[App_rpt-users] Question

Thu Sep 9 17:57:19 UTC 2010

Well if we're REALLY going to commit this concept to ink (or paint rather)
I think its time to publicly make the story behind the 'FOB'  known so that 
this horrible misinformation can perhaps stop being propagated.

I named these things 'FROBS' *NOT* 'FOBS'. See http://catb.org/jargon/html/F/frob.html
for further explanation. Someone, I think Steve WA6ZFT either misinterpreted the name
or perhaps it was just a type-o, but in any case the 'FOB' thing just got to be what everyone
called them. If youre going to put it on a shirt, at least call it the correct name. 
Besides, 'FROB' will generate even more questions and strange looks then 'FOB'
would anyway, and if you see someone giving you a smug grin (and they appear to
be at least 50 years old), you should probably strongly encourage them to join
you singing a bar or 2 of 'Alice's PDP-10' (see http://www.hactrn.net/sra/alice).

"You can hack anything you want, with TECO and DDT"....

JIM WB6NIL

> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:12:53 -0400
> From: steve at michiganbroadband.com
> To: buddy at brannan.name
> CC: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Question
> 
> Humor: http://stuff.michiganbroadband.com/fobtee.jpg
> If you'd like a nonproductive 20 second diversion.
> I just might hve one made.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> > Yeah, kudos to the Steves, Jims, and other really helpful people. Were it
> > not for W9SH's help I would have been a lot longer in getting up and
> > running with my node. Also thanks to N4IRS and K1LNX, I got to play with
> > my node under Debian and change my Echolink announcements from phonetic to
> > not phonetic callsigns. And all manner of things. Next project: I want to
> > get an HF remote base running, except that my HF rig is an Elecraft
> > K2/100. Seems to me it should be easy enough to send commands to it, as
> > it's just ascii text over serial, but would need some direction as to what
> > to modifry (break?) to make it work. Also, anyone wanna help me with
> > either a CM108-based fob or URI cable to connect the K2? I'm all thumbs.
> > --
> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Bob Brown - WØNQX wrote:
> >
> >> sorry to have opened this can of worms marshall, nothing personal taken
> >> here.
> >>
> >> yes ,the DMK device, is a quality device and we have used a few of them
> >> with great results, so for quality and consistency by all means use the
> >> DMK device!
> >>
> >> but some of our systems are done on a "beer buget" and have been for a
> >> great long time and they work quite well,  last long time.
> >>
> >> so we want to add the App_rpt function to these systems and want to do
> >> it on the low cost side. so we use the cm108 based fob.
> >>
> >> we started out with these devices, learned a lot with these devices and
> >> still wish to use these devices, because of cost savings. ( we dont have
> >> a dues paying membership in our organization, we do it for the fun of
> >> ham radio!)
> >>
> >> yes maybe we could have bought a couple of DMKs verses the many  10+
> >> fobs i have bought. but hey if they all were cm108 based them i would
> >> have many usable devices to play with. some were not cm 108 based, some
> >> were. so i gambled with my $$,  win some loose some. no big deal.
> >>
> >> if i knew a bit more on how to make the non standard fobs play with the
> >> app_rpt program i would be experimenting with it, but i do not have
> >> those skills yet.
> >>
> >> would some one like to share on how they got the cm108 device to work
> >> i would entertain on being shown a how to if possible or a link to where
> >> i can study up on this.
> >> as i have a few knock off samples to test and play with.
> >> i just cannot believe they cannot be made to work the same way as
> >> the cm108 device.
> >>
> >> yes it takes time to compile and test the devices and time i have, in
> >> fact several of us here in the kc metro area have time and facilities to
> >> test with .  just tell us how it was done...and we can/will start
> >> playing....  to come up with a solution.
> >> or if jim wants we can ship him the devices we have and he can tell us
> >> if it is possible to change the code for these units.
> >>
> >> i like the fact all i need is PTT, discrimiator and tx audio to make a
> >> system work . i could careless about COS/TOS from the radio. this makes
> >> an interface real EZ! and the software makes the controller.
> >>
> >> i am not a programmer but i have learned a lot from the elmers on this
> >> list
> >> these folks in particular:
> >> w9sh
> >> n4irs
> >> wb6nil
> >> kd8b
> >> wa6zft
> >> and many others.
> >>
> >> to those i give many thanks for the help & enlightenment.....
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks in Advance
> >>
> >>    Bob Brown, WØNQX
> >>
> >>    Kansas City Metro Area
> >>
> >> Its not how many watts you have,
> >> its the SIZE of your watts that matter! -- Johnny Marshall, W0JM-SK
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 09:34, Marshall Dias <w0otm at w0otm.com> wrote:
> >> This is MY opinion and may not be the opinion of the AllStar Team.
> >>
