Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Wow. Stop. Take a breath. This conversation and this list has gotten so far off topic. Constant blame game and now resulting to clever elementary word games and childish name calling. Seriously. Stop. Go outside, look at the sun set. Peek at your antenna array. Think about the hobby in its most fundamental principles. It's a means of communication and one that US as hams don't take for granted. We have fought for our rights to operate the frequencies and band plans allotted to us by the ARRL, and by our license class, regardless if we are a no code tech or a know code extra. I'm a young ham. Not just in age but years on the air. It was the politicalness of clubs that kept me radio silent for many years.. and even today keeps me fearful of using others repeaters and radio systems. It's the duty as an elmer or one who's been on air for longer durations to coach and lead the younger ones into the right ways of ham/radio etiquette. We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air. While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and some other governing bodies. Stop. Take another breath. And another one. Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it.. according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information was never publicly released and was obtained by other means. As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list itself. The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just disturbs me further. So again.. no matter your views/opinions/skill set/job title, can we please conduct ourselves like the concerning ham operators we once thrived to be? Before responding. Please, take a moment, think, and then respond. Best regards,Shawn CampbellKG4UGK Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: John <k4ag@bellsouth.net> Date: 10/10/16 4:08 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information Just telling the truth On 10/8/2016 4:22 PM, hernandeznilo wrote:
Thanks John... 73 W4HN
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Mr. Campbell You have written exactly what was (and still) is needed. Thank You, Best regards Gerald Lichterman KE4ISY Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:46 PM, kg4ugk<kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com> wrote: Wow. Stop. Take a breath. This conversation and this list has gotten so far off topic. Constant blame game and now resulting to clever elementary word games and childish name calling. Seriously. Stop. Go outside, look at the sun set. Peek at your antenna array. Think about the hobby in its most fundamental principles. It's a means of communication and one that US as hams don't take for granted. We have fought for our rights to operate the frequencies and band plans allotted to us by the ARRL, and by our license class, regardless if we are a no code tech or a know code extra. I'm a young ham. Not just in age but years on the air. It was the politicalness of clubs that kept me radio silent for many years.. and even today keeps me fearful of using others repeaters and radio systems. It's the duty as an elmer or one who's been on air for longer durations to coach and lead the younger ones into the right ways of ham/radio etiquette. We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air. While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and some other governing bodies. Stop. Take another breath. And another one. Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it.. according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information was never publicly released and was obtained by other means. As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list itself. The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just disturbs me further. So again.. no matter your views/opinions/skill set/job title, can we please conduct ourselves like the concerning ham operators we once thrived to be? Before responding. Please, take a moment, think, and then respond. Best regards,Shawn CampbellKG4UGK Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: John <k4ag@bellsouth.net> Date: 10/10/16 4:08 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information Just telling the truth On 10/8/2016 4:22 PM, hernandeznilo wrote:
Thanks John... 73 W4HN
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On 10/10/16 5:46 PM, kg4ugk wrote:
We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air.
I always encourage people to voice their viewpoint, in person, on air, or in email. I also say the great thing about radio is if you don't want to listen to some one talk, change the channel. I've had to do this a few times over the years.
While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and some other governing bodies.
Shawn, I appreciated your call and conversation. As I said, I was not left with many options from the FRC leadership to contact the members via other means. If anyone wants off this list, you can do or ask me. I know we had some people with forwarded addresses and I needed headers to reconcile those. I've removed most within hours of asking.
Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it.. according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information was never publicly released and was obtained by other means.
This contradicts the information I've been given regarding how it was obtained. I've been told it was on a public website. I believe Mr. Fletcher is trying to deflect blame onto others.
As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list itself.
It's my hope the signal to noise ratio improves over time, and that seams to be the case.
The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just disturbs me further.
