and Melbourne hamfests specifically to attend the FRC meetings as I am the Trustee of my club's primary repeater. I will see you all there this Saturday unless Hurricane Matthew upsets the apple cart.
Tom "Wolfie" BIlello, NW0LF VE Liaison Daytona Beach Amateur Radio Association H-386-423-3277 C-386-690-9412 http://www.dbara.org <image002.jpg>
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of rick.pemble@outlook.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 00:09 To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Seems to me that there is a FRC meeting 3 times a year, at the Tampa Hamfest, the Orlando Hamfest, and the Melbourne Hamfest (this weekend). Minutes are sent out to members via email. All are invited to attend the meetings, members or not.
The FRC site is at http://florida-repeaters.org/ - which used to have the entire database available for perusal and download – not sure what this current notice is all about.
But the point is – I have been a Ham here since 1975 – I don’t know of any problem with the FRC – I notice those that do right now, are new guys with non-florida call signs. I would be hesitant to throw in with a group of carpet baggers unless there was some real reason that it was necessary. A few complaints and accusations is not enough for a coup. The Amateur service has not completely degenerated into CB yet. Although I can understand that the new guys don’t know of any difference on the air, I think if you are serious - show up at the Melbourne hamfest FRC meeting and make your complaints known and addressed.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, don’t have a repeater, don’t want one, but, damn, if I see one more ‘2’, or ‘KA’ call screaming for revolution….. I would at least like to hear how YOU would run the coordination activity in any improved fashion first. (and saying you have been a ham since .. so and so, no-code era, doesn’t cut any fat off your arguments – best leave that one out).
W4RP
From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of DWFComm@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 11:53 PM To: frc-info@lists.keekles.org Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I'm pretty sure that I am not an FRC member, though not certain..as I have not had any form of "Minutes of meetings" in ages -if ever. I had thought that the unusually slow processing speed was a "due diligence" effect , and a nuisance at best ..however I have heard of "Paper Repeaters" existing and even a story of certain frequencies/pairs being held from general use only to be "sold" to some well healed or politically influential entities. How any of the above -if true- equates to the proper management of frequency assets worries me , and throws the otherwise best practices book into the Chipper. If your efforts would include an immediate sweep for DEAD WOOD and Paper machines ...count me in. If it was truly the best the current FRC could do, God bless them for the effort , but If stories of malice are true ..an intervention is clearly needed. However , I can't help thinking that previous performance of the FRC and the attrition of Hams capable of ginning up a repeater .,constitute a rapidly approaching drain. In my travels over the last few years , I have heard a shocking ebb in repeater activity ,and even the once friendly VHF Spx 146.52 is near desolate of travel companions. I fear that HAMS willing to put up with the "WE SAY SO Company " ethic of the recent FRC...are likely to believe a new FRC would be just rearranging the deck chairs on the "S.S. Minnow" . Yours, Dave Fragale KA4CNP 444.4/449.4 192.8 Seminole
In a message dated 10/2/2016 10:23:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Bryan@bryanfields.net writes: Greetings and welcome to the Florida Repeater Discussion List,
I am Bryan Fields, W9CR.
I’m involved in amateur radio in the Tampa Bay area, with membership in four local clubs and chairman of the Technical Committee for my local group.
Professionally I am a Network Architect with a major telecom company. I’ve been a licensed amateur since 1995 (over 2/3 of my life), hold a GROL+Radar and have a background in cellular/microwave networks.
Fellow Amateurs, the FRC is an organization run amuck. Incompetent directors are managing it, flouting the bylaws, violating Florida Law, and ignoring member needs. I am asking for your proxy for the upcoming FRC meeting.