> >> What is the obsession with these FOBs?  This community has a great
> >> source of quality interfaces, and there is NO reason not to utilize
> >> them.  DMK doesn't HAVE to provide the URI, but thankfully they do.  For
> >> all you who have bought knockoff FOBs with the hopes of them being a
> >> CM108, how much money have you wasted? If you are too cheap to buy a
> >> URI, go run an EchoStink node!
> >>
> >> ok, im off my soapbox, thanks
> >>
> >> md
> >>
> >>
> >> From: "Bob Brown - WØNQX" <bbrown at byrg.net>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:27 AM
> >> To: "Jim Duuuude" <telesistant at hotmail.com>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Question
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> If you would like samples of some of the ones i have obtained,
> >> thinking they were cm-108 based and they were not.....:(
> >>
> >> i can send you a few for testing & evauation.
> >>
> >> if it would make the fobs ezer to add since there seems to be a glut of
> >> the "clones" out there.
> >> i have bought so many of these from the C.H.Ina co via the usual
> >> hong-knog souces.
> >>
> >> i have a few so a wide and varried sample for testing is not a problem
> >> they are just cluttering up the desk...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks in Advance
> >>
> >>    Bob Brown, WØNQX
> >>
> >>    Kansas City Metro Area
> >>
> >>    http://sm0kenet.net
> >>
> >>    http://byrg.net
> >>
> >>    http://kcm-108dstar.byrg.net
> >>
> >> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
> >>
> >> Its not how many watts you have,
> >> its the SIZE of your watts that matter! -- Johnny Marshall, W0JM-SK
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 09:35, Jim Duuuude <telesistant at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> The CM-108 and its fully compatible cousins (all from C-Media) are still
> >> very much
> >> in production and available as far as the actual IC goes. As far as
> >> pre-made USB soundcards
> >> that use these IC's go, yes it is seemingly more difficult to find such
> >> things. The CM-108
> >> was selected, because, at the time, it was by far the most common IC
> >> found in such devices
> >> and was of EXTREMELY high quality, reliability, and consistency (not to
> >> mention VERY good
> >> value!).
> >>
> >> Nowadays, is there once again, a generalized consensus focused upon some
> >> new, different,
> >> IC, or are all the available (and inexpensive) USB sound cards pretty
> >> much just random??
> >> I haven't, nor have I had time to even look lately. If there is, perhaps
> >> it would be worthwhile
> >> to see if whatever this device is meets the requirements for this
> >> application.
> >>
> >> If there is something worth checking out, I am not adverse to doing so.
> >>
> >> JIM WB6NIL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:35:01 -0400
> >>
> >> > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Question
> >> > From: steve at michiganbroadband.com
> >> > To: telesistant at hotmail.com
> >> > CC: n3fe at repeater.net; app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Noted! & I know you are speaking from experience and trying to warn
> >> > others as they will end up wasting lots of time.
> >> >
> >> > Just curious if there are any plans for future support of other tested
> >> > & approved sound devices eventually?
> >> >
> >> > Or do you think the CM108 will be available for years to come?
> >> > I'm under the impression they're getting harder & harder to actually
> >> find.
> >> >
> >> > Just curious & thanks.
> >> >
> >> > Steve
> >> > N8LBV
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > JUST DONT DO IT!!! There is a reason that we dont support regular
> >> sound
> >> > > cards.
> >> > > THEY DONT WORK WORTH A POO! They sound terrible, and are
> >> inconsistent.
> >> > > Friends dont let friends use internal soundcards to interface to
> >> radio
> >> > > systems.
> >> > >
> >> > > JIM WB6NIL
> >> > >
> >> > > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:08:23 -0400
> >> > > From: n3fe at repeater.net
> >> > > To: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> >> > > Subject: [App_rpt-users] Question
> >> > >
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> >> > > I have been having a heck of a time trying to find a fob with a
> >> > > cm108 chip in it. I have 5 fobs here all from different suppliers
> >> and
> >> > > none of
> >> > > them have the right chip even though they were listed as a cm108.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I had seen a alsaradio channel driver and tried that but it
> >> > > errors our asterisk with a 127 error. Is there anything out there so
> >> that
> >> > > we
> >> > > can use serial/soundcard interfacing instead of a fob or the
> >> expensive
> >> > > quad
> >> > > card?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Corey N3FE
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> >
> >> > Michigan Broadband Systems Inc.
> >> > "Always Connected"
> >> >
> >> > (734)527-7150
> >> >
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> Michigan Broadband Systems Inc.
> "Always Connected"
> 
> (734)527-7150
> 
> Steve's cellphone: (734)904-1811
> 
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