[App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet
Steve Zingman
szingman at msgstor.com
Mon Apr 17 15:31:19 UTC 2017
Let's slow it down a little. As of right now, a review of the existing
java code is happening. We will see if and where it goes from there.
Steve
On 4/17/2017 11:24 AM, Loren Tedford wrote:
> If any of you have teamspeak and would like to just chit chat on this
> topic with me feel free teamspeak ip to my private server is:
> kc9zhv.com:9936 <http://kc9zhv.com:9936> Their is no password i am in
> the welcome room.
>
> I actually see several use cases for allowing a user to utilize this..
>
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Doug Kingston <dpk at randomnotes.org
> <mailto:dpk at randomnotes.org>> wrote:
>
> I see 2 significant use cases:
>
> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node
> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node
> and there is no account/password that the user knows that they can
> use to log in. Today in the Java applet, my understanding is,
> they authenticate to the Allstar central server with their Allstar
> username/password and the Java traffic is proxies through that
> central site is some way and on to the public node. Its possible
> the central node provides credentials to the java applet and it
> connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively.
>
> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node
> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes
> where people want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive
> credentials from the node operator before using the node.
>
> I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need
> some form of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from
> accessing Allstar nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be
> nice to take the central node out of the normal path except for
> the authentication process.
>
> -Doug-, KD7DK
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Loren Tedford
> <lorentedford at gmail.com <mailto:lorentedford at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Interesting so all it is is IAX traffic between the webpage
> and asterisk?? How does it verify the pass code etc?? I take
> it their must be a main frame asterisk node setup some where
> that handles this iax traffic.. I didn't realize this!! I
> agree a application for the platforms would be nice like
> windows phone and android along with iphone.. I still don't
> understand why people use iphones but thats my personal
> preference i guess.. Anyway how hard would it be to take the
> iaxrpt that you created and port it to iphone?? How hard would
> it be to take the iaxrpt and make it connect just like the
> transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be some thing to
> think about for future development but i still think we should
> have a pc based way to communicate like a web browser based
> client.. You just never know how that might come in handy some
> day when handling large amounts of traffic..
>
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman
> <szingman at msgstor.com <mailto:szingman at msgstor.com>> wrote:
>
> Loren,
> You missed my comment about one size fits all. A app
> written for a mobile device will take advantage of options
> not available to a web interface. It is far better to use
> a app written for the platform. For the web platform HTML5
> may be a good choice. The Web Transceiver talks to the ASL
> network via IAX.
>
> 73, Steve N4IRS
>
> On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren Tedford wrote:
>> Steve I still like the idea that we are at least talking
>> about fixing the Web Transceiver if i knew a little more
>> about it maybe we could figure out how to make the web
>> transceiver work in html mostly instead of java.. If this
>> can be done this will mean its comparable via any mobile
>> web browser out on the market today.. All the user would
>> have to do is login to the website etc.. So exactly how
>> does the web transceiver talk to the allstarlink
>> network??? What exactly is going on in the back end of
>> things??
>>
>> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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>> Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <tel:%28618%29%20551-2755>
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>> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com <mailto:KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com>
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>> http://www.kc9zhv.com <http://www.kc9zhv.com/>
>> http://forum.kc9zhv.com <http://forum.kc9zhv.com/>
>> http://hub.kc9zhv.com <http://hub.kc9zhv.com/>
>> http://Ltcraft.net<http://ltcraft.net/>
>> http://voipham.com
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman
>> <szingman at msgstor.com <mailto:szingman at msgstor.com>> wrote:
>>
>> As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked
>> at to evaluate if and how it can be moved forward. A
>> one size fits all solution will not adequately work
>> on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a
>> must. As of right now for access to specific nodes
>> the choices are Zopier and Android IAXRPT. Zopier
>> runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course
>> runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes.
>> The Web Transceiver is more general.
>>
>> 73, Steve N4IRS
>>
>> On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
>>> Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry
>>> Pi, but look at what Hams have done with it, in its
>>> various forms. AllStar nodes, whether DIAL or the
>>> distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode Digital
>>> Voice nodes using various interface devices like the
>>> MMDVM or DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. Echolink/IRLP nodes.
>>> If we really want to get the attention of teens and
>>> twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our
>>> tactics to the way they live; how often do you see
>>> one without a smartphone somewhere on their person?
>>> Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered too)
>>> that supports the features of the current Web
>>> Transceiver and you'll have a tool that everyone can
>>> use and still have the browser free for other things.
>>>
>>> Matthew Pitts
>>> N8OHU
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please
>>> excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>> On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman
>>> <n7jct at aplaceonthe.net>
>>> <mailto:n7jct at aplaceonthe.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug
>>> would have little or no need for the web
>>> transceiver. Most of us on this list won't have
>>> use for it. Anyone who's come so far as to
>>> building their own node and subscribing to this
>>> list has likely exceeded what that web
>>> transceiver could do for them.
>>>
>>> Consider however that there is a different
>>> market, a different audience for a web
>>> transceiver. I know that I'm not the only one
>>> who got involved in this through exploration
>>> with the web transceiver.
>>>
>>> So I think there is benefit in having such a
>>> simple tool. It can be, if it works well and is
>>> designed properly, a great tool for someone to
>>> take that first step in finding out what all
>>> this is about.
>>>
>>> Consider the target audience of the Raspberry
>>> Pi. Getting kids into programming and using
>>> these devices to do things, control things and
>>> such. Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the
>>> attention of that same audience. App_rpt and
>>> Allstarlink are great for that. But this
>>> audience doesn't come to us with anything more
>>> than a very basic, novice background at first.
>>> A web transceiver seems like a handy tool for
>>> those new young hams to explore.
>>>
>>> There's my long winded $0.02
>>> 73
>>> Thor (N7JCT)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Subject:
>>>> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to
>>>> WebTransceiver java applet
>>>> From:
>>>> Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:wa3dsp at gmail.com>
>>>> Date:
>>>> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM
>>>>
>>>> To:
>>>> Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>> <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you must have the web transceiver there are
>>>> ways around the problem
>>>
>>>
>>>
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