It has failed in its ability to coordinate operations of amateur radio repeaters in the following ways:
<!--[if !supportLists]-->Publication of the FRC database on a public website This database dump in MySQL format and the associated webpages show without a doubt the level of incompetency in the programming behind the database. This is nothing but gross negligence on the part of Director Rodakis and Director Lavender. Per the coordination policy, locations are to be kept secret, however a Reddit user was kind enough to post a Google earth KML showing the coordinated location of every repeater in the state. All your personal data, phone, email, home address, repeater site address and Repeater Site GPS coordinates are published. Length of the coordination process is unacceptable! As of this writing coordination applications post 1/25/2016 have not been processed. It’s October! If the coordinator cannot process applications in a reasonable time, he needs to step down. Renewals have not been processed post 5/7/2016! As most coordinations expire on 9/30/2016, this means no members may vote under the bylaws! This applies to the board as well. <!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]-->Violation of the coordination policy by the directors Willful violation of the bylaws by the directors Willful violations of FS 617 regarding members request for information Acknowledged receipt of this by President Kassis Publicly stating the policy of the FRC is “is unable to search for available frequencies”, when this is the FCC definition of a frequency coordinator. When they do suggest frequencies there active repeaters on them, some even coordinated well under the radius. Inventing new coordination polices on the fly without approval of the board
The FRC must be reformed if it wishes to keep its legitimacy. Frequency coordination is voluntary in amateur radio, and there is little reason for amateur radio operators in Florida to seek coordination from the FRC under this current administration.
My goal is to transform this organization into a healthy helping hand for repeater operators and other amateur spectrum users. No one should be answered with contempt for months after putting an application in for coordination only to be told “fill it out again, we can’t edit it”. This should not be an organization which exists as a good-ol’-boy system breading contempt; rather one which operates in the open, in accordance with its bylaws, and accountable to its members.
The FRC should ask how to say “Yes” rather than saying “No” in working with their members and other amateurs.
My plan to get us on the right track is:
<!--[endif]-->Remove the current directors for gross incompetency and exposing the organization to liability: Ray Kassis, N4LEM Dana Rodakis, K4LK (Glenn) Mike Fletcher, NI4M Chuck Lavender, W4CLL Demand new elections for existing directors in compliance with the bylaws. Establish a bylaw committee to rewrite the bylaws and change the organization structure to better serve all amateurs in Florida. Establish a development process for new policies from the membership Encourage input from the membership based on sound technical policies De-centralize coordination by having a web enabled database be accessible to the public showing all history of an application through coordination. No one person should be the gatekeeper of the database. Make all records of the FRC open to the public, as any non-profit serving the public interest must be.
I will make a motion to accomplish this at the next meeting at the Melbourne Hamfest meeting. To make this happen, I am asking for your proxy, if you’re a member of the FRC. You will need to print out this form and sign it, then send a scan or legible picture of it to me via email or text message. If you can attend the meeting, please do so.
It’s $10 to become a member on the FRC website and it buys the right to have a say in the future of amateur radio in Florida. http://florida-repeaters.org/donate.htm
I fully expect to be shouted down by the board, but as members we cannot be ignored. I wish to resolve this via the membership, but if ignored I do intend to comply the board, by any legal means, to follow the bylaws and FS 617.
I need your proxy by the Friday, October 7, 2016. 73’s and see you at Melbourne,
Bryan Fields, W9CR
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.
