[App_rpt-users] Politics

Tue Sep 18 15:42:53 UTC 2018

Loren,

Hamvoip.com not voipham.com. Didn't know about voipham.com. If I transposed
the URL in one of my emails, my apologies.

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:06 AM Loren Tedford <loren at lorentedford.com>
wrote:

> I have been seeing some of theses posts.. But what the heck is going
> on????????????
>
>
> Is this over the whole deal where i am degrading the product or what ever
> because of my purchase of voipham.com? I created it originally to be a
> tutorial kinda page for those of us that had trouble installing allstar
> link back in the day.. Yeah i know its about 5 or 6 years old now and i
> haven't done much with it since my accident in October of 2014 and sorry
> about that.. Also Tim I am looking at digging a bit further into allmon
> will update things eventually but was looking at making it more mobile
> compliant that sort of thing and possibly locking it down with like an
> admin page using MySQL database or some thing.. Just haven't gotten around
> to having Mark to help me with some of that since i have forgotten just
> about all of it now.
>
>
> Anyway still trying to figure out exactly what i missed that started this
> whole political incorrectness or what ever..
>
>
> Thank You all involved :) Keep up the good work!
>
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/18/2018 9:11 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
>
> Supermon is based on my Allmon 2 software
> https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 which I give freely to anyone who
> wants it with no restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port
> Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their total disregard
> for fairness.
>
> But it's more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon the
> knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP took
> Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours of development by
> countless people and closed it, ending the path to the next level of
> knowledge. Think about where we'd be if no one shared their knowledge. "We
> stand on the shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be
> standing on HamVoIP's shoulders.
>
> HamVoIP (David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon 2.  A
> whole lot more of that should be happening.
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status on that list after asking
>> for the source code.. I was even kicked out after I publicly told them I
>> would use there packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as
>> I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon, wich I dont
>> remember the name.
>>
>>
>>
>> Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the
>>> lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but
>>> still.
>>>
>>> As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop at yahoogroups? I skim
>>> there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will
>>> try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a
>>> microcosm of society in general; were it not so.
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1 at gmail.com> <k7ilo1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded
>>> me of how I had known about them.
>>> They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post
>>> with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides
>>> the point.
>>> The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward
>>> the asterisk group.
>>> I never pursued their website or anything else about them since.
>>>
>>> It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way.  I left the magnetic
>>> loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said.
>>> It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s
>>> when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out
>>> of em.
>>> Which I took personal because Im one of them.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how
>>> ham groups bash the other.  What has OUR HOBBY come to?
>>>
>>> Harold
>>> K7ILO
>>> Las Vegas, NV.
>>> Node 27863
>>>
>>> *From:* App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Tim Sawyer
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM
>>> *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> *Subject:* [App_rpt-users] Politics
>>>
>>>
>>> There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals
>>> in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is
>>> up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the
>>> August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
>>>
>>> I really don't want to wade into this political BS. I should be coding
>>> not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the
>>> scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak
>>> publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false
>>> statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular
>>> post at this time.
>>>
>>> First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason
>>> AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario.
>>>
>>> Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around
>>> the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
>>>
>>> Third, HamVoIP principals continually imply that AllStar was
>>> unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as
>>> officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends
>>> and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board
>>> members and made arrangements for what you see today.
>>>
>>> Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go
>>> perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only
>>> attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about
>>> anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we
>>> have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
>>>
>>> The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up
>>> some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say
>>> enough of that crap! If you want to build a better mouse trap you are
>>> welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of
>>> others who have nothing but good intentions.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim WD6AWP
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Tim WD6AWP
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