Others are mirroring it and providing access to the listings now that the FRC website has removed them. Further all FRC members have had a right to this information FS617. What information is really private here? I can say my email address and phone number is on every FCC application and license I've worked with professionally, why should amateur radio be special in this regard? Keeping things secret has enabled the situation we have now. If you want to keep your repeater a secret, it's best to not give the information out in the first place, IMO. See you in Melbourne, -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Please... I beg of you, remove me from this list! Rick Reuther KC2HFL Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:53, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 10/10/16 5:46 PM, kg4ugk wrote:
We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air.
I always encourage people to voice their viewpoint, in person, on air, or in email. I also say the great thing about radio is if you don't want to listen to some one talk, change the channel. I've had to do this a few times over the years.
While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and some other governing bodies.
Shawn, I appreciated your call and conversation.
As I said, I was not left with many options from the FRC leadership to contact the members via other means. If anyone wants off this list, you can do or ask me. I know we had some people with forwarded addresses and I needed headers to reconcile those. I've removed most within hours of asking.
Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it.. according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information was never publicly released and was obtained by other means.
This contradicts the information I've been given regarding how it was obtained. I've been told it was on a public website. I believe Mr. Fletcher is trying to deflect blame onto others.
As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list itself.
It's my hope the signal to noise ratio improves over time, and that seams to be the case.
The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just disturbs me further.
Others are mirroring it and providing access to the listings now that the FRC website has removed them.
Further all FRC me
I have also submitted a request to be removed from the FRC email list 3 weeks ago Frank Pliska III N4PAO RF Systems Engineer MOTOROLA FrankPliska@Comcast.net
On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Richard J Reuther <rjreuther@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Please... I beg of you, remove me from this list!
Rick Reuther KC2HFL Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:53, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 10/10/16 5:46 PM, kg4ugk wrote:
We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air.
I always encourage people to voice their viewpoint, in person, on air, or in email. I also say the great thing about radio is if you don't want to listen to some one talk, change the channel. I've had to do this a few times over the years.
While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and some other governing bodies.
Shawn, I appreciated your call and conversation.
As I said, I was not left with many options from the FRC leadership to contact the members via other means. If anyone wants off this list, you can do or ask me. I know we had some people with forwarded addresses and I needed headers to reconcile those. I've removed most within hours of asking.
Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it.. according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information was never publicly released and was obtained by other means.
This contradicts the information I've been given regarding how it was obtained. I've been told it was on a public website. I believe Mr. Fletcher is trying to deflect blame onto others.
As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list itself.
It's my hope the signal to noise ratio improves over time, and that seams to be the case.
The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just disturbs me further.
Others are mirroring it and providing access to the listings now that the FRC website has removed them.
Further all FRC me
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it's not hard to unsubscribe. just click the link at the bottom of any of the emails and put your address in where it says unsubscribe, and unsubscribe. not rocket science. Sent from an iPhone 6
On Oct 12, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Frank Pliska <frankpliska@comcast.net> wrote:
I have also submitted a request to be removed from the FRC email list 3 weeks ago
Frank Pliska III N4PAO RF Systems Engineer MOTOROLA FrankPliska@Comcast.net
On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Richard J Reuther <rjreuther@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Please... I beg of you, remove me from this list!
Rick Reuther KC2HFL Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:53, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 10/10/16 5:46 PM, kg4ugk wrote:
We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air.
I always encourage people to voice their viewpoint, in person, on air, or in email. I also say the great thing about radio is if you don't want to listen to some one talk, change the channel. I've had to do this a few times over the years.
While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and some other governing bodies.
Shawn, I appreciated your call and conversation.
As I said, I was not left with many options from the FRC leadership to contact the members via other means. If anyone wants off this list, you can do or ask me. I know we had some people with forwarded addresses and I needed headers to reconcile those. I've removed most within hours of asking.
Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it.. according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information was never publicly released and was obtained by other means.
This contradicts the information I've been given regarding how it was obtained. I've been told it was on a public website. I believe Mr. Fletcher is trying to deflect blame onto others.