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One problem with Hams new to repeater building and the FRC, new Hams have this idea they have a Ham license and can operate anywhere they wish within their privileges. And they cannot see why they cannot have a repeater pair just for the asking. Of course if they did put on a repeater and got interference they would be complaining to hell and high water. Repeaters technically and operationally are totally different animals than typical Ham stations. And when put up high they get into issues not encountered by the typical Ham. The FRC is caught in the middle, but has shown they can handle the problems. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com ________________________________ From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of rick.pemble@outlook.com <rick.pemble@outlook.com> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 12:08 AM To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Seems to me that there is a FRC meeting 3 times a year, at the Tampa Hamfest, the Orlando Hamfest, and the Melbourne Hamfest (this weekend). Minutes are sent out to members via email. All are invited to attend the meetings, members or not. The FRC site is at http://florida-repeaters.org/ - which used to have the entire database available for perusal and download – not sure what this current notice is all about. Florida Repeater Council Home Page<http://florida-repeaters.org/> florida-repeaters.org Florida Repeater Council. The Florida Repeater Council, Inc. (FRC) is the ARRL-recognized amateur frequency coordinating body for the State of Florida. But the point is – I have been a Ham here since 1975 – I don’t know of any problem with the FRC – I notice those that do right now, are new guys with non-florida call signs. I would be hesitant to throw in with a group of carpet baggers unless there was some real reason that it was necessary. A few complaints and accusations is not enough for a coup. The Amateur service has not completely degenerated into CB yet. Although I can understand that the new guys don’t know of any difference on the air, I think if you are serious - show up at the Melbourne hamfest FRC meeting and make your complaints known and addressed. I don’t have a dog in this fight, don’t have a repeater, don’t want one, but, damn, if I see one more ‘2’, or ‘KA’ call screaming for revolution….. I would at least like to hear how YOU would run the coordination activity in any improved fashion first. (and saying you have been a ham since .. so and so, no-code era, doesn’t cut any fat off your arguments – best leave that one out). W4RP From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of DWFComm@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 11:53 PM To: frc-info@lists.keekles.org Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I'm pretty sure that I am not an FRC member, though not certain..as I have not had any form of "Minutes of meetings" in ages -if ever. I had thought that the unusually slow processing speed was a "due diligence" effect , and a nuisance at best ..however I have heard of "Paper Repeaters" existing and even a story of certain frequencies/pairs being held from general use only to be "sold" to some well healed or politically influential entities. How any of the above -if true- equates to the proper management of frequency assets worries me , and throws the otherwise best practices book into the Chipper. If your efforts would include an immediate sweep for DEAD WOOD and Paper machines ...count me in. If it was truly the best the current FRC could do, God bless them for the effort , but If stories of malice are true ..an intervention is clearly needed. However , I can't help thinking that previous performance of the FRC and the attrition of Hams capable of ginning up a repeater .,constitute a rapidly approaching drain. In my travels over the last few years , I have heard a shocking ebb in repeater activity ,and even the once friendly VHF Spx 146.52 is near desolate of travel companions. I fear that HAMS willing to put up with the "WE SAY SO Company " ethic of the recent FRC...are likely to believe a new FRC would be just rearranging the deck chairs on the "S.S. Minnow" . Yours, Dave Fragale KA4CNP 444.4/449.4 192.8 Seminole In a message dated 10/2/2016 10:23:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Bryan@bryanfields.net<mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net> writes: Greetings and welcome to the Florida Repeater Discussion List, I am Bryan Fields, W9CR. I’m involved in amateur radio in the Tampa Bay area, with membership in four local clubs and chairman of the Technical Committee for my local group. Professionally I am a Network Architect with a major telecom company. I’ve been a licensed amateur since 1995 (over 2/3 of my life), hold a GROL+Radar and have a background in cellular/microwave networks. Fellow Amateurs, the FRC is an organization run amuck. Incompetent directors are managing it, flouting the bylaws, violating Florida Law, and ignoring member needs. I am asking for your proxy for the upcoming FRC meeting. It has failed in its ability to coordinate operations of amateur radio repeaters in the following ways: * <!--[if !supportLists]-->Publication of the FRC database on a public website * This database dump in MySQL format and the associated webpages show without a doubt the level of incompetency in the programming behind the database. This is nothing but gross negligence on the part of Director Rodakis and Director Lavender. * Per the coordination policy, locations are to be kept secret, however a Reddit user was kind enough to post a Google earth KML showing the coordinated location of every repeater in the state. * All your personal data, phone, email, home address, repeater site address and Repeater Site GPS coordinates are published. * Length of the coordination process is unacceptable! * As of this writing coordination applications post 1/25/2016 have not been processed. It’s October! * If the coordinator cannot process applications in a reasonable time, he needs to step down. * Renewals have not been processed post 5/7/2016! As most coordinations expire on 9/30/2016, this means no members may vote under the bylaws! This applies to the board as well. * <!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]-->Violation of the coordination policy by the directors * Willful violation of the bylaws by the directors * Willful violations of FS 617 regarding members request for information * Acknowledged receipt of this by President Kassis * Publicly stating the policy of the FRC is “is unable to search for available frequencies”, when this is the FCC definition of a frequency coordinator. * When they do suggest frequencies there active repeaters on them, some even coordinated well under the radius. * Inventing new coordination polices on the fly without approval of the board The FRC must be reformed if it wishes to keep its legitimacy. Frequency coordination is voluntary in amateur radio, and there is little reason for amateur radio operators in Florida to seek coordination from the FRC under this current administration. My goal is to transform this organization into a healthy helping hand for repeater operators and other amateur spectrum users. No one should be answered with contempt for months after putting an application in for coordination only to be told “fill it out again, we can’t edit it”. This should not be an organization which exists as a good-ol’-boy system breading contempt; rather one which operates in the open, in accordance with its bylaws, and accountable to its members. The FRC should ask how to say “Yes” rather than saying “No” in working with their members and other amateurs. •• •••• •• ••• •• •• ••• ••••• ••••• ••• * <!--[endif]-->Remove the current directors for gross incompetency and exposing the organization to liability: * Ray Kassis, N4LEM * Dana Rodakis, K4LK * (Glenn) Mike Fletcher, NI4M * Chuck Lavender, W4CLL * Demand new elections for existing directors in compliance with the bylaws. * Establish a bylaw committee to rewrite the bylaws and change the organization structure to better serve all amateurs in Florida. * Establish a development process for new policies from the membership * Encourage input from the membership based on sound technical policies * De-centralize coordination by having a web enabled database be accessible to the public showing all history of an application through coordination. * No one person should be the gatekeeper of the database. * Make all records of the FRC open to the public, as any non-profit serving the public interest must be. I will make a motion to accomplish this at the next meeting at the Melbourne Hamfest meeting. To make this happen, I am asking for your proxy, if you’re a member of the FRC. You will need to print out this form and sign it, then send a scan or legible picture of it to me via email or text message. If you can attend the meeting, please do so. It’s $10 to become a member on the FRC website and it buys the right to have a say in the future of amateur radio in Florida. http://florida-repeaters.org/donate.htm I fully expect to be shouted down by the board, but as members we cannot be ignored. I wish to resolve this via the membership, but if ignored I do intend to comply the board, by any legal means, to follow the bylaws and FS 617. I need your proxy by the Friday, October 7, 2016. 73’s and see you at Melbourne, Bryan Fields, W9CR P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions. _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org<mailto:FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org> http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info
Comments inline: I have some supporting documentation here: http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/FRC Issues.pdf <http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/FRC%20Issues.pdf> A proxy form is here if you need it: http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/Proxy Form.pdf <http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/Proxy%20Form.pdf> On 10/2/16 11:52 PM, DWFComm@aol.com wrote:
I'm pretty sure that I am not an FRC member, though not certain..as I have not had any form of "Minutes of meetings" in ages -if ever.
The meetings are something I've not had a desire to be involved in, but it's our only option at this point.
I had thought that the unusually slow processing speed was a "due diligence" effect , and a nuisance at best ..however I have heard of "Paper Repeaters" existing and even a story of certain frequencies/pairs being held from general use only to be _*"sold"*_ to some well healed or politically influential entities.
I've heard these stories as well and it was confirmed years ago in south Florida. I find sunlight to be the best disinfectant of such corruption.
How any of the above -if true- equates to the proper management of frequency assets worries me , and throws the otherwise best practices book into the Chipper. If your efforts would include an immediate sweep for DEAD WOOD and Paper machines ...count me in.
I'm all for this, but we need to have an open database for this to work. There must be trust on both sides and a desire to solve problems. A policy development process has worked well in other organizations for this.
If it was truly the best the current FRC could do, God bless them for the effort , but If stories of malice are true ..an intervention is clearly needed. However , I can't help thinking that previous performance of the FRC and the attrition of Hams capable of ginning up a repeater .,constitute a rapidly approaching drain.
Malice and incompetence are shockingly hard to differentiate.
In my travels over the last few years , I have heard a shocking ebb in repeater activity ,and even the once friendly VHF Spx 146.52 is near desolate of travel companions.
I'm 31 and have been working to stem the tide of this. We have 5 newly licensed hams in the local area via our club and 4 best in region repeaters across 3 modes. The HamWAN deployment is coming along well in Tampa Bay. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
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