As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list itself.
It's my hope the signal to noise ratio improves over time, and that seams to be the case.
The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just disturbs me further.
Others are mirroring it and providing access to the listings now that the FRC website has removed them.
Further all FRC me
_______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info
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Both were removed within minutes of asking as well. Gtg, taking off out of EVV. 73s Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2016, at 08:56, David Krauss <nx4y@verizon.net> wrote:
it's not hard to unsubscribe. just click the link at the bottom of any of the emails and put your address in where it says unsubscribe, and unsubscribe. not rocket science.
Sent from an iPhone 6
On Oct 12, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Frank Pliska <frankpliska@comcast.net> wrote:
I have also submitted a request to be removed from the FRC email list 3 weeks ago
Frank Pliska III N4PAO RF Systems Engineer MOTOROLA FrankPliska@Comcast.net
On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Richard J Reuther <rjreuther@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Please... I beg of you, remove me from this list!
Rick Reuther KC2HFL Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:53, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 10/10/16 5:46 PM, kg4ugk wrote:
We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air.
I always encourage people to voice their viewpoint, in person, on air, or in email. I also say the great thing about radio is if you don't want to listen to some one talk, change the channel. I've had to do this a few times over the years.
While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and some other governing bodies.
Shawn, I appreciated your call and conversation.
As I said, I was not left with many options from the FRC leadership to contact the members via other means. If anyone wants off this list, you can do or ask me. I know we had some people with forwarded addresses and I needed headers to reconcile those. I've removed most within hours of asking.
Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it.. according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information was never publicly released and was obtained by other means.
This contradicts the information I've been given regarding how it was obtained. I've been told it was on a public website. I believe Mr. Fletcher is trying to deflect blame onto others.
As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list itself.
It's my hope the signal to noise ratio improves over time, and that seams to be the case.
The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just disturbs me further.
Others are mirroring it and providing access to the listings now that the FRC website has removed them.
Further all FRC me
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HEADS-UP! At the end of the day, NO repeater coordination body anywhere in any State or Nation has any Federal or State Legislative authority to coordinate anything - HELLO !!! It's a voluntary organization that some allegedly make a living off. Try and get their financials. Good Luck! Anyone can start a repeater coordination body. HELLO! The FRC is like a bunch of volunteer referees arguing over non existent authority. As to the ARRL, it's a business people. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2016 10:55 am Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information On 10/10/16 5:46 PM, kg4ugk wrote:> > We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are > governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we > conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air.I always encourage people to voice their viewpoint, in person, on air, or inemail. I also say the great thing about radio is if you don't want to listento some one talk, change the channel. I've had to do this a few times overthe years.> While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually> took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as> have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and> some other governing bodies.Shawn, I appreciated your call and conversation.As I said, I was not left with many options from the FRC leadership to contactthe members via other means. If anyone wants off this list, you can do or askme. I know we had some people with forwarded addresses and I needed headersto reconcile those. I've removed most within hours of asking.> Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it..> according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in> the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is> http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information> was never publicly released and was obtained by other means.This contradicts the information I've been given regarding how it wasobtained. I've been told it was on a public website. I believe Mr. Fletcheris trying to deflect blame onto others.> As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been> intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom> I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from> the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list> itself.It's my hope the signal to noise ratio improves over time, and that seams tobe the case.> The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just> disturbs me further.Others are mirroring it and providing access to the listings now that the FRCwebsite has removed them.Further all FRC members have had a right to this information FS617.What information is really private here?I can say my email address and phone number is on every FCC application andlicense I've worked with professionally, why should amateur radio be specialin this regard? Keeping things secret has enabled the situation we have now.If you want to keep your repeater a secret, it's best to not give theinformation out in the first place, IMO.See you in Melbourne,-- Bryan Fields727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net_______________________________________________FRC-Inf... mailing listFRC-Info@lists.keekles.orghttp://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info
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